[Glenn.]

What pisses me off with these attacks in the U.K is that mostly they are known to authorities, whether on terrorism or similar cases. Why aren't things done about that? Is it a 'Let's see how many people they kill before we do anything'

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Well yes they were lying in their south London accents. You think the government drove them to slaughter an innocent man and stand there with blood on their hands? You think there is some excuse or justification for that?

Did I say there was? All I did was point out there is a direct quote from a terrorist citing govt policy as a driving force for his actions.

[James]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's not about "blame", it's about recognizing the destructive cycle that feeds terrorism so that we might actually have a chance of making real changes that will make real differences. It's not "blaming ourselves" to try to see the objective mechanism that leads to extremism. It is the only practical solution and, conversely, it is getting defensive and refusing to look at the whole situation from other angles that distracts from that.

People are more concerned with "being outraged" - which is completely and utterly futile - than they are with finding real solutions that might actually lead to a safer future and save lives.

There's probably better words I could have used than 'blaming ourselves' but I can't think of them. It's a certain type of politics that gets held responsible here. Again it is all about our own politics, and the Middle East only usually gets reported if there is a Western angle to the story, so it can be easy to ignore in a kind of "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil."

One aspect of the Middle East that hasn't been mentioned in the cycle of destabalisation is the number of dictatorships that rule these countries, and the often-eventual internal reaction.

[Wizard.]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

What pisses me off with these attacks in the U.K is that mostly they are known to authorities, whether on terrorism or similar cases. Why aren't things done about that? Is it a 'Let's see how many people they kill before we do anything'

I heard it can take 24 people to surveillance a suspect 24/7 but I don't care how much it costs security is paramount!

[Glenn.]

According to a newspaper article I just see on sky news, there are 3000 jihadis walking the streets of Britain. How? Why!?

[Greg!]

What I don't understand is how can someone who is a jihadi and on a watchlist, be able to purchase materials to make a bomb and not get caught?

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by the truth

no one here or anywhere else is scapegoating an entire religion, apart from the jihadis mass murdering terrorists. I suggest you vent your criticism at them and those who arm and inspire them

Where in my post did I allege that anyone here was scapegoating an entire religion? I was making a general point that didn't pertain to any particular person.

And I have vented my criticism at those who arm them. See post #14.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by jaxie

To begin with I think we have to look towards religious schools. If you allow children to be segregated at school and they are segregated into religious communities at home which often happens. How do they come to know children who aren't of their religion and make friends? For any multi cultural society to work there has to be integration rather than segregation.

Also language make sure that everyone in the family can speak the language of the country they are living in. For their own sake and so that they can communicate with others and are not isolated.

Stronger reaction where extremist tendencies are flagged, including looking at family and what they are teaching their young people. More focus on the equality of women and girls through social work and counselling.

Well said!

[Greg!]

I agree with Jaxie, all religious schools need to be abolished.

[Glenn.]

By the sounds of it he was able to flit to and from Libya. Again why?

[Wizard.]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

By the sounds of it he was able to flit to and from Libya. Again why?

Anyone travelling to Turkey or any of these countries should have a full background check cause it's obvious they are going to Syria but sadly it's too late and there are hundreds of trained Jihad living amongst us ready to attack.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

According to a newspaper article I just see on sky news, there are 3000 jihadis walking the streets of Britain. How? Why!?

According to some news reports another 10,000 by the time we have taken in our quota or refugees. That figure will only ever increase.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Adam.

The bible teaches that it is ok to murder people

nope it doesnt, different chapters different characters throughout. Youre judging all the same and generalizing , exactly what you preach other people shouldnt do?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

By the sounds of it he was able to flit to and from Libya. Again why?

and why is no one asking why?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Adam.

The bible teaches that it is ok to murder people

Stop spreading these silly statements as though they're facts.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by the truth

nope it doesnt, different chapters different characters throughout. Youre judging all the same and generalizing , exactly what you preach other people shouldnt do?

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Stop spreading these silly statements as though they're facts.

Oh i forgot they didnt kill Jesus that was only in the Hollywood remake

[Glenn.]

I love it when Jesus comes back to life. So realistic

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Adam.

Oh i forgot they didnt kill Jesus that was only in the Hollywood remake

Yeah, look at the Bible glorifying the murder of Jesus and stating it is ok, and readers of this holy book go out and kill.

I suppose EastEnders condones murder for depicting it in their storylines?

You're being absurd.

[Denver]

The bible has rape, Torture and murder throughout

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Adam.

The bible has rape, Torture and murder throughout

Yes and condones and teaches it. Obviously.

Because that's the exact same thing.

[Denver]

So does the Quran

[Marsh.]

Your diatribe would be laughable if it weren't so ill-informed.

[Denver]

You should actually ask a muslim and they will tell you nowhere should you kill innocent people

[Denver]

The killing of innocent non-combatants is forbidden. According to Sunni tradition, ‘Abu Bakr al-Siddiq, the first Caliph, gave these instructions to his armies: “I instruct you in ten matters: Do not kill women, children, the old, or the infirm; do not cut down fruit-bearing trees; do not destroy any town . . . ” (Malik’s Muwatta’, “Kitab al-Jihad.”)

[Marsh.]

Are you just making random statements and hoping they will be relevant to the discussion?

You've gone from claiming religions teach murder, to defending them and providing extracts proving the opposite?