[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Ok, so we have all this information now? or before the atrocity?

If the Didsbury Mosque is a hotbed for IS, why aren't we closing it down?

His older brother had been a tutor of the Koran at that mosque and his parents were Libyan refugees.

[Northern Monkey]

What's even more worrying is that the DP just said there are about 350 Islamic fighters back from IS areas back in the Manchester area who have already been radicalised.That's just fecking scary.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

What's even more worrying is that the DP just said there are about 350 Islamic fighters back from IS areas back in the Manchester area who have already been radicalised.That's just fecking scary.

350, wow that is scaring me big time


i think the best advice for the people now is try and stay safe and be very careful

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

350, wow that is scaring me big time


i think the best advice for the people now is try and stay safe and be very careful

It didn't say this but it's guaranteed that these fighters are under heavy surveillance.I don't think they'll be able to get up to much.

[*mazedsalv**]

You can't.

There's way too many people in this world who does not think in the way most do. Even a tiny minority of 0.01% being evil, that is still a lot of evil.

It's like saying "how do we stop murder?", you can't. It's impossible. You can only slightly decrease it and cut off sources providing the cause, But even if in one time in the foreseeable future, there is a time where no terrorists or murder takes place for a day, the next day will be the same.

We will never have a day in our lives or ever in the future where at least 1 innocent person won't die (natural causes aside).

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

It didn't say this but it's guaranteed that these fighters are under heavy surveillance.I don't think they'll be able to get up to much.

okay, we must be careful anyway but maybe you're right

but what notices me is that some of the ISIS terrorists are all quite young, maybe they were better to be brainwashed by ISIS


i don't which one is worse Al Qaeda or ISIS, i think both are equally bad

[*mazedsalv**]

I watched This Morning and a very fair point was made.

The increase of police will not do much, but I think the fact that army is getting involved and patrolling can make a slight difference. The woman said that these people have faced people like this before. They recognise weird body language, they are aware of behaviour and certain looks of people before they strike etc...

I agree with this. A lot of police haven't dealt with terrorism, but soldiers have.

[Tozzie]

Originally Posted by Adam.

The bible teaches that it is ok to murder people

what bible have you been reading?

[Beso]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

That's right, swing it back to the left. I thought that's where your anger was taking you

Oh give over...you asked my opinuon and you bloody got it...truth hurts.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Tozzie

what bible have you been reading?

They have murder all throughout the bible

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Check out his video on this thread to see him spouting hate..and in answer to your question on why the authorities wernt watching him, well thats simple.

Liberal lefty do gooders spouting human rights and racism claims time and time again have made the government wary. Perhaps the labour government of the 90s and noughties have set a president of looking the other way or sweeping stuff under the carpet for fear of the public backlashes.

Rubbish the Labour govt brought in the PREVENT strategy that focused on vigilance in communities for signs of radicalisation. It was the tories that scaled back funding leading to condemnation before realising they were wrong to do this .

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Rubbish the Labour govt brought in the PREVENT strategy that focused on vigilance in communities for signs of radicalisation. It was the tories that scaled back funding leading to condemnation before realising they were wrong to do this .

Oh come on vigilance in communities - meaning what, that we are reliant on other members of that community to be vigilant and report any concerns - bit wishy washy don't you think, hardly reliable, preventative policy.

Tories probably thought it a waste of time and money. Where is the evidence they realised they were wrong to do so - it makes little sense.

[jaxie]

They said on Sky News today that the guy who was apparently the suicide bomber came from a family with strong past links to Islamic militance and Al Queda. They had supposedly rejected these connections. Apparently not. That does make it fairly obvious that this kind of action has been nurtured from a set of beliefs within the family surely.

It does make you wonder why this country has been allowing in people with such links.

And all the left and right wing blame and finger pointing on this thread makes me wonder if that's why we're in this mess. Maybe if people worked together more it would help.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Rubbish the Labour govt brought in the PREVENT strategy that focused on vigilance in communities for signs of radicalisation. It was the tories that scaled back funding leading to condemnation before realising they were wrong to do this .

No point in being vigilant in the community if your local labour run council ignores your concerns of rape and grooming..why would they be any different if you were reporting radicalization.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by jaxie

They said on Sky News today that the guy who was apparently the suicide bomber came from a family with strong past links to Islamic militance and Al Queda. They had supposedly rejected these connections. Apparently not. That does make it fairly obvious that this kind of action has been nurtured from a set of beliefs within the family surely.

It does make you wonder why this country has been allowing in people with such links.

And all the left and right wing blame and finger pointing on this thread makes me wonder if that's why we're in this mess. Maybe if people worked together more it would help.

And the parents buggerd off back to Libya in 2011 leaving us with their Jihadist offspring

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Oh come on vigilance in communities - meaning what, that we are reliant on other members of that community to be vigilant and report any concerns - bit wishy washy don't you think, hardly reliable, preventative policy.

Tories probably thought it a waste of time and money. Where is the evidence they realised they were wrong to do so - it makes little sense.

How else are you to prevent radicalisation?...

[Tom4784]

It's not something that can be fought. There isn't really a way to prevent a disturbed person from getting into a car and running people down on the pavement or crafting a bomb from every day items.

You can't fight an ideal.

I agree with the general opinion that we must stop arming the Middle East and cease all military actions there, it won't fix the problem but doing that would prevent escalating it further.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Tozzie

what bible have you been reading?

I'd assume the Old Testament when God's all fire and brimstone rather than hugs and kisses.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

How else are you to prevent radicalisation?...

In the West, the answer is obvious. I certainly don't believe we can simply hope for the best - that simply isn't good enough. The aim of any government should be to protect its citizens - not inflict policies that have the opposite effect.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's not something that can be fought. There isn't really a way to prevent a disturbed person from getting into a car and running people down on the pavement or crafting a bomb from every day items.

You can't fight an ideal.

I agree with the general opinion that we must stop arming the Middle East and cease all military actions there, it won't fix the problem but doing that would prevent escalating it further.

Finally a post I can agree with. Atrocities will happen regardless of who is in Government in my opinion, it will never be completely eradicated. If we stop any military action in the Middle East, whose to say those groups over there who agree with our invention then won't rise up to punish us for deserting them? Maybe if we hadn't got involved in the first place things would be different but hindsight is a wonderful thing. I don't know what the answer is, I don't think it is a question with a possible right answer.

[Mystic Mock]

To prevent ourselves from becoming a target we shouldn't go to their countries and try to force them to change their ways, because then they're coming over to the UK, France, or whatever country you can think of that tries to force them to change their ways and these terrorist groups bomb the **** out of the country because they are getting angry about my point above.

The best thing to do now though would be for May to enter negotiations with ISIS and hope that the same thing happens there as what happened with the IRA.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

How else are you to prevent radicalisation?...

You could start by having police officers present in mosques during opening hours.

You could go undercover as an impressionable stooge.

You could round up anyone preaching hate...you could get socual services more involved in the homes of kids showing signs of it at school....admittedly a lot of this would need the help of some vigilant members of the muslim communities so probably would fall flat on its face at the first hurdle.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Finally a post I can agree with. Atrocities will happen regardless of who is in Government in my opinion, it will never be completely eradicated. If we stop any military action in the Middle East, whose to say those groups over there who agree with our invention then won't rise up to punish us for deserting them? Maybe if we hadn't got involved in the first place things would be different but hindsight is a wonderful thing. I don't know what the answer is, I don't think it is a question with a possible right answer.

If memory serves me well weren't those groups being targeted and terrorised but other groups and called for assistance from the West. If so, should we have abandoned them and left them at the mercy of the others.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

To prevent ourselves from becoming a target we shouldn't go to their countries and try to force them to change their ways, because then they're coming over to the UK, France, or whatever country you can think of that tries to force them to change their ways and these terrorist groups bomb the **** out of the country because they are getting angry about my point above.

The best thing to do now though would be for May to enter negotiations with ISIS and hope that the same thing happens there as what happened with the IRA.

Sorry Mock but the irony of that bolded part.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Sorry Mock but the irony of that bolded part.

But they shouldn't be trying to change our ways either.

The best outcome would be for both sides to accept that we're very different culturally and somehow come to a compromise.

I've got to be honest though if I was in a room with one of these ISIS members I would be really tempted to kill them, but I always like to go with what's best for the people and the country, and carrying on the fight is just gonna breed more hatred from ISIS to attack us more.