[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Cherie

do you get them free? I dont

so in your opinion owning your own home and 90K in the bank is a wealthy pensioner

what income will you get from living in your own home, nada unless you rent out a room, but there will be repair bills over the years, boiler breakdown, boiler service, roof repairs insurance etc

90k in the bank on a generous 1 per cent would give your an income of 900.00 a year on top of your state pension, you would get no where near 1 per cent these days, most of it would be on 0.25 per cent.

90k would soon dwindle away if you were drawing on it to subsidise your state pension, if you drew out 6,000 a year, giving you an extra 500 a month or 125 a week it would be gone in 15 years....happy old age!!!

Indeed.
Not forgetting you have no right to dole or claiming a care allowance either if you come out of work and have a little in the bank, so you have to use any savings you have. Sort of diminishes any feeling of wanting to save all your life for a decent old age.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Thats when they should get extra money. Once its all spent.

so you want Doris at 80 odd to start claiming for stuff she never got before you seriously are a proper Tory what will actually happen is no one will tell Doris that she is entitled to anything and she will try and live on a pittance ..while the people who didn't buy their own home, didn't save will have applied for everything as soon as they hit 67 and will have half a decent life

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Indeed.
Not forgetting you have no right to dole or claiming a care allowance either if you come out of work and have a little in the bank, so you have to use any savings you have. Sort of diminishes any feeling of wanting to save all your life for a decent old age.

thats kind of my point, May bangs on about helping "hard working people" when the reality is the harder you work, the more you save the bigger the mug you are.... thats how it seems to be now anyway.

[Cherie]

so the hastily rethought cap won't be known until after the election oh dear dear

[DemolitionRed]

Dementia Tax Turn http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7749001.html

If you make being consistent your USP and then backtrack as consistently as the current crop of Tories have you set yourself up to fail

[DemolitionRed]

I am surprised by much of what is going on with the Tories. Why have they brought up fox hunting. It's highly unpopular amongst most voters, as is their backtracking on the domestic ivory trade. The UK is famously a nation of animal lovers. People like foxes and elephants. Why risk pissing their voters off over something like this?

It also shows they've just thrown this manifesto together out of odd ideas written on the back of a napkin

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Cherie

so you want Doris at 80 odd to start claiming for stuff she never got before you seriously are a proper Tory what will actually happen is no one will tell Doris that she is entitled to anything and she will try and live on a pittance ..while the people who didn't buy their own home, didn't save will have applied for everything as soon as they hit 67 and will have half a decent life

Im not a tory but i do believe they are the only party capable of running GB.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I am surprised by much of what is going on with the Tories. Why have they brought up fox hunting. It's highly unpopular amongst most voters, as is their backtracking on the domestic ivory trade. The UK is famously a nation of animal lovers. People like foxes and elephants. Why risk pissing their voters off over something like this?

It also shows they've just thrown this manifesto together out of odd ideas written on the back of a napkin

This is what I cant get my head around,it's like she really doesn't want to win and pass the weight of government onto someone else,I think it's political suicide myself,I do ask WHY?

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

This is what I cant get my head around,it's like she really doesn't want to win and pass the weight of government onto someone else,I think it's political suicide myself,I do ask WHY?

Its either that or its arrogance. I think its the former.

The Conservative government, including May, believe that leaving the EU is political suicide but now Mays left facing what she probably considers an impossible mandate and she doesn't want to take responsibility for collapsing the whole country.

People have been rendered speechless by her manifesto and she keeps gleefully reminding us that she only needs to lose six more seats!

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

This is what I cant get my head around,it's like she really doesn't want to win and pass the weight of government onto someone else,I think it's political suicide myself,I do ask WHY?

I think it's more arrogance that she knows she guaranteed the win and is pushing through as much as she can.
If this was a close thing she wouldn't dream of adding fox hunting to the agenda.It's certainly not a vote winner.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

I think it's more arrogance that she knows she guaranteed the win and is pushing through as much as she can.
If this was a close thing she wouldn't dream of adding fox hunting to the agenda.It's certainly not a vote winner.

If its arrogance, the Tories already believe they exist in a one party state.

Forcing the elderly sick to pay equity to the government (instead of passing on to next of kin)
Increases to interest rates on student loans,
Refusal to increase the minimum wage,
Reductions to corporation tax,
Cuts to the NHS (won’t rule out privatisation)
An entirely volunteered repeat-vote on fox-hunting, openly supporting the hugely unpopular blood-sport
Re-legalising the immoral ivory trade
Restrictions to what British citizens can see on the internet, introducing North Korea-style censorship and state propaganda
http://evolvepolitics.com/theresa-ma...mething-weird/

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

If its arrogance, the Tories already believe they exist in a one party state.

Forcing the elderly sick to pay equity to the government (instead of passing on to next of kin)
Increases to interest rates on student loans,
Refusal to increase the minimum wage,
Reductions to corporation tax,
Cuts to the NHS (won’t rule out privatisation)
An entirely volunteered repeat-vote on fox-hunting, openly supporting the hugely unpopular blood-sport
Re-legalising the immoral ivory trade
Restrictions to what British citizens can see on the internet, introducing North Korea-style censorship and state propaganda
http://evolvepolitics.com/theresa-ma...mething-weird/

Yeah I recognise this.It's even triggered me to vote Corbyn ffs

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Yeah I recognise this.It's even triggered me to vote Corbyn ffs

Well I've seen you as a bit of a fence sitter for a while now and nothing wrong with that. You get a better view from up there don't you?!?

I'm just glad you've seen the light

[Kizzy]

I wonder what these targetted ads look like on FB.... It's unbelievable they can get away with not disclosing the content of them, they could be saying all kinds of half truths and untruths... :/

If you have received one anybody screen shot it for me

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Well I've seen you as a bit of a fence sitter for a while now and nothing wrong with that. You get a better view from up there don't you?!?

I'm just glad you've seen the light

Not fence sitting.I have strong opinions on most issues.Strong anti Corbyn opinions and anti Tory.I struggle for a political home.I have right and left wing views on different issues and there isn't a party who represents me.
I have to walk into that polling station with a peg on my nose when i cast that Labour vote.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Not fence sitting.I have strong opinions on most issues.Strong anti Corbyn opinions and anti Tory.I struggle for a political home.I have right and left wing views on different issues and there isn't a party who represents me.
I have to walk into that polling station with a peg on my nose when i cast that Labour vote.

I feel the same, no political party represents me fully or even partially

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I feel the same, no political party represents me fully or even partially

Why can't we just have a sensible Labour party?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Why can't we just have a sensible Labour party?

Hush your mouth!

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Im not a tory but i do believe they are the only party capable of running GB.

Oh because they've done such a great job at running it these past 8 years haven't they?

In my lifetime Labour ran the country much better, no ISIS, no NHS being chopped down to such an extent that the NHS is being sold off left, right, and centre, no talk about heavily regulating the Internet, and also people themselves financially could afford to buy things and were generally alot happier than they are under the Tories, and also the Media weren't so biased towards Labour like they are with the Tories, you can't actually say a bad word about the Tories in the Media it feels like.

The Cameron/May vision of the Tories has been terrible and have proven to me that being pro rich over anything else isn't good for the country as it's just breeding more and more negativity.

[Brillopad]

Labour did a pretty good job of running us into the ground which is why no one voted for them. People have short memories.

[reece(:]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Labour did a pretty good job of running us into the ground which is why no one voted for them. People have short memories.

We weren't even as bad off then as we are now

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by reece(:

We weren't even as bad off then as we are now

I think there are many different reasons for that. Don't get me wrong the Tories are far from perfect, but I don't see Labour as our rescuers I'm afraid.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Oh because they've done such a great job at running it these past 8 years haven't they?

In my lifetime Labour ran the country much better, no ISIS, no NHS being chopped down to such an extent that the NHS is being sold off left, right, and centre, no talk about heavily regulating the Internet, and also people themselves financially could afford to buy things and were generally alot happier than they are under the Tories, and also the Media weren't so biased towards Labour like they are with the Tories, you can't actually say a bad word about the Tories in the Media it feels like.

The Cameron/May vision of the Tories has been terrible and have proven to me that being pro rich over anything else isn't good for the country as it's just breeding more and more negativity.

Just want to point out that tony blairs lies and actions against iraq and sadam had probably aided isis's rise.


You also mention internet regulations.

Quick question. Are you content with the exploitation of children on the likes of facebook and secret chat rooms?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Oh because they've done such a great job at running it these past 8 years haven't they?

In my lifetime Labour ran the country much better, no ISIS, no NHS being chopped down to such an extent that the NHS is being sold off left, right, and centre, no talk about heavily regulating the Internet, and also people themselves financially could afford to buy things and were generally alot happier than they are under the Tories, and also the Media weren't so biased towards Labour like they are with the Tories, you can't actually say a bad word about the Tories in the Media it feels like.

The Cameron/May vision of the Tories has been terrible and have proven to me that being pro rich over anything else isn't good for the country as it's just breeding more and more negativity.

One of your very best posts Mock.
Clearly you have taken notice these last 7 years and come to just about the same conclusions as myself.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Labour did a pretty good job of running us into the ground which is why no one voted for them. People have short memories.

People aren't voting for Labour because Labour aren't telling people that the EU is "bad" that all Muslims are "bad" and any other popularist opinions that people want Labour to think but aren't because they know that those ideas don't work.

Labour aren't the best option for me, but they're damnsight better than the current Government who's whole aim is to make people feel frightened, miserable, and hateful, that's not a party that's running the country well, in fact it's a sign of a very incompetent party that doesn't know how to run a country.