[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Have you never ever forgotten something when asked on the spur of the moment.
I certainly have.

He didn't know it you say,the near whole Con manifesto is filled with policies they don't know the real costs of,however I think the Cons know most of them but dare not reveal them for the chaos they know their plans will bring to those who will be affected by them.
This set of Cons being devious,deceitful liars very adept at doing so and conning voters too.

I have Joey all the time,but come on it's kinda tit for tat if May did the same as he has ,she is mauled to death,it's just swings and roundabouts.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Jack_

yaaaasss let's silence all opposition! Crush the saboteurs! Kill democracy!

I won't ever be silenced, no matter how many people vote for this disgusting **** of a woman. I'll continue to call them out for their deliberate and systematic underfunding and undermining of the NHS, their ruinous education policies, their abhorrent mistreatment of the disabled, their three-time lies about immigration targets and 'balancing the budget', their perpetuation of the myth of austerity which makes the worst off pay for a crisis they never caused and conversely their tax cuts for the wealthiest, their commitment to allow an already intrusive media to not be properly regulated in return for a proverbial dick sucking by Dacre and the Murdoch press, their piss taking of their core voter base in pensioners, their bare faced lies on worker's rights they don't care about (and can't be defended affordably), their slashing of police numbers despite being warned it would weaken the prevention and responses to a terror attack, their u-turns on manifesto pledges both in office and on the campaign trail, their bloodthirst for foxes, their wilful ignorance of the siphoning off of profits to tax havens by multinational corporations, their massaging of employment figures so they can increase the number of insecure and zero-hour jobs, their utter ****ing lie in attributing the name 'living wage' to a benchmark that isn't the ****ing living wage, and so on and so ****ing forth.

I do not care how many turkeys vote for Christmas, because one day - even if it's in twenty years - I and all of the others who warned what this appalling party would do to our country will be vindicated. At what cost in the meantime? God only knows, but I'm confident when the effects of Tory austerity starts trickling down to the 'I'm alright Jack' members of the electorate, things will change. Such is the omnipresent poison of neoliberal ideology.

Anyway, this was excruciating to watch but like I said when I defended Tories such as the ****ing Chancellor when he thought the cost of HS2 was £2billion less than what it actually is, politicians are human beings and not robots, even if Theresa 'strong and stable' May seems otherwise. And of course, as Joey has already alluded to; Labour cost their manifesto and Corbyn can't recall a specific figure, the Tories cost nothing and refuse to elaborate when pressed for details. The former is berated, the latter nobody cares. Why? Because the Conservative's invisibility cloak strikes again. It makes me ****ing sick.

Jack for PM

[Denver]

What has labour every done for the country except destroy it?

[DemolitionRed]

I've just watched the interview and I have to wonder if Emma Barnett framed that question based on either her own or her audiences ignorance.

I don't mean the 'child care' question but the question that followed when Corbyn couldn't come up with a figure. "is this an indication that voters shouldn't trust Labour with their money?!? WTF... Who's money?

[Brother Leon]

At least he didn't do a "Vote for me and you will see and find out" like his opposition leader.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Adam.

What has labour every done for the country except destroy it?

If you have to ask that question you clearly don't want to know the answer.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

At least he didn't do a "Vote for me and you will see and find out" like his opposition leader.

I like surprises

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I have Joey all the time,but come on it's kinda tit for tat if May did the same as he has ,she is mauled to death,it's just swings and roundabouts.

Well no,because you don't criticise her for her devious way of refusing to inform voters of all costs.
If Labour were concealing all their figures and costings as she has,then I would and have in the past criticised them.
I even did state in my post here I think politicians should know their costings,one error of not knowing figures,when he has already revealed loads in fairness warrants a bit of tolerance.

It's a bit rich for people to hammer him for one failure to give an accurate figure while totally excusing your Mrs May and her team for not giving any at all.
I'm really both shocked and surprised.

I really hope I'd be fairer than that.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Adam.

What has labour every done for the country except destroy it?

Well they did give us the National Health Service. Many, many, many years ago.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Well they did give us the National Health Service. Many, many, many years ago.

One thing they did 70 odd years ago is not good enough though

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Jack for PM

Yeah,I'd vote for Jack_ for sure DR.

[reece(:]

Jezza is human at least and not a malfunctioning robot like Tula.

[reece(:]

Originally Posted by Nathan

Yet Tories openly admit they have 50 uncosted policies and it's fine and they're not pulled up on it? Jeremy cant recall a figure and everyone's up in arms I don't believe in BBC bias but on this occasion I do.

[parmnion]

Just watched this...poor man almost burst into tears.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

But they are telling us the truth,people will doubt Corbyn if he says he IS doing something but cant remember the figures,

BIB, the only time the Tories tell the truth is when it's to punish the working class, the disabled, or the working class disabled.

[parmnion]

Nice to see the labour supporters hurling anti semetic abuse at the reporter for daring to ask such a taxing question.

[DemolitionRed]

Labour-Since being elected in 1997

1. Longest period of sustained low inflation since the 60s.
2. Low mortgage rates.
3. Introduced the National Minimum Wage and raised it to £5.52.
4. Over 14,000 more police in England and Wales.
5. Cut overall crime by 32 per cent.
6. Record levels of literacy and numeracy in schools.
7. Young people achieving some of the best ever results at 14, 16, and 18.
8. Funding for every pupil in England has doubled.
9. Employment is at its highest level ever.
10. Written off up to 100 per cent of debt owed by poorest countries.
11. 85,000 more nurses.
12. 32,000 more doctors.
13. Brought back matrons to hospital wards.
14. Devolved power to the Scottish Parliament.
15. Devolved power to the Welsh Assembly.
16. Dads now get paternity leave of 2 weeks for the first time.
17. NHS Direct offering free convenient patient advice.
18. Gift aid was worth £828 million to charities last year.
19. Restored city-wide government to London.
20. Record number of students in higher education.
21. Child benefit up 26 per cent since 1997.
22. Delivered 2,200 Sure Start Children’s Centres.
23. Introduced the Equality and Human Rights Commission.
24. £200 winter fuel payment to pensioners & up to £300 for over-80s.
25. On course to exceed our Kyoto target for reducing greenhouse gas emissions.
26. Restored devolved government to Northern Ireland.
27. Over 36,000 more teachers in England and 274,000 more support staff and teaching assistants.
28. All full time workers now have a right to 24 days paid holiday.
29. A million pensioners lifted out of poverty.
30. 600,000 children lifted out of relative poverty.
31. Introduced child tax credit giving more money to parents.
32. Scrapped Section 28 and introduced Civil Partnerships.
33. Brought over 1 million social homes up to standard.
34. Inpatient waiting lists down by over half a million since 1997.
35. Banned fox hunting.
36. Cleanest rivers, beaches, drinking water and air since before the industrial revolution.
37. Free TV licences for over-75s.
38. Banned fur farming and the testing of cosmetics on animals.
39. Free breast cancer screening for all women aged between 50-70.
40. Free off peak local bus travel for over-60s.
41. New Deal – helped over 1.8 million people into work.
42. Over 3 million child trust funds have been started.
43. Free eye test for over 60s.
44. More than doubled the number of apprenticeships.
45. Free entry to national museums and galleries.
46. Overseas aid budget more than doubled.
47. Heart disease deaths down by 150,000 and cancer deaths down by 50,000.
48. Cut long-term youth unemployment by 75 per cent.
49. Free nursery places for every three and four-year-olds.
50. Free fruit for most four to six-year-olds at school.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Adam.

What has labour every done for the country except destroy it?

The NHS was working better, less homeless people on the streets, no heat or eat scenarios for the working class, no Bedroom Tax, no negative targeting of the disabled, no possibility of the Dementia Tax on the dying elderly, people generally being alot happier in their lives and other groups of people.

Do I really have to go on?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

BIB, the only time the Tories tell the truth is when it's to punish the working class, the disabled, or the working class disabled.

Absolutely dead right there Mock, anything she intends to do in attacking and humiliating those sick and disabled,even those terminally Ill too.
Then they'll reveal the truth as to their heartless and gutless policies.

I say gutless as they can only attack people,(and even animals actually),who are at their weakest and lowest point,unbelievably getting support to do so as well.

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Labour-Since being elected in 1997

1. Longest period of sustained low inflation since the 60s.
2. Low mortgage rates.
3. Introduced the National Minimum Wage and raised it to £5.52.
4. Over 14,000 more police in England and Wales.
5. Cut overall crime by 32 per cent.
6. Record levels of literacy and numeracy in schools.
7. Young people achieving some of the best ever results at 14, 16, and 18.
8. Funding for every pupil in England has doubled.
9. Employment is at its highest level ever.
10. Written off up to 100 per cent of debt owed by poorest countries.
11. 85,000 more nurses.
12. 32,000 more doctors.
13. Brought back matrons to hospital wards.
14. Devolved power to the Scottish Parliament.
15. Devolved power to the Welsh Assembly.
16. Dads now get paternity leave of 2 weeks for the first time.
17. NHS Direct offering free convenient patient advice.
18. Gift aid was worth £828 million to charities last year.
19. Restored city-wide government to London.
20. Record number of students in higher education.
21. Child benefit up 26 per cent since 1997.
22. Delivered 2,200 Sure Start Children’s Centres.
23. Introduced the Equality and Human Rights Commission.
24. £200 winter fuel payment to pensioners & up to £300 for over-80s.
25. On course to exceed our Kyoto target for reducing greenhouse gas emissions.
26. Restored devolved government to Northern Ireland.
27. Over 36,000 more teachers in England and 274,000 more support staff and teaching assistants.
28. All full time workers now have a right to 24 days paid holiday.
29. A million pensioners lifted out of poverty.
30. 600,000 children lifted out of relative poverty.
31. Introduced child tax credit giving more money to parents.
32. Scrapped Section 28 and introduced Civil Partnerships.
33. Brought over 1 million social homes up to standard.
34. Inpatient waiting lists down by over half a million since 1997.
35. Banned fox hunting.
36. Cleanest rivers, beaches, drinking water and air since before the industrial revolution.
37. Free TV licences for over-75s.
38. Banned fur farming and the testing of cosmetics on animals.
39. Free breast cancer screening for all women aged between 50-70.
40. Free off peak local bus travel for over-60s.
41. New Deal – helped over 1.8 million people into work.
42. Over 3 million child trust funds have been started.
43. Free eye test for over 60s.
44. More than doubled the number of apprenticeships.
45. Free entry to national museums and galleries.
46. Overseas aid budget more than doubled.
47. Heart disease deaths down by 150,000 and cancer deaths down by 50,000.
48. Cut long-term youth unemployment by 75 per cent.
49. Free nursery places for every three and four-year-olds.
50. Free fruit for most four to six-year-olds at school.

Ahh, so new Labour worked then.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Absolutely dead right there Mock, anything she intends to do in attacking and humiliating those sick and disabled,even those terminally Ill too.
Then they'll reveal the truth as to their heartless and gutless policies.

I say gutless as they can only attack people,(and even animals actually),who are at their weakest and lowest point,unbelievably getting support to do so as well.

Sadly it's not just May that's gutless though Joey, it's that entire party.

[DemolitionRed]

And here's what the Tory party have done since 2005
1. Election fraud 30 Tories are facing the prospect of criminal prosecution
2. Longest fall in value of wages since records began
3. Spectacularly missed economic targets
4. The austerity con
5. Massive NHS cuts
6. Systematic abuse of disabled people
7. NHS recruitment crisis
8. Huge rise in child poverty
9. The harshest cuts of all on poor families and children
10. The lowest level of house building since the 1920s
11. Contempt for private sector tenants (voted down a bill to stop slum landlords)
12. Public transport chaos
13. Biggest education funding cuts in decades
14. The school privatization agenda
15. Rip off tuition fees. English students now face the highest fees in the world to study.
16. Huge rise in food bank dependency.
17. The Hinkley Point C Scandal (using tax payers cash!)
18. Social care crisis coincided with the biggest increase in death rate since the 1960’s
19. Defunding of local government
20. Tax-dodging corporate outsourcing parasites
21. Five service cuts 30% on fire services. Closure of 39 fire stations and the loss of 10,000 jobs
22. Police cuts. Axed 34,000 police jobs. Crime has risen by 96% since the cuts.
23. Sweetheart tax deals. Allowing massive tax cuts to companies like Google.
24. The snooper charter. The most extreme state surveillance in the world.
25. Dictators and despots. Sucking up to Islamic tyrants in SA
26. Contempt of human rights.
27. Taxpayer subsidised malice (anti welfare schemes)
28. Rising inequality. The worst collapse in the value of peoples wages on record.
29. U-turn after U-turn
30. Threat of a no deal Brexit.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

So why are you going in on him but ignoring the fact that Theresa May doesn't actually say anything when she speaks? You tear him apart over an honest mistake when he has typically been more candid and open with the workings of his manifesto when you are in support of Theresa May's when it contains nothing but vague half promises and outs for her to u-turn when the manifesto no longer suits her.

he knows no figures, goodness me it is pathetic

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Labour-Since being elected in 1997

1. Longest period of sustained low inflation since the 60s.
2. Low mortgage rates.
3. Introduced the National Minimum Wage and raised it to £5.52.
4. Over 14,000 more police in England and Wales.
5. Cut overall crime by 32 per cent.
6. Record levels of literacy and numeracy in schools.
7. Young people achieving some of the best ever results at 14, 16, and 18.
8. Funding for every pupil in England has doubled.
9. Employment is at its highest level ever.
10. Written off up to 100 per cent of debt owed by poorest countries.
11. 85,000 more nurses.
12. 32,000 more doctors.
13. Brought back matrons to hospital wards.
14. Devolved power to the Scottish Parliament.
15. Devolved power to the Welsh Assembly.
16. Dads now get paternity leave of 2 weeks for the first time.
17. NHS Direct offering free convenient patient advice.
18. Gift aid was worth £828 million to charities last year.
19. Restored city-wide government to London.
20. Record number of students in higher education.
21. Child benefit up 26 per cent since 1997.
22. Delivered 2,200 Sure Start Children’s Centres.
23. Introduced the Equality and Human Rights Commission.
24. £200 winter fuel payment to pensioners & up to £300 for over-80s.
25. On course to exceed our Kyoto target for reducing greenhouse gas emissions.
26. Restored devolved government to Northern Ireland.
27. Over 36,000 more teachers in England and 274,000 more support staff and teaching assistants.
28. All full time workers now have a right to 24 days paid holiday.
29. A million pensioners lifted out of poverty.
30. 600,000 children lifted out of relative poverty.
31. Introduced child tax credit giving more money to parents.
32. Scrapped Section 28 and introduced Civil Partnerships.
33. Brought over 1 million social homes up to standard.
34. Inpatient waiting lists down by over half a million since 1997.
35. Banned fox hunting.
36. Cleanest rivers, beaches, drinking water and air since before the industrial revolution.
37. Free TV licences for over-75s.
38. Banned fur farming and the testing of cosmetics on animals.
39. Free breast cancer screening for all women aged between 50-70.
40. Free off peak local bus travel for over-60s.
41. New Deal – helped over 1.8 million people into work.
42. Over 3 million child trust funds have been started.
43. Free eye test for over 60s.
44. More than doubled the number of apprenticeships.
45. Free entry to national museums and galleries.
46. Overseas aid budget more than doubled.
47. Heart disease deaths down by 150,000 and cancer deaths down by 50,000.
48. Cut long-term youth unemployment by 75 per cent.
49. Free nursery places for every three and four-year-olds.
50. Free fruit for most four to six-year-olds at school.

You missed no 51....allowed paedophiles to continue abusing children.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

And here's what the Tory party have done since 2005
1. Election fraud 30 Tories are facing the prospect of criminal prosecution
2. Longest fall in value of wages since records began
3. Spectacularly missed economic targets
4. The austerity con
5. Massive NHS cuts
6. Systematic abuse of disabled people
7. NHS recruitment crisis
8. Huge rise in child poverty
9. The harshest cuts of all on poor families and children
10. The lowest level of house building since the 1920s
11. Contempt for private sector tenants (voted down a bill to stop slum landlords)
12. Public transport chaos
13. Biggest education funding cuts in decades
14. The school privatization agenda
15. Rip off tuition fees. English students now face the highest fees in the world to study.
16. Huge rise in food bank dependency.
17. The Hinkley Point C Scandal (using tax payers cash!)
18. Social care crisis coincided with the biggest increase in death rate since the 1960’s
19. Defunding of local government
20. Tax-dodging corporate outsourcing parasites
21. Five service cuts 30% on fire services. Closure of 39 fire stations and the loss of 10,000 jobs
22. Police cuts. Axed 34,000 police jobs. Crime has risen by 96% since the cuts.
23. Sweetheart tax deals. Allowing massive tax cuts to companies like Google.
24. The snooper charter. The most extreme state surveillance in the world.
25. Dictators and despots. Sucking up to Islamic tyrants in SA
26. Contempt of human rights.
27. Taxpayer subsidised malice (anti welfare schemes)
28. Rising inequality. The worst collapse in the value of peoples wages on record.
29. U-turn after U-turn
30. Threat of a no deal Brexit.

Considering the exiting labour chancellor left a note on a table saying "sorry, no money left" they have done ok.