[Vicky.]

Hardly obliterated. But yes, the Scottish people seem to have spoken for a second time on this referendum. Sturgeon was beginning to look a bit of a joke with the vote of a lifetime just being done over again and again until she got the result she wanted...which would have been how it went.

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I actually agree with that, I think it will be good for both Scotland and the SNP. I do believe in eventual independence but they massively jumped the gun going on about it so soon, prompted by Brexit. It should have been something that was considered in 5 to 10 years time, AFTER the effects of Brexit are known. As things stand, another referendum would simply yield the same result and is a pointless distraction.

Its just a shame that Scottish people seem to have believed so firmly that Labour "was dead" and taken Tory as the "unionist voice". I am 100% sure a chunk of those blue areas would be red if the people could have seen a glimpse of this overall outcome before the vote.

I think this is a one-off "anti-indy result" for Scotland to be honest; I think the SNP will change their rhetoric based on this, to being about getting the best for Scotland WITHIN the UK (which is where they should have put their focus in this campaign) and will still do well in the Scottish election. Next UK GE I would imagine will be yellow and red.

Yes, I reckon you have it spot on.
I think their losses are down to concentrating on another indyref, they will bounce back to the original 50 plus figure next election if they change their focus.

[the truth]

damn she is boring

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Two elections in a row it's Scotland that's ruined the result now

Mind you, I'll take this result quite happily given what was predicted. What's your opinion of how all this is gonna play out, Joey? Will a Con-DUP pact prove unstable on a vote by vote basis? An autumn election likely? Something else?

I find a Con--DUP arrangement unacceptable.
The DUP are extreme,intolerant,they are a barrier to gay rights and are a sectarian party.

That they will wield influence or have demands met possibly, is totally out of order for me.

It could affect relations with the other Parties in Northern Ireland in the power sharing assembly,if it is felt the DUP could be gaining concessions from a Con govt.for DUP support for said govt.

That is likely and should be looked on with deep suspicion by other Parties and the other UK Countries.
So more problems may come across the UK as to any informal or formal deal with the extreme DUP.
Already the Greens are expressing concerns at such a deal with the DUP.

This woman has created chaos by calling this election, by embracing then too,one side of the defined characteristics of a political party from Northern Ireland,is for me a desperate and possibly dangerous move.

As to brexit,she would actually do better bring in a negotiating team from all sides of political persuasion of parties elected to Westminster.
Make it national UK negotiations now,not just one or two parties.

As for her other policies, if she carries on austerity across the UK,needing support from the DUP, that going ahead would and should be abhorrent.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by the truth

the voters are more volatile and fickle than ever....With crazy acts of terror and brexit on a knife edge, another election in 6 months could see massively different results again...events my boy, events

If Brexit and Terrorism didn't sway this election towards a Tory majority then they're not going to sway any future vote either... they literally couldn't be more current topics.

[Withano]

The next election will be so tense. Theyre only gonna lose more seats as time goes on.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Withano

The next election will be so tense. Theyre only gonna lose more seats as time goes on.

If they focus heavily on indy going forward then yes, if not I think they'll settle naturally in the 30/35 range which I feel is probably more realistic than the numbers from 2015. I'd say that was the "freak result", more than anything else.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

If Brexit and Terrorism didn't sway this election towards a Tory majority then they're not going to sway any future vote either... they literally couldn't be more current topics.

police cuts and austerity pegged her back

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Two elections in a row it's Scotland that's ruined the result now

Eh? How do you work that one out? Even if every seat in Scotland went to labour in 2015, the tories still would have had a majority.

I get what you are saying about this election though, but keep in mind less than a quarter of Scotland's MPs are tories, in England more than half are tories.

[the truth]

Loving the scottish result , why? well because we are keeping that mighty nation united with the rets of our kingdom forever. The way jimmy cranky tried to break up the UK at the exact moment we needed unity was a disgrace. Cranky needs to go now, shes a far bigger threat to the UK and brexit than may or anyone else

[user104658]

Originally Posted by the truth

Loving the scottish result , why? well because we are keeping that mighty nation united with the rets of our kingdom forever. The way jimmy cranky tried to break up the UK at the exact moment we needed unity was a disgrace. Cranky needs to go now, shes a far bigger threat to the UK and brexit than may or anyone else

It's a complicated situation really... A lot of people who want independence in Scotland are really looking for a way to escape Tory austerity, and would be much happier to stay in the union under a fairer Westminster government. Labour or even a "less hard line" Tory.

[Beso]

I have been working all day Has wee jimmy had the cheek to say may should resign yet?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I have been working all day Has wee jimmy had the cheek to say may should resign yet?

she won by a large margin so I very much doubt that.



Just becuase a team wins a cup 5-0 one year and 2-0 the next does not mean anything other than they won 2 cups and the rest won hee-haw

[reece(:]

Originally Posted by Greg!

Eh? How do you work that one out? Even if every seat in Scotland went to labour in 2015, the tories still would have had a majority.

I get what you are saying about this election though, but keep in mind less than a quarter of Scotland's MPs are tories, in England more than half are tories.

If only a few of those seats didn't turn there would be no chance of DUP coalition

Nicci Scherz ruined it with her indyref obsession

[user104658]

Originally Posted by reece(:

If only a few of those seats didn't turn there would be no chance of DUP coalition

Nicci Scherz ruined it with her indyref obsession

To be fair though, I don't see how England - with over 300 Tory seats - can blame Scotland for the whole thing for having TWELVE out of 59... Despite the losses, Scotland is still something like 80% "non-tory" whereas England on its own is more than 50% Tory seats. The rhetoric of Scotland "going Tory" is a bit exaggerated.

In other words, if you take Scotland completely out of the equation, the "post" sits at 296 seats and the Tories (with 302 seats) would have a majority government in place, albeit a very slim one.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The bare acts are that Scotland has better politicians at the moment


more credible, more truthful and more dedicated to the job in hand

they are also seen as so by the people unlike that shower in England who nobody likes or trusts

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The bare acts are that Scotland has better politicians at the moment


more credible, more truthful and more dedicated to the job in hand

they are also seen as so by the people unlike that shower in England who nobody likes or trusts

I will agree to be fair, the Scottish Conservatives simply ran a much better campaign than May. Yes there was a heavy focus on Indy issues but also, a generally more positive and progressive message in their campaign material, almost totally at odds with May's "Austerity and terror!" material. Of course it might just be flashing lights and empty promises but whatever it is, it seems to have been more effective.

[user104658]

To add to that, I would also suggest a reason; politics simply works better on a smaller scale focussing on local issues. There's a very strong argument for devolution of regions across England, in my opinion, with London handling only the major issues.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The SNP are the only people who have been round my house in 15 years. They have a regular stall in the village square once a month (in all weathers). I have actually met my MP in town, they sent me 3 personal letters in an envelope in the last 8 weeks.

They have signs and banners in fields all around the valley. They make an effeort to earn the vote around here and people respond, forget if they are left or right, they make an effort.

If i was to say who was next it would be conservatives. Yes I know parties target seats but it is worth noting that hard work will get you votes.

[user104658]

I'm sure I said on another thread... Or maybe this one... Labour are currently invisible in Scotland. The unionist vote was always going to mainly go Tory because the Labour candidates were just sitting on their hands.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Greg!

Eh? How do you work that one out? Even if every seat in Scotland went to labour in 2015, the tories still would have had a majority.

I get what you are saying about this election though, but keep in mind less than a quarter of Scotland's MPs are tories, in England more than half are tories.

Okay that's a fair point, but at least Labour wouldn't have been in as weaker position as they were this election. Don't worry, I hate the English more than the Scots.

It's just annoying that if the 9 seats the SNP lost to the Tories had stayed yellow, the latter would only be on 309. The 44 seats the SNP then had, combined with Labour's 261, the LD's 12, Plaid's 5 and the Green's 1, would've been enough to vote down a Tory minority government, and hopefully pass a Labour Queen's Speech.

But I lay the blame for this as Scottish Labour's piss poor campaign. Much like many others, Dugdale should've got behind Corbyn.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Okay that's a fair point, but at least Labour wouldn't have been in as weaker position as they were this election. Don't worry, I hate the English more than the Scots.

It's just annoying that if the 9 seats the SNP lost to the Tories had stayed yellow, the latter would only be on 309. The 44 seats the SNP then had, combined with Labour's 261, the LD's 12, Plaid's 5 and the Green's 1, would've been enough to vote down a Tory minority government, and hopefully pass a Labour Queen's Speech.

But I lay the blame for this as Scottish Labour's piss poor campaign. Much like many others, Dugdale should've got behind Corbyn.

Does that mean you hate the Scots or not? I can't tell.

[Jack_]

Well I didn't, but now they've elected some Tories

Nah

[Crimson Dynamo]

have you seen the "head" of labour in Scotland?

without being nasty

No one takes her seriously, not least wee Burnie