[Brother Leon]

Originally Posted by Adam.

Labour only got votes because of the uni fees a promise would never have kept

False statement. Students that can actually vote are already locked in on their ridiculous 9k a year fees. It was based on far more than that. Nice try though..

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Nah they need to leave well alone IMO. Brexit is going to cost the country a ****load of money. Labour would just be blamed for overspending again if they were at the helm when it all hits. Like how they are blamed for the global banking crisis...such is their power!

Labour are in a pretty decent position now I would say. Avoiding handling the poisoned chalice that is Brexit. And sitting back to watch May destroy the Conservative party. All whilst knowing their support isn't as pitiful as the Tories hoped it was.

A lot of people are not going to want to admit that Labour are in the strongest position they've been in for a decade. They've increased in size to be a legitimately large opposition party, have dispelled the myth that they are on the way out. All while the Conservatives are in bed with the DUP, overseeing a very problematic Brexit, and from what I'm hearing today, now have internal issues too with Ruth Davidson and the Scottish Conservative MPs wanting to distance themselves from the DUP (although she denies any rumours of a formal breakaway).

It will take a miracle for the Tories not to be significantly weakened over the next few years.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Adam.

Labour only got votes because of the uni fees a promise would never have kept

You're so, so crap at this.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Stu

You're so, so crap at this.

stick to the debate and not personal stuff

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Adam.

Labour only got votes because of the uni fees a promise would never have kept

Every year people bitch that younger people don't vote. Then when they do, they bitch and make patronizing comments like this.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

A lot of people are not going to want to admit that Labour are in the strongest position they've been in for a decade. They've increased in size to be a legitimately large opposition party, have dispelled the myth that they are on the way out. All while the Conservatives are in bed with the DUP, overseeing a very problematic Brexit, and from what I'm hearing today, now have internal issues too with Ruth Davidson and the Scottish Conservative MPs wanting to distance themselves from the DUP (although she denies any rumours of a formal breakaway).

It will take a miracle for the Tories not to be significantly weakened over the next few years.

It's unbelievable how things change so dramatically so quickly in politics.They do say a week in politics is a long time.
The Tories are on there arse now and Labour seem like they could be reuniting.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

It's unbelievable how things change so dramatically so quickly in politics.They do say a week in politics is a long time.
The Tories are on there arse now and Labour seem like they could be reuniting.

They have to. The internal warring within the Labour party from Blairite opposition like Liam Byrne, Chuka Umunna, Leslie and Stephen Kinnock and Nick Cohen (who should piss off to the Tory party) will still go out of their way to cause damage to Corbyn. Its like 'whac-a-rat'; with these slippery creatures. They seem to believe that people want a 'Labour lite' party, even now when they should be kissing Corbyns feet.

[bigbrother2k17]

lets just say the tories have made a massive mistake with the DUP "coalition." even Ruth Davidson Questioned it..

The DUP want to make it legal to discriminate against anyone from the LGBT community.
The DUP want no woman to have access to any type of abortion, and furthermore criminalise anyone offering or seeking that service.
The DUP want to bring back the death penalty. (I have a mixed reaction to the death penalty.)

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by bigbrother2k17

lets just say the tories have made a massive mistake with the DUP "coalition." even Ruth Davidson Questioned it..

The DUP want to make it legal to discriminate against anyone from the LGBT community.
The DUP want no woman to have access to any type of abortion, and furthermore criminalise anyone offering or seeking that service.
The DUP want to bring back the death penalty. (I have a mixed reaction to the death penalty.)

None of this will be accepted in the UK,they know this

[bigbrother2k17]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

None of this will be accepted in the UK,they know this

Yeah I know, no one in the UK would stand for their views however I believe it is going to be very controversial now people know who is doing the coalition as many people (pretty much all) people disagree with the party. I don't know how they got 10 seats tbh.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by bigbrother2k17

Yeah I know, no one in the UK would stand for their views however I believe it is going to be very controversial now people know who is doing the coalition as many people (pretty much all) people disagree with the party. I don't know how they got 10 seats tbh.

The answer to how they got 10 seats seems to simply be... Because there isn't a moderate alternative to vote for in N.i.

[bitontheslide]

Its not a coalition. There is nothing formal in the agreement at all.

Simply put, the DUP pretty much agree with the tories in most things that they propose so they will make themselves available to vote in their support. They have been doing the same for years, so its nothing new, even if people want to believe differently. Meaningful opposition will come from within the tory party itself, and I'm sure there will be plenty of it. Just ask John Major

[bigbrother2k17]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Its not a coalition. There is nothing formal in the agreement at all.

Simply put, the DUP pretty much agree with the tories in most things that they propose so they will make themselves available to vote in their support. They have been doing the same for years, so its nothing new, even if people want to believe differently. Meaningful opposition will come from within the tory party itself, and I'm sure there will be plenty of it. Just ask John Major

Oh Okay, thanks for the clarification, I thought it was a coalition.

[arista]

[Scarlett.]

No one is supporting May anymore, not even the Tories themselves, I just hope Boris doesn't take her place, and we get a more sensible Tory.

[Scarlett.]

Honestly at this point, I feel we need to go back on Article 50, the country is in no state to start negotiations, and may not be for anything between half a year to a year, we simply do not have that time, no negotiations can take place at a time like this. I'm not saying we never do Brexit, but the country needs to have a clear leader, not a unsteady coalition.

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Chewy

Honestly at this point, I feel we need to go back on Article 50, the country is in no state to start negotiations, and may not be for anything between half a year to a year, we simply do not have that time, no negotiations can take place at a time like this. I'm not saying we never do Brexit, but the country needs to have a clear leader, not a unsteady coalition.

We have to plod on, unfortunately even if we delay it, the finishing date won't change.

[Jack_]

I've been looking forward to the first post-election polls...

Labour need to seize the initiative now. Let the Conservatives bury themselves with their dodgy dealings with the DUP (which is already being rejected by moderate Tories), whimper on for a couple of months, put together a professional shadow cabinet that encompasses a broad coalition from different factions of the party, and prepare for another election whenever that may be.

[Jack_]

also I'm ****ing screaming at this

the shade of the question

[Kizzy]

There is no way the UK will go for this regressive shiz, they are as good as gone!

[jet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The answer to how they got 10 seats seems to simply be... Because there isn't a moderate alternative to vote for in N.i.

The UUP and the SDLP are moderate alternatives and have traditionally always been the largest parties up until a few years ago.
Now it's mainly become a two way battle between Sinn Fein and the DUP unfortunately.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by jet

The UUP and the SDLP are moderate alternatives and have traditionally always been the largest parties up until a few years ago.
Now it's mainly become a two way battle between Sinn Fein and the DUP unfortunately.

That makes sense, but what does that tell us about British politics today - has it become more 'extreme' with those that shout the loudest being heard the most. That would be quite worrying.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

There is no way the UK will go for this regressive shiz, they are as good as gone!

You can kid yourself Kizzy. Having a terrorist sympathiser such as Corbyn as PM would most definitely be regressive and take our political system back to the dark ages.

[AProducer'sWetDream]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

You can kid yourself Kizzy. Having a terrorist sympathiser as PM would most definitely be regressive and take our political system back to the dark ages.

Arlene Foster can't become PM

[Brother Leon]

Originally Posted by Jack_

also I'm ****ing screaming at this

the shade of the question

They are ****ed regardless.