[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Withano

Perhaps I should have been clearer - it is alarming to me -

Tories are in charge and when their supporters are asked why, their policies arent mentioned. Maybe I'm doing democracy all wrong, but the policies that I want to live with for 5 years will always be the key reason to place my vote. I wouldnt vote Labour for the sake of not like May as a person very much, it isnt the X Factor.. I also wouldn't vote Labour for the sake of not liking right wing people very much like Brillo suggested, it is nothing to do with them... And I also wouldnt vote Labour for somehing the Tories did X many years ago under a different leader and policies, Like TT is suggesting some have done, because its irrelevant.

The responses are therefore alarming to me, because they go against what I thought the priority reason of the general election was about

you mean the one confirmed response so far


Dont go looking for a job at Survation any time soon

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Nathan

The Tories and any sort of values are not two things I'd put in the same sentence personally

better than labor who say one thing do another? the gap between rich and poor was bigger by the end of labours disastrous 13 years in government than it had been in 200 years

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Nathan

The Tories and any sort of values are not two things I'd put in the same sentence personally

I wasn't going to comment here as my only interest in the Cons now,is to see them turfed out.

I couldn't resist having to agree with this post however.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I wasn't going to comment here as my only interest in the Cons now,is to see them turfed out.

I couldn't resist having to agree with this post however.

it was a typical left wing cheap shot...how can labour preach about morals after killing a million iraquis....bankrupting our economy, seeing an nhs rife with filth mrsa and 1000s literally dying of thirst in nhs hospitals
total hypocrites

[bots]

and as predicted the thread has taken a nose dive

[Withano]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

you mean the one confirmed response so far


Dont go looking for a job at Survation any time soon

Theres more than one, sweety

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

and as predicted the thread has taken a nose dive

I'm fascinated as to why you're posting things like this in every thread, as if you're some sort of impartial observer, rather than right square in the thick of these "nosediving threads" .

[Kazanne]

I wouldn't even bother posting why I would vote Conservative if I was to vote , the question was only asked to bait and have a pop at people who don't fawn over Corbyn

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I wouldn't even bother posting why I would vote Conservative if I was to vote , the question was only asked to bait and have a pop at people who don't fawn over Corbyn

Not 'the cunning plan' exposed

[Kizzy]

Traditional venture capitalism is no longer de rigueur

Thank ****

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Not 'the cunning plan' exposed

If this thread is not your cup of tea just don't post in it...it's not hard. there are lots of other threads aren't there?

Nobody has a knife to your throat forcing anyone to comment do they? :/

[DemolitionRed]

If you feel this thread is just baiting, feel free to give it a miss.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

If this thread is not your cup of tea just don't post in it...it's not hard. there are lots of other threads aren't there?

Nobody has a knife to your throat forcing anyone to comment do they? :/

wait, other threads?

[joeysteele]

Although seriously, I was a Conservative up to 18.
It was my worries about the NHS and raising tuition fees that moved me unwisely to Lib Dem in the 2010 election.

I did see the Conservative party as a competent and more trustworthy party with the economy.
I felt John Major had moved the party back from being anti NHS too.

It's funny how things change and people on here I am close to have made the other transition to me,they from Labour to Con,for their own valid reasons. As mine are from Con to Labour.

Competence before would have been what would have had me vote Conservative.
However,just for myself now, I'd rather have compassion in policy.

I find that now in Labour and sadly see little of it in the Conservatives.
Although there are many in the Conservative party who are strongly compassionate, sadly they at present do not make up the leadership of the party.

I guess for most,it's how policies affect yourself.
I will always wish for the day when politics and govt.is made up of the just,compassionate and concensus MPs who actually,from all main Parties,are the vast majority of MPs.

Competence, tolerance,fairness,consensus ,compassion and sensitivity if one day that can be evident in a party or govt.that will be great days for politics and the Nation.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by the truth

Tory party lowers taxes on the working classes, they put a limit on benefits of Ł25,000...from the previously unlimited handouts to breed for benefit families
They have created more jobs in the UK since 2010 than the rest of the european 27 countries put together, a staggering statistic and one of the reasons unemployment has fallen and gdp has risen and the deficit is falling
Basiclaly the country and the economy at large is way better off now than it was under labour. This has meant the tories have spent far more per head on the nhs in england than labour have done in wales since 2010. The welsh economy is miles weaker , average gdp is a pitiful Ł18000 per head in wales its Ł43000 in london? that is a staggering difference of 240%? the dreadful welsh economy means less money for public services which again is why the welsh nhs is miles behind englands....the tories have wiped out mrsa in hospitals, theyve strengthen the ombudsmen so people can make private complaints without fear of being bullied as they were under labour and still are in wales....the tories are fighting hard for a 7 day nhs by cleverly employing continental shifts...just like every other professiona medics should work the odd weekend,. Its a lie to say the service is anywhere near as good on the weekend. its a joke on the weekend. It should be the same standard, people should be at a vastly higher risk of dying depending what day they arrive in hospital. the tories gave us a democratic referendum too and respected the result

Thanks TT

If I was to read all of this and find all the proper channels to prove them right, I'd be reasonably pleased about some of those things... especially a rise in GDP because that would make a lot of difference to my life.

The problem is, many of the things you stated just aren't so. We have gone over the value of tax to GDP and we've already talked about the Tories halving the debt versus Osborne tripling the debt and we've also talked about the Łbillions cut from the welfare budget since 2010 have made not a scrap of difference to the national debt so I think we just have to agree to disagree on those things.

Interesting what you were saying about the Welsh economy and the NHS within Wales under the Labour party, because this is something I haven't seen any wide discussions on... but then I'm not Welsh.

Wales could never do well under the single market because Wales were big producers of products such as steel and agriculture. When any industry has an EU cap imposed on its production every time there’s a glut, its going to make those lands a shadow of their former self, especially if that land relied on its productions (unlike the city of London which relies on bankers). I think its disgusting that we have to import leeks and lamb to Wales but that’s not going to change whilst we are in the EU, regardless of who is sitting in number 10.

I’m aware that Wales is the UK’s lowest spending country. Block grants which are determined by something called the Barnett Formula are handed out to individual governments each year. The Barnett Formula (worth becoming familiar with) is worked out on populations size. The problem with this is, it’s a historic formula (I believe the last formula was done in 2000) and so the population proportions are different than what we have today. England and Scotland don’t even use the Barnett Formula for services such as the NHS; they work out monies needed based on age, health and poverty. If the British government allowed the same with Wales, Wales would be receiving 10% more funding than it presently does. Its time Westminster burned this arcane formula and stopped inflicting it on Wales and Northern Ireland.

Another thing I wanted to ask you about was the Ombudsman. I believe they’ve now introduced a rail passenger ombudsman? but I can’t find any new legislation regarding parliamentary and Health Service Ombudsman? Whilst an Ombudsman can ask an organization like the NHS to make changes, they can’t make or insist that organization changes unless its actually breaking laws.

[Mystic Mock]

I think that they're seen as the "true" UK party, and tbf in the past they might've been, but I honestly think that this current lot are more set on destroying the UK if it means they pocket out of it.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by the truth

it was a typical left wing cheap shot...how can labour preach about morals after killing a million iraquis....bankrupting our economy, seeing an nhs rife with filth mrsa and 1000s literally dying of thirst in nhs hospitals
total hypocrites

BIB wasn't anything to do with Labour or Tories, it was the Republican party in America which bankrupted nearly the whole world, how any party from the UK can get the blame for that is beyond me.

I agree with you on the Iraq front for Labour.

And the NHS has been run poorly ever since I've been alive, so that's a shared blame between Labour and Tories.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

BIB wasn't anything to do with Labour or Tories, it was the Republican party in America which bankrupted nearly the whole world, how any party from the UK can get the blame for that is beyond me.

I agree with you on the Iraq front for Labour.

And the NHS has been run poorly ever since I've been alive, so that's a shared blame between Labour and Tories.

Iraq was a terrible thing that Labour did but Camerons Libya was equally ill conceived. Blair will always be blamed for the lie on weapons of mass destruction and Cameron will be equally blamed for the opportunist regime change that aided the rise of ISIS.