[Brillopad]

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/817...sidents-corbyn

Apart from being illegal it is not a practical solution. The responsibility is on the Council/Government to do this and it should be ensured they do so as soon as possible. You can't effectively steal property from people because they are wealthy.

This is typical of Corbyn's far left policies and I can't help but feel he is using this tragedy to his political advantage. He is as far-left in his views as he ever was and for those to suggest his views are more moderate than they used to be is either naive or dishonest.

Watch this space I say.

[Kizzy]

I think the issue is with buildings being purchased and not developed, this is common practice buildings and land are purchased to prevent competition moving in, this has to stop.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I think the issue is with buildings being purchased and not developed, this is common practice buildings and land are purchased to prevent competition moving in, this has to stop.

There should be rules against it tbh, with utilising land / buildings being a condition of sale and if nothing is done within a set number of years, the property is auctioned but with the funds given back to the owner (or held for them if they're not traceable). I would never advocate seizing outright tbh but there are so many buildings literally falling apart simply because the owners have no interest in them and sometimes can't even be traced.

I've personally lived near two such properties. My wife's uni house (massive 6 bedroom place) was next to a similar house... That was so neglected it had trees growing through the windows. It had been inherited by a multi-millionaire living in Spain when an elderly relative died and he just had absolutely no interest in it whatsoever. I doubt he would even have noticed / cared if someone sold it from under him.

Another one was on the corner of the little terraced street I lived on when we lived in Lancashire (think coronation Street... It looked identical). There was an abandonned house there that had been empty for 15+ years according to locals, and the council didn't even know who owned it. Totally untraceable. It'll presumably just sit there until it falls apart?

Surely there should be something in place to stop that. These properties are an eyesore and devalue all of the surrounding property, for one.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/817...sidents-corbyn

Apart from being illegal it is not a practical solution. The responsibility is on the Council/Government to do this and it should be ensured they do so as soon as possible. You can't effectively steal property from people because they are wealthy.

This is typical of Corbyn's far left policies and I can't help but feel he is using this tragedy to his political advantage. He is as far-left in his views as he ever was and for those to suggest his views are more moderate than they used to be is either naive or dishonest.

Watch this space I say.

That's disgusting,why doesn't he house a couple in his £650,000 home? Plenty of spare rooms in there.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

That's disgusting,why doesn't he house a couple in his £650,000 home? Plenty of spare rooms in there.

Exactly Kaz - a good case for him to put his money where his mouth is.

[bots]

yes, while parliament is not in session, mps, have lots of available accomodation in london. As that is actually paid for by the people, lets first start by making it available.

Let me guess how many fellow labour mp's would support that move before even getting to the other parties

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

yes, while parliament is not in session, mps, have lots of available accomodation in london. As that is actually paid for by the people, lets first start by making it available.

Let me guess how many fellow labour mp's would support that move before even getting to the other parties

A bit fat zero all round I would say.

[StephenPullen]

Don't agree with seizing private property - if you own it it's yours and the government can't take it away unless you've purchased the property via criminal means. Corbyn's a joke

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

yes, while parliament is not in session, mps, have lots of available accomodation in london. As that is actually paid for by the people, lets first start by making it available.

Let me guess how many fellow labour mp's would support that move before even getting to the other parties

Good point, it's all platitudes and suggestions and no action

I was particularly annoyed with Labour saying 5 million wasn't enough as an emergency fund, at this point in time all parties should be trying to come together and form a united response to the tragedy, rather than arguing amongst themselves, it's a decent amount as a starting point, we don't need politicians arguing to tip this into a riot situation

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Good point, it's all platitudes and suggestions and no action

I was particularly annoyed with Labour saying 5 million wasn't enough as an emergency fund, at this point in time all parties should be trying to come together and form a united response to the tragedy, rather than arguing amongst themselves, it's a decent amount as a starting point, we don't need politicians arguing to tip this into a riot situation

No it isn't, the time for papering over the cracks has ended... no more duping, appeasing and inquiries.

The public have a right to honesty, inquest and accountability.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

No it isn't, the time for papering over the cracks has ended... no more duping, appeasing and inquiries.

The public have a right to honesty, inquest and accountability.

I agree, the public have a right to honesty - no more papering over the cracks and no more duping or appeasing Corbyn's rather inflated ego.

[Cherie]

[QUOTE=Kizzy;9366668]No it isn't, the time for papering over the cracks has ended... no more duping, appeasing and inquiries.

The public have a right to honesty, inquest and accountability.[/QUOTE]

Of course they do but thas nothing to do with my point. If Labour feel 5 million is not enough they should take it privately to the government, shouting that it is not enough is just inflaming a tense situation, its inappropriate and its irresponsible

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Of course they do but thas nothing to do with my point. If Labour feel 5 million is not enough they should take it privately to the government, shouting that it is not enough is just inflaming a tense situation, its inappropriate and its irresponsible

It is honest... That 5M suggestion was only offered following the backlash at mays lukewarm reaction to the incident.

Throw the proles some crumbs to appease them as they sit dazed wondering where thier family is in a church hall.. but, fgs don't rock this fragile socio-political boat....bollocks.

[joeysteele]

Instead of anyone or any party making independent noises on this.
How reasoned and right it would be if the govt actually approached all other Parties to agree the best set of proposals to help and ease suffering.

That would bring I would guess a strong majority of the nation together.

Rather than having people and families housed in halls, anyone with empty premises could help by offering temporarily such empty dwellings for the affected to live in.

Oh and Churches could be getting their fingers out here more practically too.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It is honest... That 5M suggestion was only offered following the backlash at mays lukewarm reaction to the incident.

Throw the proles some crumbs to appease them as they sit dazed wondering where thier family is in a church hall.. but, fgs don't rock this fragile socio-political boat....bollocks.

It's not bollocks London is a powder keg now, its time to pull together not continue to divide people, that is what a good leader would do, there will be plenty of time for recrimination down the road, what people need now is action, not politicians point scoring

[Kazanne]

[QUOTE=Cherie;9366689]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

No it isn't, the time for papering over the cracks has ended... no more duping, appeasing and inquiries.

The public have a right to honesty, inquest and accountability.[/QUOTE]

Of course they do but thas nothing to do with my point. If Labour feel 5 million is not enough they should take it privately to the government, shouting that it is not enough is just inflaming a tense situation, its inappropriate and its irresponsible

Exactly,things are tense already no need for him to shout it from the rafters,if he wants to add more let him donate it,plus everything isn't about money or it shouldn't be,these people will be sorted out,it just takes time.

[Kizzy]

Not about money? these residents as my dear father would have said don't have a pot to piss in! What is important to them, that the establishment close ranks?... No, no it isn't.

It isn't point scoring it's pressure not to allow the govt to sidestep their responsibilities in this matter. How inflammatory is having representatives in the media stating that sprinklers were not installed because residents didn't want them?!

Have a little perspective.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Not about money? these residents as my dear father would have said don't have a pot to piss in! What is important to them, that the establishment close ranks?... No, no it isn't.

It isn't point scoring it's pressure not to allow the govt to sidestep their responsibilities in this matter. How inflammatory is having representatives in the media stating that sprinklers were not installed because residents didn't want them?!

Have a little perspective.

no Kizzy its not about the money, anyone who has lost family in that fire, or has a family member in hospital, or has family that are still unaccounted for are not thinking about money, that's my perspective. What is needed is action, support for the FF to get into the building, support for the families who are searching to be able to get answers from hospitals, and they need homes..homes... a place of relatively safety where they can start to rebuild their lives, after that they will need money but its not top priority right now.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

no Kizzy its not about the money, anyone who has lost family in that fire, or has a family member in hospital, or has family that are still unaccounted for are not thinking about money, that's my perspective. What is needed is action, support for the FF to get into the building, support for the families who are searching to be able to get answers from hospitals, and they need homes..homes... a place of relatively safety where they can start to rebuild their lives, after that they will need money but its not top priority right now.

Why not just read what they do want instead of prophesying?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7794391.html

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Why not just read what they do want instead of prophesying?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7794391.html

The Independent - your bible.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Why not just read what they do want instead of prophesying?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7794391.html

Once again you completely ignored my point, it is inappropriate for Labour to be arguing that 5 million is not enough at this point when there are far more pressing things to address, why you posted a list of the residents wants is anyone's guess when I had already said these issues were more important than a price tag

[Crimson Dynamo]

anyone seen a single spokesperson from the council?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

anyone seen a single spokesperson from the council?

Not one since the first day.

[Tregard]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

That's disgusting,why doesn't he house a couple in his £650,000 home? Plenty of spare rooms in there.

I do think it's worth noting that in the unlikely scenario he did do this, all of his naysayers would claim it was a publicity stunt anyway.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Tregard

I do think it's worth noting that in the unlikely scenario he did do this, all of his naysayers would claim it was a publicity stunt anyway.

They would indeed.