[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by jet

You really are woefully misinformed about the complicated politics of N.Ireland. I never thought I'd see the day when I would be defending the DUP, but so many misconceptions have been bandied about to do with the N.Ireland troubles and the parties that I do a double take on a regular basis.

I will quote MTVN from earlier who does understand N.Ireland politics and include a link also posted that may help you to be more informed:



https://capx.co/criticism-of-the-dup...ght-hypocrisy/


The IRA/Sinn Fein connection was a whole different beast to any Loyalist Para/DUP connection. I have already said I oppose ALL terrorism but you chose to ignore that, just as you chose to ignore the fact that Corbyn was well known as an IRA sympathiser and supporter in N.Ireland as far back as the 70's, before he became an MP. Tenuous links my ass. You think you know better than people who lived here and experienced the Troubles from beginning to end.

Just as you chose to ignore serious commentators on TV mentioning his past IRA links and the numerous articles detailing his involvement...and tell me this - why hasn't he sued any of them if they are ALL made up?
Answer: He dare not.
I have no interest whatsoever in the DUP opposing Corbyn. I have no affiliation with either UK Conservatives or Labour, or the DUP either, so that doesn't come into it with me personally. I always voted SDLP, the Labour equivalent in N.Ireland.
Why have the accusations not taken him down? Because either his supporters are too enamoured of him to give a **** or they refuse to believe it. Just like you in fact.

But by all means keep living in your la la land of denial. You wouldn't want reality to get in the way of your Corbyn worship.

You're still hypocritical for treating TENUOUS links as gospel while ignoring the DUP links. Also drop the insults.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

You're still hypocritical for treating TENUOUS links as gospel while ignoring the DUP links. Also drop the insults.

I will repeat:

Corbyn was well known as an IRA sympathiser and supporter in N.Ireland as far back as the 70's, before he became an MP. Tenuous links my ass. You think you know better than people who lived here and experienced the Troubles from beginning to end.

You are outright calling me a liar.

...and how am I ignoring DUP links with terrorists when I posted an informative quote and article relating to them?
I don't give a **** about the DUP. None of them may become the next UK Prime Minister, Corbyn, with his fascination for his terrorist pals, possibly could.


BTW, Why do you think he hasn't sued? Why do you think he refuses to denounce the IRA?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by jet

I will repeat:

You are outright calling me a liar.

...and how am I ignoring DUP links with terrorists when I posted an informative quote and article relating to them?
I don't give a **** about the DUP. None of them may become the next UK Prime Minister, Corbyn, with his fascination for his terrorist pals, possibly could.


BTW, Why do you think he hasn't sued? Why do you think he refuses to denounce the IRA?

Again, you are dodging the question, why is he still in power when, if there is any real evidence of this, his opposition could destroy him overnight? Why haven't they acted on what should be a smoking gun?

It makes ZERO sense that he's still in power if what he has allegedly done is true. What makes more sense is that everything has been overblown and his opposition would rather believe in the fairy tale than the truth since he simply wouldn't be where he is if the accusations had any merit.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Again, you are dodging the question, why is he still in power when, if there is any real evidence of this, his opposition could destroy him overnight? Why haven't they acted on what should be a smoking gun?

It makes ZERO sense that he's still in power if what he has allegedly done is true. What makes more sense is that everything has been overblown and his opposition would rather believe in the fairy tale than the truth since he simply wouldn't be where he is if the accusations had any merit.

Once again you are calling me a liar.

....and I asked you 2 questions and you dodged both of them.

Why has he still any power? There could be many reasons. Maybe it's because there has been a peace process - The Labour gov. sneakily sent amnesty letters to IRA killers on the run - murderers were released from prison agreed by all parties - Sinn Fein are a legit political party even though it has past killers still in its ranks so....

....Why would the opposition want to bring up Corbyns links of years ago when both governments agreed to let actual killers go free ?
Would bringing it all up affect the peace process and the sensitive situation in N.Ireland? Or maybe they know that his supporters just won't care? Or they just don't care themselves? (Though some of them do as they have brought up his links and condemned him on TV.)
And what is this 'smoking gun' you speak of? There has been plenty of articles and mentions on news programmes of his activities but it's obvious that it doesn't matter to many, (look at how many on here don't care or refuse to believe it) so what would be the point? They'd just root for him all the more.

He didn't kill anyone outright himself. It's a moral issue and its down to the conscience of each individual whether or not to admire and root for a man who was personally great pals with and a supporter of the killers of many innocent woman and children.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by jaxie

You're selective reading again. You didn't get any of the heartfelt pain in Jet's post at all did you? You're pontificating about a very difficult situation that people have lived in a very painful way and been torn apart by.

Repeating what I said to your friend isn't an argument.

I do not know Jet and this is the internet, I won't really be taken in by the 'heartfelt pain' when there's no way to know if any of it is true or not so I'd rather stick to logic.

Hating one party for terrorist links but then jumping through hoops to defend another for also having links to terrorism is just plain hypocritical, there's just no two ways about it.

Originally Posted by jet

Once again you are calling me a liar.

....and I asked you 2 questions and you dodged both of them.

Why has he still any power? There could be many reasons. Maybe it's because there has been a peace process - The Labour gov. sneakily sent amnesty letters to IRA killers on the run - murderers were released from prison agreed by all parties - Sinn Fein are a legit political party even though it has past killers still in its ranks so....

....Why would the opposition want to bring up Corbyns links of years ago when both governments agreed to let actual killers go free ?
Would bringing it all up affect the peace process and the sensitive situation in N.Ireland? Or maybe they know that his supporters just won't care? Or they just don't care themselves? (Though some of them do as they have brought up his links and condemned him on TV.)
And what is this 'smoking gun' you speak of? There has been plenty of articles and mentions on news programmes of his activities but it's obvious that it doesn't matter to many, (look at how many on here don't care or refuse to believe it) so what would be the point? They'd just root for him all the more.

He didn't kill anyone outright himself. It's a moral issue and its down to the conscience of each individual whether or not to admire and root for a man who was personally great pals with and a supporter of the killers of many innocent woman and children.

When did I call you a liar? I said that the accusations must not have any merit based on the fact that he has not been removed from his position.

'....Why would the opposition want to bring up Corbyns links of years ago when both governments agreed to let actual killers go free ? '

Well that's obvious, linking him to terrorism would force the rest of the Labour leadership into trying to force him out if it was true. MPs are made to step down when they are caught having affairs yet you don't think accusations of being a terrorist sympathiser would be enough to remove him from power if it was true?

Given how the media overanalyzes everything he does for reasons to slate him, it's this media that's made a point of bringing up the whole 'traitor' business so if you put 2 and 2 together you'll come to the conclusion that any 'links' to terrorism is likely overblown by a media that wants to ruin him.

It does not make a lick of sense that he'd still be in power if any of this business is true.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Repeating what I said to your friend isn't an argument.

I do not know Jet and this is the internet, I won't really be taken in by the 'heartfelt pain' when there's no way to know if any of it is true or not so I'd rather stick to logic.

Hating one party for terrorist links but then jumping through hoops to defend another for also having links to terrorism is just plain hypocritical, there's just no two ways about it.

Then why on earth have you been conversing with me for many posts if you think I'm some kind of fraud? No, you are a wriggler. You were called out on your lack of compassion and only then decided I'm now not legit. You've wasted my time and your own as well.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Repeating what I said to your friend isn't an argument.

I do not know Jet and this is the internet, I won't really be taken in by the 'heartfelt pain' when there's no way to know if any of it is true or not so I'd rather stick to logic.

Hating one party for terrorist links but then jumping through hoops to defend another for also having links to terrorism is just plain hypocritical, there's just no two ways about it.



When did I call you a liar? I said that the accusations must not have any merit based on the fact that he has not been removed from his position.

'....Why would the opposition want to bring up Corbyns links of years ago when both governments agreed to let actual killers go free ? '

Well that's obvious, linking him to terrorism would force the rest of the Labour leadership into trying to force him out if it was true. MPs are made to step down when they are caught having affairs yet you don't think accusations of being a terrorist sympathiser would be enough to remove him from power if it was true?

Given how the media overanalyzes everything he does for reasons to slate him, it's this media that's made a point of bringing up the whole 'traitor' business so if you put 2 and 2 together you'll come to the conclusion that any 'links' to terrorism is likely overblown by a media that wants to ruin him.

It does not make a lick of sense that he'd still be in power if any of this business is true.

I don't have a relationship with Jet outside responding/reading his/her posts but I didn't need one, I read them, and I can see there is element of pain of experience in what is being said.

I can also see you are lecturing Jet with little substance to your opinion, because you seem to enjoy it rather than engaging in a discussion.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I don't have a relationship with Jet outside responding/reading his/her posts but I didn't need one, I read them, and I can see there is element of pain of experience in what is being said.

I can also see you are lecturing Jet with little substance to your opinion, because you seem to enjoy it rather than engaging in a discussion.

I was speaking of Brillo but never mind.

Also as for your second paragraph.

opinion
əˈpɪnjən/Submit
noun
1.
a view or judgement formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.
"that, in my opinion, is right"
synonyms: belief, judgement, thought(s), school of thought, thinking, way of thinking, mind, point of view, view, viewpoint, outlook, angle, slant, side, attitude, stance, perspective, position, standpoint; More
2.
a statement of advice by an expert on a professional matter.
"if in doubt, get a second opinion"

Just in case you aren't sure what one is since I wasn't lecturing anyone but simply sharing my opinion, something that I'm entitled to do and something that isn't limited to people whose opinions you agree with.