[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Of course he didn't, if it wasn't for him Deborah would have knocked Ellie out and it all would have been worse. he was better than the bloody security

I was expecting Bots to praise him for stopping Deborah from hitting Ellie. Instead they went on about him gossiping. As if the others don't do it.,

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

What annoyed me is that they played down Lotan involvement and didn't even mention Ellie. While only talking about Raph. Urgh

Because the point being discussed *was* about Raph. Everything they said was correct.

They can't talk about every HM you want them to in every short discussion. They have to focus on a point, their time is extremely limited. In this case they chose to look at the part that Raph definitely played in the build up to this situation and how he played a big part in setting it up.

He deliberately worked to spread hate between the groups.

[Vanessa]

Something tells me they're trying to stop Raph from winning. But he's so nice the only negative thing they have about him is the gossiping

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Something tells me they're trying to stop Raph from winning. But he's so nice the only negative thing they have about him is the gossiping

I dont think they are trying to stop him winning by telling the obvious truth but Raph needs to be applauded because he has got most of this forum under his spell and the fall from grace and the aftermath and realisation that he has conned you all will be forum gold.

He is little more than a slimy little tell tale with a game plan that only includes **** stirring and forming a clique of outcasts and oddballs. His faux attention to supporting them is only an act that protects his own investment in keeping his underlings together. You dont need to be a rocket scientist to see this.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Something tells me they're trying to stop Raph from winning. But he's so nice the only negative thing they have about him is the gossiping

Is a commander responsible for putting his troops in to battle, or the individual soldiers. The commander always takes responsibility, and Raph was the commander. What the troops do on the battlefield, is their responsibility yes, but overall responsibility rests with raph

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Something tells me they're trying to stop Raph from winning. But he's so nice the only negative thing they have about him is the gossiping

Something tells me you're once again looking for any fake evidence that the show and production are against your favorite, so that way if/when they win you can go on and on about how much they had to overcome even though it was the most straightforward and obvious result for the past month.

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot

Something tells me you're once again looking for any fake evidence that the show and production are against your favorite, so that way if/when they win you can go on and on about how much they had to overcome even though it was the most straightforward and obvious result for the past month.

Whoops is that called a rinsing, im new to this.

[Robodog]

Judi James was right in highlighting what major part Raph plays in sh-t stirring

How he listens in on the garden gang than runs to Thorn cottage with the gossip, gets the others fired up: "oh you won't believe what I just heard them say about you, but don't say anything! Don't say I told you!" etc

Playground snitch.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Robodog

Judi James was right in highlighting what major part Raph plays in sh-t stirring

How he listens in on the garden gang than runs to Thorn cottage with the gossip, gets the others fired up: "oh you won't believe what I just heard them say about you, but don't say anything! Don't say I told you!" etc

Playground snitch.

That had nothing to do with Lotan throwing his drink to the girls.

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

That had nothing to do with Lotan throwing his drink to the girls.

I know

Judi James didn't blame him for that. She highlighted how much he stokes up everyone's fire in general, particularly those in Thorn cottage

[BBDodge]

Raph created the original divide but it's Isabelle and Savannah who are widening it, presumably some newbie tactic to cancel out the originals' advantage.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by BBDodge

Raph created the original divide but it's Isabelle and Savannah who are widening it, presumably some newbie tactic to cancel out the originals' advantage.

I agree. He hasn't caused the fight, Isabelle did with her comments and Lotan took it too far.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Whoops is that called a rinsing, im new to this.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I agree. He hasn't caused the fight

Raph spreads hate. Hate starts fights. It's pretty simple.