[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Don't you approve of the poorer parts of Ireland getting a financial boost then.

Where in my post did I suggest that?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Don't you approve of the poorer parts of Ireland getting a financial boost then.

The money isn't for NI, it's for the DUP.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Where in my post did I suggest that?

The DUP want the money to spend on improving run down infrastructures etc in Ireland don't they - are you suggesting the money will be spent on things other than the things they say they want it for. And if so a evidence!

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Are you really trying to suggest he wouldn't have been aware of AFD - he should have put the date in his diary. He didn't because he has no respect for our soldiers - he knew exactly what he was doing.

If he ever becomes PM he will pose a serious threat to our security. I can't believe how naive people can be.

Perhaps he is more concerned with helping the veterans of the armed forces on the other 364 days of the year rather than taking part in the self promoting parade that AFD has become for politicians?

AFD isn't for the veterans, it's for people to show off how 'kind and compassionate' they are by pretending to give a **** about the armed forces for the sake of social media and others. It's fake, it's lip service and it's shameful. If people honestly cared about the Armed Forces then they wouldn't have to make a show of it to impress others, they'd do something useful instead but where's the benefit in doing something charitable if they can't use it to show others how amazing they are?

Ugh.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Perhaps he is more concerned with helping the veterans of the armed forces on the other 364 days of the year rather than taking part in the self promoting parade that AFD has become for politicians?

AFD isn't for the veterans, it's for people to show off how 'kind and compassionate' they are by pretending to give a **** about the armed forces for the sake of social media and others. It's fake, it's lip service and it's shameful. If people honestly cared about the Armed Forces then they wouldn't have to make a show of it to impress others, they'd do something useful instead but where's the benefit in doing something charitable if they can't use it to show others how amazing they are?

Ugh.

What does he do on the other 364 days then! If you can't up with something one day will do.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

The DUP want the money to spend on improving run down infrastructures etc in Ireland don't they - are you suggesting the money will be spent on things other than the things they say they want it for. And if so a evidence!

Stop reading what you like into my posts please....

What they intend to use the money for is not the issue, all areas of every country in the UK are crying out for improvements due to austerity imposed cuts.

The fact is the govt only agreed to the funding to secure DUP votes, had there been no agreement on that there would be no funding. That is the issue here, the DUP were bribed to ensure the govt retained office.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Stop reading what you like into my posts please....

What they intend to use the money for is not the issue, all areas of every country in the UK are crying out for improvements due to austerity imposed cuts.

The fact is the govt only agreed to the funding to secure DUP votes, had there been no agreement on that there would be no funding. That is the issue here, the DUP were bribed to ensure the govt retained office.

If Sinn Fein were needed to support a Labour government would you have had a problem with that? Corbyn has supported them in the past - it could have, could still be a possibility at some point in the future.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

If Sinn Fein were needed to support a Labour government would you have had a problem with that? Corbyn has supported them in the past - it could have, could still be a possibility at some point in the future.

What has that to do with the issue of the bribe? It's yet another hypothetical.
There is no deal, Sinn Fein don't even take their seats in the commons and Labour don't have almost 2 billion of public money to give them :/

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

What does he do on the other 364 days then! If you can't up with something one day will do.

What's the point? If he goes people like you will find a reason to slate him for it. Better to do his own thing and do something useful then to try to appeal to the peacocks of society that only care about AFD because they think it makes them look good.

Lip service on one pointless day is easy, actually caring about the Armed Forces and doing something to help requires more effort that people who pretend to care about the Armed Forces simply aren't interested in doing.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

If Sinn Fein were needed to support a Labour government would you have had a problem with that? Corbyn has supported them in the past - it could have, could still be a possibility at some point in the future.

Someone brought this hypothetical up before and it doesn't work simply because Labour would never need a coalition with Sinn Fein while their goals align with that of the SNP and the Lib Dems.

Tories have gone for the DUP deal because no other party is willing to join up with them. The DUP were their last and only resort.

The idea of a Sinn Fein/Labour coalition just isn't likely at any point but if the damn near impossible were to happen then, yes, I'd oppose them just like I would the Tory/DUP deal because I'm not a hypocrite.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Someone brought this hypothetical up before and it doesn't work simply because Labour would never need a coalition with Sinn Fein while their goals align with that of the SNP and the Lib Dems.

Tories have gone for the DUP deal because no other party is willing to join up with them. The DUP were their last and only resort.

The idea of a Sinn Fein/Labour coalition just isn't likely at any point but if the damn near impossible were to happen then, yes, I'd oppose them just like I would the Tory/DUP deal because I'm not a hypocrite.

I appreciate an honest answer.

I think many feel that from a tory, politician and voter, point of view this country would be better off with a Tory/DUP alliance than a Labour government under Corbyn - that is not about being a terrorist sympathiser but about thinking about the lesser of two 'evils'.

The DUP support the tories they don't make all the decisions. I for one feel safer with them than I do with Corbyn in charge. It is not beyond the bounds of possibility that I could have been a Labour voter this time around with a different leader and depending on their manifesto promises on several issues - but definitely not under Corbyn. I simply don't trust him on several issues - but mainly on security and immigration, which in my view are related.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I appreciate an honest answer.

I think many feel that from a tory, politician and voter, point of view this country would be better off with a Tory/DUP alliance than a Labour government under Corbyn - that is not about being a terrorist sympathiser but about thinking about the lesser of two 'evils'.

The DUP support the tories they don't make all the decisions. I for one feel safer with them than I do with Corbyn in charge. It is not beyond the bounds of possibility that I could have been a Labour voter this time around with a different leader and depending on their manifesto promises on several issues - but definitely not under Corbyn. I simply don't trust him on several issues - but mainly on security and immigration, which in my view are related.

I think a large number of voters went for Tories as a protest vote against JC, I know first hand that a lot of people i know personally that voted Tory did so, not because they believe the Tories to be the best option but because they dislike Coybyn and that's a dangerous thing to do. It's an attitude I saw a lot online too.

Labour has made gains in the polls since the election and I'd guess that's because a fair few people regret voting Tory probably because they voted, not because they believed (or knew anythng about) Tory policy, but as a protest against Corbyn.

The £1bn bribe is a digusting power grab by the Tories and it's a sign of things to come, Tories preach austerity but will waste ridiculous amounts of public money to hold on to power.

TBH though, I'm living for the Coalition of Chaos as there's a delicious irony in all the things that JC's detractors said about him being made a reality by Theresa May. The voters that voted Tory because they hate JC are getting exactly what they deserve.

Anti and protest votes are never a good idea and hopefully the people who voted Tory for those reasons might learn from the mistakes over the next few years.

[DemolitionRed]

England, Scotland and Wales will no doubt feel relieved that they are going to continue to live under austerity and a bit more austerity in order to ensure Northern Ireland doesn't have to. I'm sure we will see it as completely reasonable that our public health sector workers continue to take pay cuts, that our NHS continues to be under funded, especially to ensure that this doesn't happen in Northern Ireland so they can vote with the tories to keep them in power. Nobody in England, Scotland or Wales is going to feel bitter about that at all.