[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Alf

Bored of this now, it was weeks ago.

There's still people who were hit by floods in Cumbria two years ago, that are still out of home, thankfully they're not still barking on about that everyday on the national news.

Then go start a thread for them maybe?

[Kizzy]

The corruption is slowly eeking out, the supplier of the cladding was on the board that ensured regulations?... no not surprised.

Done on the cheap , charge a load, everyone gets a bung.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7817936.html

I hope we keep marching till the corrupt twunts leave office!!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40468881

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by the truth

The cladding is the problem and its been applied illegally across the whole country in loads of councils , labour tory and others. Yes you can say the cutbacks to the public services should be discussed but would that have made a difference here to a 26 storey building with combustible cladding and one staircase and no sprinklers either?

Clearly we all know now every tower must have 2 staircases , sprinklers and none of this cladding

But to play the blame game from one party to another is a dangerous one here. I think corbyn is right to argue for more police and more firemen/women. But he and others must understand 1) How to pay for it and 2) How to reduce the insane waste of public resources across every council in the country which could also save billions

Councils and politicians simply do not work well enough together, the system is a hell of a mess, communication breakdowns everywhere, roads dug up endlessly, departments not communicating to one another, its all just so mindless...if anyone is to blame its the system itself

I think that you've probably said what I've been thinking for the most part anyway.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Then go start a thread for them maybe?

What's the point, when I can just post here?

It's not my problem that you don't like me criticising the national news. I'm quite happy to do it.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

The corruption is slowly eeking out, the supplier of the cladding was on the board that ensured regulations?... no not surprised.

Done on the cheap , charge a load, everyone gets a bung.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7817936.html

I hope we keep marching till the corrupt twunts leave office!!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40468881

Your motives are clearly political, so let's not pretend otherwise. It's painful to see.

[Kizzy]

If wanting justice is painful then yes I'm guilty.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Alf

What's the point, when I can just post here?

It's not my problem that you don't like me criticising the national news. I'm quite happy to do it.

I don't blame Corbyn for politicising the issue, some have a very short attention span, your boredom shows there is a small window to ensure enough sympathy for the victims to muster support for them in the fight to get justice.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Alf

Bored of this now, it was weeks ago.

There's still people who were hit by floods in Cumbria two years ago, that are still out of home, thankfully they're not still barking on about that everyday on the national news.

It was a terrible, terrible tradegy and every victim who survived and was an official resident in the tower should be rehoused locally in decent housing. I do however feel being given houses worth millions as a permanent home is perhaps a step too far.

Whilst Victims should also be financially compensated for loss of their belongings and the psychological suffering they have endured - being given a permanent residence of such value does feel like blood money - and I don't feel is an appropriate way to deal with such a tragedy.

As you say many other people have suffered such loses previously but this terrible incident is being used as a political tool to attack the government by many - including some of the victims and local residents in my opinion.

[Tom4784]

The government can and should be watched and criticised when necessary, honestly the whole attitude of 'we can't criticise the government!' is so goddamn worrying. The government should always be held accountable for their actions.

Grenfell was a major **** up and the government should be held responsible for it's inaction in preventing what was an easily preventable tragedy predicted by the residents months before it happened.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

It was a terrible, terrible tradegy and every victim who survived and was an official resident in the tower should be rehoused locally in decent housing. I do however feel being given houses worth millions as a permanent home is perhaps a step too far.

Whilst Victims should also be financially compensated for loss of their belongings and the psychological suffering they have endured - being given a permanent residence of such value does feel like blood money - and I don't feel is an appropriate way to deal with such a tragedy.

As you say many other people have suffered such loses previously but this terrible incident is being used as a political tool to attack the government by many - including some of the victims and local residents in my opinion.

My problem is just with the media, and the constant coverage they give the families to tell us how angry they are, when they wouldn't give the families of the kids blown to pieces the time of day, if they were/are angry. I wonder why that is?

There's an inquiry into this, let it take it's course.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Alf

My problem is just with the media, and the constant coverage they give the families to tell us how angry they are, when they wouldn't give the families of the kids blown to pieces the time of day, if they were/are angry. I wonder why that is?

There's an inquiry into this, let it take it's course.

Yeah the media are lapping it up and making things worse,we all know what's happened,a tragedy but do they really expect answers in a couple of weeks? it will take months if not longer,and people bashing on doors and shouting at everyone who is trying to sort it doesn't help either . It needs to take it's course ,then we might get truthful answers .

[LeatherTrumpet]

middle sized girl drove past it yesterday, sent a pic, looks haunting. The poor people who look out of that every day.

[arista]

[Amnesty for illegal Grenfell subletting

Anecdotal evidence suggests people were unlawfully subletting their properties in the tower and are reluctant to come forward.]


http://news.sky.com/story/grenfell-t...javid-10934448

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by arista

[Amnesty for illegal Grenfell subletting

Anecdotal evidence suggests people were unlawfully subletting their properties in the tower and are reluctant to come forward.]


http://news.sky.com/story/grenfell-t...javid-10934448

This needed to be done

[arista]

The problem is some sub letters
will not come forward
So those Deaths could remain - unknowns

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by arista

The problem is some sub letters
will not come forward
So those Deaths could remain - unknowns

Yeah I would imagine it would affect the terms under which they bought the property, or their mortgage or insurance, it is being done, so they need this amnesty to get the true figures of how many died