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Old 08-08-2017, 01:07 PM   #3601
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Could the "she would give me a ship and wish me well" bit with Missandei be foreshadowing? I think Tyrion might ask to leave Dragonstone with Jon and head for Winterfell, and if so, he might request that they take Jaime with them...

I strongly suspect that anyone who holds a Valerian Steel weapon is destined to fight White Walkers, and Jaime has one.

Or..... As he gifted his original one to Brienne..... Might he gift Widow's Wail to Bronn for saving his life?

I mean there's also the Tarly sword that Sam has, someone else will surely be using that at some point. I can't see Sam himself flailing around with it... He can barely lift it .
I enjoyed Jon's "Do you really believe that?". Sorry, but if her Unsullied Army suddenly woke up and decided they wanted to leave then I doubt she will be all smiles and "enjoy your freedom" . I think that's all it was though, for so long we have been fed the Saviour of Slaves line so we had an outsider's view of it for once.
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I enjoyed Jon's "Do you really believe that?". Sorry, but if her Unsullied Army suddenly woke up and decided they wanted to leave then I doubt she will be all smiles and "enjoy your freedom" . I think that's all it was though, for so long we have been fed the Saviour of Slaves line so we had an outsider's view of it for once.
True. To be fair I think she would let her go if she wanted to, but she's just one person who she considers a friend. Probably any one person, or small group, she would wish we'll and allow to leave. But if it was a whole army that suddenly decided to go home, she would likely declare them all deserters and threaten to burn their ships if they left. She wouldn't allow anything that would disadvantage her war efforts.

She seems sort of "done" with Tyrion though and would probably let him head north.
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Old 08-08-2017, 03:09 PM   #3603
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I expect next weeks episode to be even better than this weeks one.

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We have confirmation from Bran that the army of the dead are heading to Eastwatch By the Sea, the Hound also saw this in his vision and this is where him and the Brotherhood have been heading for a couple of episodes, and is also were Jon sent Tormund and the Wildlings. The episode is also called Eastwatch, meaning that we're very likely to get our first battle of the season with the white walkers. Really don't expect any of the characters present to make it out of that alive tbh.
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Old 08-08-2017, 03:32 PM   #3604
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Bran was a prick to Meera, but he seemed abit more himself when he gave the dagger to Arya and let her wheel him back inside. I think people are sleeping on how ****ed anyone's mind can be in his position at times.
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There is one thing that's starting to bother me now I think about it, Daenerys momentarily turning on Varys and then Tyrion in the last two episodes felt quite off and unnatural like it was done for the convenience of the plot rather than being authentic to the character.

Not here for them randomly kickstarting a Mad Queen storyline for Daenerys in this season when they've largely dealt with the whole 'Is she as mad as her dad?' question in the last two seasons quite extensively and put it to bed.
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I expect next weeks episode to be even better than this weeks one.

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We have confirmation from Bran that the army of the dead are heading to Eastwatch By the Sea, the Hound also saw this in his vision and this is where him and the Brotherhood have been heading for a couple of episodes, and is also were Jon sent Tormund and the Wildlings. The episode is also called Eastwatch, meaning that we're very likely to get our first battle of the season with the white walkers. Really don't expect any of the characters present to make it out of that alive tbh.
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TBH I'd love it if the walkers just killed literally everyone in a battle (obviously not the main one with all the key characters) but in this one you have mentioned.

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Old 08-08-2017, 04:14 PM   #3607
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with dragons it's a bloodbath and a massacre


but with men to men fights, at least everyone has a fair chance, and the strongest will survive that
This is literally the dumbest thing I've ever read
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Old 08-08-2017, 04:18 PM   #3608
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Old 08-08-2017, 04:31 PM   #3609
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Yeah she's a coward imo tbh
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Old 08-08-2017, 04:58 PM   #3610
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Yeah she's a coward imo tbh
I'd agree if she wasn't riding on the dragon herself putting herself in danger.

Otherwise everyone could be called a coward for massacaring people. The Lannisters have all done it, including Jamie
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The Stark's, Lannister's, and Baratheon's are the only non cowards really. Robb, Jon and Ned are all military men and always in the thick of the battles they were/are involved in. Stannis and Robert always involved. Jaime had the chance to desert in the recent episode but wouldn't abandon his men, and Tyrion stepped up and commanded the men in King's Landing when nobody else would during the Battle of Blackwater.

Some of the Greyjoy's as well I suppose but then they also have the biggest coward in the entire series so it balances itself out
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Old 08-08-2017, 05:23 PM   #3612
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Old 08-08-2017, 05:24 PM   #3613
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I just want two of the Dragons to die already. It's getting boring really. Keep Drogon and the other two can die in Battle soon please. One Dragon is still a huge thing, but it's not just a ridiculously overpowered team then. It's also ridiculous that we couldn't have one scene of Ghost before Jon set off due to how much of the budget the Dragons eat up too.


As for the Dany debate. If she has Dragons then it's stupid not to use them, but I do find it weird that some people online were actually mad at Bronn for shooting the thing like it's a harmless puppy. That said, it would be cool if we have a scene where Dany gets knocked off her Dragon and we see something like this.



Although she would obviously be a dead woman without being saved, it would be nice for Jon to see if she truly is The Queen worth bending the knee for.
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Old 08-08-2017, 05:26 PM   #3614
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i don't think Dany is physically that strong to fight herself
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Old 08-08-2017, 05:27 PM   #3615
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About 60% of the characters don't actually fight themselves so who cares
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Old 08-08-2017, 05:28 PM   #3616
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So Nicky's bitching about women isn't limited to reality shows then.
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i don't think Dany is physically that strong to fight herself
Arya is smaller and it seems could beat most of the other characters one-on-one (possibly all?? Excluding Jaqen who would take her back to school...)

Dany is just lazy, she needs to get herself some assassin training. What's she been doing all these years? Sitting on her arse and riding about on dragons, that's what.
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At what point was Daenerys meant to train to actually be in battle? When she was sold as a slave bride? When she was wondering around in the red waste? When her dragons were kidnapped in quarth? When she was freeing slaves in slavers bay? When people in her city were being murdered by the son of the harpies? of course she's going to use the dragons as her weapons
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Surprised at the Dany hate, in a show full of characters that have done far, far worse things, and characters that have been far, far lazier.

I don't see the problem with using dragons either. She has dragons, she's not going to pet them and keep them in her living room now is she.

When it comes to Jamie and Bronn. I don't mind Jamie being kept alive for now, as there's interesting things that could be explored. Bronn though... the amount of times he survived death in those scenes was laughable. Very nice of the Dothraki to give him time to load, aim and reshoot some big ass device to try and kill a dragon twice also. I like Bronn, but the way he lived through all those scenes just came across as bad writing to me.
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Surprised at the Dany hate, in a show full of characters that have done far, far worse things, and characters that have been far, far lazier.

I don't see the problem with using dragons either. She has dragons, she's not going to pet them and keep them in her living room now is she.

When it comes to Jamie and Bronn. I don't mind Jamie being kept alive for now, as there's interesting things that could be explored. Bronn though... the amount of times he survived death in those scenes was laughable. Very nice of the Dothraki to give him time to load, aim and reshoot some big ass device to try and kill a dragon twice also. I like Bronn, but the way he lived through all those scenes just came across as bad writing to me.
Same can be said about how Dany was able to come on ground and try and fight that arrow out of Drogon without catching a single hit from any of the many survivors that were shown in the preview of next episode. Or why Jaime didn't just throw the Spear at her Chest as soon as she turned around instead of wanting to stab her with it and giving Drogon vital seconds to perk up.

Even Game of Thrones has plot armour to an extent. Bronn is the most likely person to try and create a meeting between Jaime and Tyrion or Dany's people as he has no reason to be in this war other than an easy payday and then the fact that he's been beyond the wall "for work" means there is a strong chance he can believe Jon if he asked Jaime for help in the Winter War.
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Same can be said about how Dany was able to come on ground and try and fight that arrow out of Drogon without catching a single hit from any of the many survivors that were shown in the preview of next episode. Or why Jaime didn't just throw the Spear at her Chest as soon as she turned around instead of wanting to stab her with it and giving Drogon vital seconds to perk up.

Even Game of Thrones has plot armour to an extent. Bronn is the most likely person to try and create a meeting between Jaime and Tyrion or Dany's people as he has no reason to be in this war other than an easy payday and then the fact that he's been beyond the wall "for work" means there is a strong chance he can believe Jon if he asked Jaime for help in the Winter War.
Jamie is right handed, he couldn't have thrown with his left hand which is why he was charging with it, tbf I wouldn't want to attack someone who is next to and being protected by a dragon either so I could give the lanister soilders a break there
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By the time the dragon hit the ground, the Lannister army was basically fleeing / in disarray (as seen when Jaime was looking around the battlefield). The battle was already over, no normal soldier was going to suddenly decide to kamikaze Daenerys and Drogon. Except Jaime who felt he had nothing to lose and just saw red at his defeat.

But yes, none of the many thousands of Dothraki bothering to stop Bronn and the ballista was a bit of a plot hole. As soon as it was fired for the first time they'd have been all over him too. Easy fix too; they could just have made it that Dany spotted him from the air and started heading for him, and his first (and only) shot hit. It would be much more believable that he wasn't noticed setting it up... Rather than after actually firing the thing.
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