[Brother Leon]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Se I don't really get this. Supporting him is not 'adoration'. Yes some do go too far, as do many May supporters...but generally no. Yet anyone who supports/votes for Corbyn is written off as a 'Corbynista' and accused of OTT adoration and such.

It comes from people who are just mad that young people have found an interest in politics again due to someone they don't agree with and that they may not have it all their own way now..

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Se I don't really get this. Supporting him is not 'adoration'. Yes some do go too far, as do many May supporters...but generally no. Yet anyone who supports/votes for Corbyn is written off as a 'Corbynista' and accused of OTT adoration and such.



Why are people ashamed to admit they vote (or support) Tory? Never understood that. Its a bit odd to constantly defend the Tories, then claim to not support the Tories Sooo many people do this so its not necessarily aimed at you but I find it really weird how so many clear Tory supporters claim not to support them...

If I supported them I wouldn't mind admitting it. As I've said before I don't really support either of the main parties I'm somewhere in the middle politically, probably more of a socialist if anything but I don't want to go back to the socialism of the 70s and 80s. I try to be fair though. There has to be a balance and both parties have their place because every democracy must have an opposition or it becomes a dictatorship. I find politics on the whole interesting.

I like Hilary Benn though we don't agree on the EU. I don't like Jeremy Corbyn and the way they were worshipping him in song at the labour party conference was very creepy. I can't stand Diane Abbot. May is not a good leader. I didn't want her when Cameron went, then she gave a few good speeches then it went to hell in a handcart.

I like Reese Mogg on Europe and he is fairly honest about who he is but beyond that he (and nanny) seem out of step with the times and his religion doesn't help my opinion, though if we can have a Muslim mayor then I don't think it's fair to hold what he bends a knee to in private against him. If people's beliefs are out in politics then it has to be a fair playing field. You can't hate on Reese Mogg because his beliefs are uncomfortable with homosexuality and then ignore a mayor who also has beliefs that are uncomfortable with it. Most established religions are anti homosexuality.

I don't mind Boris and I think he is often unfairly misquoted though obviously he is a Tory and so you get everything that comes with that side of politics.

So there you go though no one will likely read this beyond my liking Reese Mogg on Europe and will keep on saying I'm a Tory. I don't really care except that it's a bit disappointing that people don't really read your words and make assumptions based on their own prejudice.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by jaxie

When have I ever claimed to be a Tory supporter?

You clearly stuck in some political right wing closet because you always align your support with right-wing members and you're the first to jump in and mock (in a very insulting way) people who align themselves with Corbyn.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Alf

Corbyn's peculiar achievement has been to make the Labour core even more middle class than it was under Blair. Somehow a party founded to represent the working classes is now a party of the bitter bourgeoisie. The conference won't even discuss Brexit, the thing their working-class voters want most. Because they don't really care what working-class voters want. It's the hip, urban, well-off youths who think they're Marxists but behave like Stalinists that Labour now courts. Truth hurts!

Bredan O'Neill

Point on. Blair number 2.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

You clearly stuck in some political right wing closet because you always align your support with right-wing members and you're the first to jump in and mock (in a very insulting way) people who align themselves with Corbyn.

She is an honest poster in my opinion. She agrees/disagrees with whatever it happens to be regardless of politics. That is the way it should be.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

So basically it's just your opinion he has a problem with the Jewish and you have no other basis for your accusation that he is a nazi?

Forgive me for never taking you or anything you say seriously again. You are of course entitled to your opinion, but be aware that when you admit it comes from a place of pure ignorance, like you just have, it doesn't inspire anyone to engage with you.

He is doing little to nothing to stamp out anti-Semitism in his party and that is very telling.

[jaxie]

[QUOTE=DemolitionRed;9647205]You clearly stuck in some political right wing closet because you always align your support with right-wing members and you're the first to jump in and mock (in a very insulting way) people who align themselves with Corbyn.[/QUOTE

I don't view people as right or left wing on the whole. I 'align' with members who treat me with courtesy. I don't tend to gravitate to those constantly on the attack. But do feel free to judge me. I bet if you go back you can't find any insulting, mocking words from me about other members in context and where they haven't attacked me first. Feel free to try.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by jaxie

If I supported them I wouldn't mind admitting it. As I've said before I don't really support either of the main parties I'm somewhere in the middle politically, probably more of a socialist if anything but I don't want to go back to the socialism of the 70s and 80s. I try to be fair though. There has to be a balance and both parties have their place because every democracy must have an opposition or it becomes a dictatorship. I find politics on the whole interesting.

I like Hilary Benn though we don't agree on the EU. I don't like Jeremy Corbyn and the way they were worshipping him in song at the labour party conference was very creepy. I can't stand Diane Abbot. May is not a good leader. I didn't want her when Cameron went, then she gave a few good speeches then it went to hell in a handcart.

I like Reese Mogg on Europe and he is fairly honest about who he is but beyond that he (and nanny) seem out of step with the times and his religion doesn't help my opinion, though if we can have a Muslim mayor then I don't think it's fair to hold what he bends a knee to in private against him. If people's beliefs are out in politics then it has to be a fair playing field. You can't hate on Reese Mogg because his beliefs are uncomfortable with homosexuality and then ignore a mayor who also has beliefs that are uncomfortable with it. Most established religions are anti homosexuality.

I don't mind Boris and I think he is often unfairly misquoted though obviously he is a Tory and so you get everything that comes with that side of politics.

So there you go though no one will likely read this beyond my liking Reese Mogg on Europe and will keep on saying I'm a Tory. I don't really care except that it's a bit disappointing that people don't really read your words and make assumptions based on their own prejudice.

These I definitely agree with.

Can't stand Rees-Mogg personally. His dinosaur views annoy me so much.

I actually thought Cameron was a decent leader, despite disagreeing with most Tory policies. Was not impressed when he basically ran away after the EU vote. May is weak, and a terrible leader.

Corbyn I kind of flip flop on but he is the best choice (for me anyway) at the moment. A lot of his views are a bit ridiculous though. One example being...this female only carriages on trains idea. But at the same time, he reckons 'self identification' should go ahead. So basically..we need female only carriages on trains to keep females safe BUT males can 'self identify' their way into these female only carriages. Totally mental. I was on a mumsnet webchat with him a few months back and he was ridiculous. Avoided many many questions about people fear of womens rights being eroded and instead chose to answer stupid questions about what his favourite biscuit was and so on.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

These I definitely agree with.

Can't stand Rees-Mogg personally. His dinosaur views annoy me so much.

I actually thought Cameron was a decent leader, despite disagreeing with most Tory policies. Was not impressed when he basically ran away after the EU vote. May is weak, and a terrible leader.

Corbyn I kind of flip flop on but he is the best choice (for me anyway) at the moment. A lot of his views are a bit ridiculous though. One example being...this female only carriages on trains idea. But at the same time, he reckons 'self identification' should go ahead. So basically..we need female only carriages on trains to keep females safe BUT males can 'self identify' their way into these female only carriages. Totally mental. I was on a mumsnet webchat with him a few months back and he was ridiculous. Avoided many many questions about people fear of womens rights being eroded and instead chose to answer stupid questions about what his favourite biscuit was and so on.

Sounds about right. Every bit the 'avoider' as May when it suits.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

These I definitely agree with.

Can't stand Rees-Mogg personally. His dinosaur views annoy me so much.

I actually thought Cameron was a decent leader, despite disagreeing with most Tory policies. Was not impressed when he basically ran away after the EU vote. May is weak, and a terrible leader.

Corbyn I kind of flip flop on but he is the best choice (for me anyway) at the moment. A lot of his views are a bit ridiculous though. One example being...this female only carriages on trains idea. But at the same time, he reckons 'self identification' should go ahead. So basically..we need female only carriages on trains to keep females safe BUT males can 'self identify' their way into these female only carriages. Totally mental. I was on a mumsnet webchat with him a few months back and he was ridiculous. Avoided many many questions about people fear of womens rights being eroded and instead chose to answer stupid questions about what his favourite biscuit was and so on.

I completely agree on Cameron and May. If you read what I said on Reese Mogg we more or less agree on his views. I also think Corbyn is ridiculous. What I want is something better and I'm not going to get on board the Corbyn train just because that is the anti Tory view.

Oh and I don't believe in Satan but Thatcher came close.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

She is an honest poster in my opinion. She agrees/disagrees with whatever it happens to be regardless of politics. That is the way it should be.

You two are stuck together like birds of a feather. That's not an insult, its just how it is. I could take bets on who sticks with who on here including myself. I think like a handful of posters on here and so, of course, I'm going to agree and support what 'we' believe in.

And believe me, its all political.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Sounds about right. Every bit the 'avoider' as May when it suits.

If you have a few hours, here is the attempt

https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/mumsnet...-Sept-2pm?pg=3

Ignored every question about womens rights, and a lot of other important questions in favour of 'fluffy' questions...and even the ones he did 'answer' he didn't really answer. It certainly made my support waver a bit the way he refused to acknowledge one of the biggest threats to womens rights there has been for a LONG time.

https://www.newstatesman.com/politic...-avoid-mumsnet

Corbyn has promised a majority women cabinet, but Mumsnet users want to know exactly what he means by women in the first place. He was asked about transgender identity and all-women shortlists, with Hellochicken wanting to know:

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

You two are stuck together like birds of a feather. That's not an insult, its just how it is. I could take bets on who sticks with who on here including myself. I think like a handful of posters on here and so, of course, I'm going to agree and support what 'we' believe in.

And believe me, its all political.

Are you kidding. It is hardly difficult to predict what posters will stick with you on here. Pot and kettle.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

She is an honest poster in my opinion. She agrees/disagrees with whatever it happens to be regardless of politics. That is the way it should be.

Thanks Brillo.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

You two are stuck together like birds of a feather. That's not an insult, its just how it is. I could take bets on who sticks with who on here including myself. I think like a handful of posters on here and so, of course, I'm going to agree and support what 'we' believe in.

And believe me, its all political.

Look at who is on the attack and making accusations. It isn't me.

[DemolitionRed]

Right now, the only thing that really worries me is our failing economy. My husband told me off when I cheered May for suggesting she'd adopt some Corbynomics (she didn't admit it was Labours ideas) and I said to him, I don't care who the fk it is that gets us out of this mess, so long as someone does.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Thanks Brillo.

You better watch it Jaxie, you may well get called 'right-wing' for 'associating' with a 'right-wing' poster.

I have so-called 'right wing' views on some things and not on others. That does not a 'nazi' make despite such drivel on here stating otherwise. Some people really don't seem to understand the difference between right-wing and ALT right-wing.

When will people learn that to overuse a word waters down its meaning and undermines the horrors of Nazi Germany in the Second World war. That is something I find pretty damn sad.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

You better watch it Jaxie, you may well get called 'right-wing' for 'associating' with a 'right-wing' poster.

I have so-called 'right wing' views on some things and not on others. That does not a 'nazi' make despite such drivel on here stating otherwise. Some people really don't seem to understand the difference between right-wing and ALT right-wing.

When will people learn that to overuse a word waters down its meaning and undermines the horrors of Nazi Germany in the Second World war. That is something I find pretty damn sad.

Well yes. On this very thread we have had people called 'nazis' for....nothing really. It does water down the horrors, you are correct.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Look at who is on the attack and making accusations. It isn't me.

So you didn't say this?

Originally Posted by jaxie

Corbyn is like that weed in the garden you just can't seem to get rid of. All the adoration of him comes across as really weird and creepy. They even sing a little song about him now at the conference and he has a Toby jug. Catching some of it on TV was like stepping into the twilight zone. All I can say is Labour has some pretty slick marketing to make Bill and Ben's playmate so adored by his fan club.

I took that as all of us who support Corbyn are weird and creepy. You just said it in a roundabout way because you are not allowed to directly offend members. Did I find those words insulting? you bet I did but because of the clever way it was worded, you, as always, get away with it.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

So you didn't say this?

I took that as all of us who support Corbyn are weird and creepy. You just said it in a roundabout way because you are not allowed to directly offend members. Did I find those words insulting? you bet I did but because of the clever way it was worded, you, as always, get away with it.

I'm going to address this and being honest with you I'm not going to respond to you further on this thread because I think you are looking for an argument and I don't wish to participate.

1. That was a statement of fact. I wasn't on the attack. If you see mocking or insult in that sentence then I can't help that.

2. I was clearly talking about the conference, that is not talking about forum members. I can honestly say I've never heard you singing 'Oh Jeremy Corbyn' on here or mentioning your toby jug purchase.

You have to realise that how you take something is about you, not necessarily about the intent of someone else.