[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Rape with an object comes under 'sexual assault by penetration' and the sentences are the same as they are for rape. Infact rape with an object is much more likely to result in a conviction, as the person who did it can't really claim that it was consensual and lie their ass off as noone would consent to, for example, a broken bottle shoved into their anus.

If someone is prosecuted for rape, they are a male. No doubt about it. Given how our laws work. Which is why its so annoying to see the endless stories in the press about 'woman prosecuted for rape' when one look at the photo tells you its a bloke who dresses up as a woman. Or just a bloke who has told people he is a woman and its been reported as that on nothing.

Bloody hell. I knew law was one hell of a dense subject but my god I can't keep track.

[the truth]

ONLY 5.7% of accusations lead to convictions out of around 200,000 accusations a year
That means 94.3% do not have enough evidence or are simply lies ? 94.3% of 200,000 is 188000 allegations with no evidence
188000? The whole business of victim mentality and fake accusations is a particularly feminine issue. Men have massively lower rates of false allegations.
As reported 8% in the usa in a year were proven false which is over 50,000 per annum known liars
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape

https://rapecrisis.org.uk/statistics.php

now before the false outrage begind, rape is disgusting rapists are vile and should be locked away for a very long time. we all agree on that. But false alelgations are also vile and disgusting and under reported. The fact 8% are proven liars destroying 50,000 lives a year is a massive issue which destroys everything. the innocents lives and their families. It waste billions of tax payers money across the usa the uk and around the western world. It destroys confidence in rape claimants. The sheer enormity of numbers of women making fake false ro vastly exaggerated accusations is extraordinary, especially in the case of famous men where often they seek attention and money.
It is clearly an epidemic and both sides must be reported before this bankrupts our police service and destroys more innocent men and their families and also destroys the chances of real rape victims chances of getting justice

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by the truth

ONLY 5.7% of accusations lead to convictions out of around 200,000 accusations a year
That means 94.3% do not have enough evidence or are simply lies ? 94.3% of 200,000 is 188000 allegations with no evidence
188000? The whole business of victim mentality and fake accusations is a particularly feminine issue. Men have massively lower rates of false allegations.
As reported 8% in the usa in a year were proven false which is over 50,000 per annum known liars
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape

https://rapecrisis.org.uk/statistics.php

now before the false outrage begind, rape is disgusting rapists are vile and should be locked away for a very long time. we all agree on that. But false alelgations are also vile and disgusting and under reported. The fact 8% are proven liars destroying 50,000 lives a year is a massive issue which destroys everything. the innocents lives and their families. It waste billions of tax payers money across the usa the uk and around the western world. It destroys confidence in rape claimants. The sheer enormity of numbers of women making fake false ro vastly exaggerated accusations is extraordinary, especially in the case of famous men where often they seek attention and money.
It is clearly an epidemic and both sides must be reported before this bankrupts our police service and destroys more innocent men and their families and also destroys the chances of real rape victims chances of getting justice

Not having enough evidence does not mean the woman lied. But of course you would think it does.

Where does this 8% figure come from? I already asked this as I could not find it.

Its not as much of an epidemic as the amount of males who rape and sexually assault, yet for some odd reason I don't see you getting all worked up about that?

You focus on men getting their families and lives destroyed, yet I see nothing about how a male raping someone (male or female) also destroys lives.

You also seem to assume, that those done for rape, are always done for raping women. This is not the case at all.

https://qz.com/980766/the-truth-abou...e-accusations/

Let’s start with the idea that false rape accusations ruin lives, and are therefore a universal risk to men. Generally, feminists dismiss this idea by arguing that false accusations are rare—only between 2% and 10% of all reports are estimated to be false. What’s equally important to know, however, is that false rape accusations almost never have serious consequences.

It’s exceedingly rare for a false rape allegation to end in prison time. This may be hard to believe, especially considering that rape is a felony, punishable with years of prison. However—to start with this worst-case scenario—it’s exceedingly rare for a false rape allegation to end in prison time. According to the National Registry of Exonerations, since records began in 1989, in the US there are only 52 cases where men convicted of sexual assault were exonerated because it turned out they were falsely accused. By way of comparison, in the same period, there are 790 cases in which people were exonerated for murder.

Furthermore, in the most detailed study ever conducted of sexual assault reports to police, undertaken for the British Home Office in the early 2000s, out of 216 complaints that were classified as false, only 126 had even gotten to the stage where the accuser lodged a formal complaint. Only 39 complainants named a suspect. Only six cases led to an arrest, and only two led to charges being brought before they were ultimately deemed false. (Here, as elsewhere, it has to be assumed that some unknown percentage of the cases classified as false actually involved real rapes; what they don’t involve is countless innocent men’s lives being ruined.)

So the evidence suggests that even in the rare case where a man is the subject of a false rape complaint, chances are that the charges will be dropped without him ever learning about the allegations. This raises an obvious question: Why would false accusers go through the trouble of making a report to police, only to instantly withdraw it?

I hope this makes you feel better about those 'thousands' of innocent male lives being ruined truth. Maybe now we can focus anger at the thousands of males who DO actually rape other people (again, male and female)

Its actually interesting, that there are more false murder charges, than false sexual assault charges...52 cases in nearly 30 years where a male was falsely imprisoned for rape. Versus 709 people ion the same time that were falsely imprisoned for murder.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Not having enough evidence does not mean the woman lied. But of course you would think it does.

Where does this 8% figure come from? I already asked this as I could not find it.

Its not as much of an epidemic as the amount of males who rape and sexually assault, yet for some odd reason I don't see you getting all worked up about that?

You focus on men getting their families and lives destroyed, yet I see nothing about how a male raping someone (male or female) also destroys lives.

You also seem to assume, that those done for rape, are always done for raping women. This is not the case at all.

https://qz.com/980766/the-truth-abou...e-accusations/





I hope this makes you feel better about those 'thousands' of innocent male lives being ruined truth. Maybe now we can focus anger at the thousands of males who DO actually rape other people (again, male and female)

Its actually interesting, that there are more false murder charges, than false sexual assault charges...52 cases in nearly 30 years where a male was falsely imprisoned for rape. Versus 709 people ion the same time that were falsely imprisoned for murder.

Ive given you this twice already
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape

in the United States, the FBI Uniform Crime Report in 1996 and the United States Department of Justice in 1997 reported that 8% of accusations for forcible rape had been through investigation determined to be false

8% to be known false cases is a staggering amount, tens of thousands of innocent people and their families destroyed by lies and gossip

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Not having enough evidence does not mean the woman lied. But of course you would think it does.

Where does this 8% figure come from? I already asked this as I could not find it.

Its not as much of an epidemic as the amount of males who rape and sexually assault, yet for some odd reason I don't see you getting all worked up about that?

You focus on men getting their families and lives destroyed, yet I see nothing about how a male raping someone (male or female) also destroys lives.

You also seem to assume, that those done for rape, are always done for raping women. This is not the case at all.

https://qz.com/980766/the-truth-abou...e-accusations/





I hope this makes you feel better about those 'thousands' of innocent male lives being ruined truth. Maybe now we can focus anger at the thousands of males who DO actually rape other people (again, male and female)

Its actually interesting, that there are more false murder charges, than false sexual assault charges...52 cases in nearly 30 years where a male was falsely imprisoned for rape. Versus 709 people ion the same time that were falsely imprisoned for murder.

what you are saying here is also untrue and ignores the FACT 94% of rape accusations are chucked out for little or no evidence or siimply proven to be lies delusions or made up. 94% is a staggering figure which is of 188,000 innocent men falsely accused per year , their lives destryed by lies and gossip. 188,000 per year in the UK alone. Now you choose to ignore that as you choose to look at this purely from the female perspective which is cold and cruel and simply dishonest. Yes out of the 188000 thrown out I am certan there are thousands who are guilty but there isnt enough evidence. but in a civilies society you must have evidence and it must go through the courts otherwise what do we have? anarchy? trial by gossip ? trial by media by twitter? by facebook? a kangaroo court when men get beaten up or killed or gossip spread by false accusers?

how would you feel if you or your loved ones were falsely accused your reputations and lives destroyed by a woman who simply lied? exaggerated? maybe through revenge or delusions or mental health issues etc etc etc
The other side of this is NOT being fully reported in this dumbed down black or white politically correct radically feminized culture

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by the truth

what you are saying here is also untrue and ignores the FACT 94% of rape accusations are chucked out for little or no evidence or siimply proven to be lies delusions or made up. 94% is a staggering figure which is of 188,000 innocent men falsely accused per year , their lives destryed by lies and gossip. 188,000 per year in the UK alone. Now you choose to ignore that as you choose to look at this purely from the female perspective which is cold and cruel and simply dishonest. Yes out of the 188000 thrown out I am certan there are thousands who are guilty but there isnt enough evidence. but in a civilies society you must have evidence and it must go through the courts otherwise what do we have? anarchy? trial by gossip ? trial by media by twitter? by facebook? a kangaroo court when men get beaten up or killed or gossip spread by false accusers?

how would you feel if you or your loved ones were falsely accused your reputations and lives destroyed by a woman who simply lied? exaggerated? maybe through revenge or delusions or mental health issues etc etc etc
The other side of this is NOT being fully reported in this dumbed down black or white politically correct radically feminized culture

Thats a no then. A no to looking at proven evidence. Great and unsurprising.

Again, not enough evidence does not mean that the allegation was false. And if something was proven to be lies/delusion the accuser would be prosecuted.

I just refuse to believe the ridiculous rape myths that claim that women who just regret having sex will 'cry rape', given they would be subjecting themselves to internal exams, very personal questions and likely their entire sexual history being dragged up in court as some kind of defense, because of course if a woman has had sex in the past that means that she is always available for sex. Someone who regretted having sex would just want to forget all about it, not drag it out for months and months and let the world know about it.

Again, you say 94% are chucked out with no evidence which means the person made it up and it was proven. If this is the case, why are more people not done for wasting police time? 109 women in 5 years were done for this as their claims were proven false. Do you really think that the court, the police and such just 'let them off' in false claims? They seem to take them very seriously given ALL women who were done for this were prosecuted. Infact, being proven to have a false claim seems to be taken even more seriously than actually raping someone.

Any woman who lies about this is an utter twat and deserves a long sentence. But I also think the same of men who do rape, of which there are thousands more of them.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Thats a no then. A no to looking at proven evidence. Great and unsurprising.

Again, not enough evidence does not mean that the allegation was false. And if something was proven to be lies/delusion the accuser would be prosecuted.

I just refuse to believe the ridiculous rape myths that claim that women who just regret having sex will 'cry rape', given they would be subjecting themselves to internal exams, very personal questions and likely their entire sexual history being dragged up in court as some kind of defense, because of course if a woman has had sex in the past that means that she is always available for sex. Someone who regretted having sex would just want to forget all about it, not drag it out for months and months and let the world know about it.

Again, you say 94% are chucked out with no evidence which means the person made it up and it was proven. If this is the case, why are more people not done for wasting police time? 109 women in 5 years were done for this as their claims were proven false. Do you really think that the court, the police and such just 'let them off' in false claims? They seem to take them very seriously given ALL women who were done for this were prosecuted. Infact, being proven to have a false claim seems to be taken even more seriously than actually raping someone.

Any woman who lies about this is an utter twat and deserves a long sentence. But I also think the same of men who do rape, of which there are thousands more of them.

Not to mention this is not the 1950s - why would a woman be concerned about regretting having sex to the point she made a false allegation. There is no shame in women making such mistakes any more. If you have regrets you just move on. What’s done is done.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Thats a no then. A no to looking at proven evidence. Great and unsurprising.

Again, not enough evidence does not mean that the allegation was false. And if something was proven to be lies/delusion the accuser would be prosecuted.

I just refuse to believe the ridiculous rape myths that claim that women who just regret having sex will 'cry rape', given they would be subjecting themselves to internal exams, very personal questions and likely their entire sexual history being dragged up in court as some kind of defense, because of course if a woman has had sex in the past that means that she is always available for sex. Someone who regretted having sex would just want to forget all about it, not drag it out for months and months and let the world know about it.

Again, you say 94% are chucked out with no evidence which means the person made it up and it was proven. If this is the case, why are more people not done for wasting police time? 109 women in 5 years were done for this as their claims were proven false. Do you really think that the court, the police and such just 'let them off' in false claims? They seem to take them very seriously given ALL women who were done for this were prosecuted. Infact, being proven to have a false claim seems to be taken even more seriously than actually raping someone.

Any woman who lies about this is an utter twat and deserves a long sentence. But I also think the same of men who do rape, of which there are thousands more of them.

Its a yes I have provided you proof and evidence and links but you like to ignore proof evidence you prefer to listen to listen and believe and spread unsubstantiated vile gossip

[Tom4784]

As the stats have shown, genuine cases of false claims like this one are quite rare. I'm glad she got convicted but I hate how stories like this can have the opposite effect and make people less likely to seek justice for rape for fear of being accused of lying.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

As the stats have shown, genuine cases of false claims like this one are quite rare. I'm glad she got convicted but I hate how stories like this can have the opposite effect and make people less likely to seek justice for rape for fear of being accused of lying.

That is simply untrue

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by the truth

Ive given you this twice already
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape

in the United States, the FBI Uniform Crime Report in 1996 and the United States Department of Justice in 1997 reported that 8% of accusations for forcible rape had been through investigation determined to be false

8% to be known false cases is a staggering amount, tens of thousands of innocent people and their families destroyed by lies and gossip

Ah right Wikipedia. Sorry :S

Apparently false claims are estimated at between 2 and 10% so I am willing to take your 8%

Are you willing to read the link I posted, about how only 52 men, since 1989, were imprisoned for false accusations of sexual assault (accusers both male and female)

Or are you just going to continue saying that thousands of innocent male lives are ruined, when all evidence shows this is not the case?

Originally Posted by the truth

That is simply untrue

They are astonishingly rare. Especially to get to a court room with a false allegation. And especially compared to the number of men who do actually rape (again, these men rape both men and women)

2 false cases a year make it to the court stage. And even with these 2 cases, its not to be assumed that the person complaining (does not state if male or female, could be either) was actually raped and just accused the wrong person.

But yeah, 2 cases a year. Not exactly the epidemic that you claim. 6 a year arrested, is not an epidemic either (though obviously it would be best if they were not arrested if they did not commit a crime...but all crimes a few people will get accused when they did not do it). Compared to the thousands upon thousands of males that DID rape. But the few false claims are apparently the epidemic, not male violence.

[Marsh.]

False allegations are under reported?

What does that even mean?

[thesheriff443]

Liars come in both sexes.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Liars come in both sexes.

Obviously. But the figures when it comes to specifically lying about rape speak for themselves.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Obviously. But the figures when it comes to specifically lying about rape speak for themselves.

Yes, many many more males lie about raping, than people lie about being raped. Males are raped too so they can be included in the 'accusers' stats. I doubt many males lie about being raped either, probably about the same amount as females who lie. All in all, many more males lie about rape than anyone else.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Obviously. But the figures when it comes to specifically lying about rape speak for themselves.

We don't know the true figures, I said in another thread a friend was falsely accused of rape, you can get paid thousands if your are a victim of crime

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

We don't know the true figures, I said in another thread a friend was falsely accused of rape, you can get paid thousands if your are a victim of crime

Meaning?

[thesheriff443]

Was once sat in court at the back, were can be a member of the public, and a man faced a charge of putting his hand in a woman's vagina

[Marsh.]

Is that 6% of rape cases that make it to court result in a prosecution or 6% of reports lead to a conviction?

[Tom4784]

Rape is difficult to prove and being unable to take a case to court or not having enough evidence to prove someone's guilt isn't proof of the victim lying. It's a vile attitude to have and presenting failed cases as an argument that victims lying about rape is some sort of epidemic is disgusting.

[Marsh.]

It astounds me how people can think this way.

So jaded.

[Vicky.]

SIX males a year are arrested for false rape claims. 2 of those make it to court.

How is this an epidemic, when 3000+ cases are proven true and the rapist sentenced?

People may be falsely accused, but they don't even find out about it as the case is thrown out. Some cases are dropped too, again, before the male ever finds out about the report. Dropping a case does not mean the accuser was not raped, cases can be dropped for a variety of reasons. But again, lives are not ruined as no arrests have been made, except the 6.

Yes, these 6 men a year arrested is bad...but again, its 6, versus thousands who are actually proven to be raped. Only 2 falsely accused people ever see a courtroom.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by the truth

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...ms-jemma-beale

A story youd never get to see on the radical feminist BBC

Who uses something like rape to push their own sexist agenda? That’s a new low even for you.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Redway

Who uses something like rape to push their own sexist agenda? That’s a new low even for you.

youre lying again

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by the truth

youre lying again

And you're not a well person and your threads get more ridiculous by the week.