[Sunny_01]

Warning issued to Kissylittlemissy for offensive posts and attacks on other members.

[Sticks]

Originally posted by spacebandit
Ok, posted it before but...

Who is this .... ??



Born of a virgin

Birthday Celebrated on December 25

His coming was announced by three kings

They followed a star in the east to his resting place

Baptised aged 12 folowing standard ritual and custom

Disappears for 18 years

Reappears at aged 30 and is baptised again

Baptiser was later decapitated

Starts his own ministry

Has 12 disciples

Perorms a Sermon on the mount

Is transfigured on the mount before his 12 disciples

Performs miracles, walks on water, raises the dead, heals the sick

Is betrayed by one of his desciples

Is crucified

after 3 days rises from the dead and ascends into heaven

Known by many names including the "Son Of God", "Son Of man" "The Truth and The Light"
"The Good Shepherd" " The Lamb Of God" "The Ressurection and The Life"

Worshippers end their prayers with "Amen"

Is this a reference to Akanatan the heretic Pharaoh? ?

[bananarama]

Originally posted by KissyLittleMissy

i think that atheists are just people who have lost all their faith in anything and have just closed their mind completely and thats sad and upsetting. i do take offence and you are right bout me being brought up that way and believing in God, my family is just like that way but were not religious nuts or anythin. i think there is a hereafter and our soul goes on, why not? if some want to be atheist and believe in no hereafter, thats a shame and a disgrace

Atheists or agnostics are people who are sensible enough not to be esily brainwashed by hand me down beliefs none of which can be proved one way or the other. Beliefs that could have been written by sane, insane or the genuinly deluded. Truth is none of us know the mental state of such writers. We do not know the level of intellince of such writers.

To believe in such unnown factors can be extremely dangerous and has led to societiies breeding fanatical attitudes one after the other based on someone elses writing and beliefs instead of ones own common sense.

Those with strong religious beliefs have far more closed minds than those that do not believe. Some are so fanatical in their beliefs that they think such beliefs should never be questioned. They try to stop questioning of their beliefs by claiming they are offended. No..The claim of offence is a way to try and shut people up who have a contradictory opinion.

The CLOSED mind of religion is responsible for the maniac behavour of countries addicted to religious beliefs and all the man invented control freak laws that come with their beliefs and cultures based on religious fanatisism.

As for my belief I suppose I would consider myself an agnostic. My mind is not closed neither is it subject to prehistoric writings that have no foundation of truth or common sense....One of the biggest mistakes one can make in life is to make your self gullable to others beliefs. Bottom line work things out for yourself don't steal from the minds of ancient writers who did not have at their disposal the knowledge we have today....

Believing in god brings comfort to some. Being controlled by religious cultures and institutions brings hell to many.....And in many cases war.......

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by Sticks

Is this a reference to Akanatan the heretic Pharaoh? ?

Horus - 3500 BC

and there are many many more deity's pre-dating the Christ myth that share practically the same features and chronology

[Sticks]

Sorry - Akanatan was the one who tried to bring in Monotheism to ancient Egypt

I need to brush up on my Egyptology - can you recommend any good books there?

When i have time I will look up Horus on Wkki

[KissyLittleMissy2]

Originally posted by Retroman
KissyLittleMissy Im surprised you're not banned for such words.

You're constantly shouting beliefs at people and putting "" that smiley everywhere. Which is very immature and ironic...as you're the only one in this topic who's actually saying anything that people should be angry about.

No way man? lol...you don't provide much of an argument do you. How do you know what mental state the writers of the bible were in? I never said they were insane, as ive already mentioned...I was reminding everyone that we don't know the people that wrote it, so how can we trust the writings of complete strangers?

You're placing almost all of your biblical beliefs in a book written by people you don't remotely know. That in itself is foolish, in my eyes.

Anyway, I already explained I wasn't saying the bible was written by insane people in my last post. Yet still you insist on putting sad smileys and making out Im condeming your religion yet again. Which seems like the actions of a spoilt little girl Im afraid.

Again with the sad smileys, it is quite clear that you're easily capable of becoming angry and frustrated, so please don't pretend you're sat there feeling upset and crying..I simply won't fall for it. Also, I never posted anything remotely offensive, I merely told you what I believe.

So please stop trying to make people feel sorry for you by trying to pass me off as some sort of blasphemous non believer.

And you should especially stop saying such things as "what are you!! how could you come up with it! I dont care if I offend you, I don't care who I offend, shame on you" etc

I haven't said anything remotely insulting, just expressed my views on life after death. Yet you're purposefully going out of your way to try and insult me [which you admitted.] Why is this? It really doesn't make sense. You're even potentially calling me insane?

What on earth is wrong with you?
You're launching a full scale attack on my opinion, without even the slightest hint of me provoking you. You have serious issues. And I suggest you stop the amateur dramatics.

You are officially clueless.
It's scientific fact that tree's don't feel anything...they don't have a developed brain to pass signals of feeling or a nervous system. They're incapable of feeling. So get your facts straight before you argue about things you clearly know nothing about.

Your teacher proved nothing. Sound waves can be proven through various methods, so we know they're there. Heaven can't be proven, so they're two entirely unrelated things.

Most mature believers would accept my opinion. Christianity is not about condeming all non believers and telling them they need forgiveness from god like you told me. Anyone who is a half decent person doesn't take offense when someone announces they believe something different to them.

I actually can't believe you're still calling my opinion "blasphemy"
Do you even know what the word means?
You act as if I walked into a church and told everyone how wrong they are.

This topic is to express each individuals thoughts on life after death, it's not for Christians to call atheists "blasphemous"
This is nothing short of a personal attack, and id urge you to stop.

Excuse me?
Did I say I ignored the feelings of anyone? I think not.
I don't agree with them, but I don't go out of my way to tell them they're all wrong either.
Stop making out Im attacking the entire christian population of the planet, it's just a simple case of you going WAY overboard to try and make me look bad. Very child like behaviour if ever I saw it.

"Cause its true" ?
How can you say that in the middle of a debate? lol, that's just ridiculous. How do you know it's true if you've never died?
You even said in a seperate post that nobody can know what happens after death, but in this post you're telling me it's fact?

You contradict yourself.

The loch ness monster could have existed but now it's dead = God and heaven must exist? LOL
What are you talking about?

If true believers know it as real, then why don't they prove it?
If someone 100% knows something without doubt, then there's always proof. If there is no proof, then you don't know.

As for losing my faith, my whole point is that I never had any faith in the first place. Faith/belief = uncertainty. I don't base my whole life on uncertainties..which is my own personal choice. And is not an attack on christianity like you're making out for some illogical reason.

As for me feeling left out...
If I felt left out id become a christian wouldn't I?
So you clearly don't have a clue what you're typing half the time, as it never seems to make any sense.

i was banned yesterday for my rule breaking

i am sorry for my mad smileys i just have much faith in God and the bible and from what i see in this discusssion there is much about questioning whether God exists and the bible is just written by insane people and that made me mad. i wont use the angry smily much more
i know its hard to really know bout the minds of people who wrote the bible in the first place. i know that the bible could be looked at as being a bunch of stories grouped together but i believe that some are stories - false ones and most are based on fact. but if you or others wish to believe that it isnt so then i guess you have the right to air that opinion - excuse me please


im not a spoilt girl, even though i am not from a poor family and want for very litttlt, but thats just me and my brothers and sisters. my actions in this discussion are just myself feeling upset. i read it all again and i have to admit tyhat i went over the top i also read wrong your post and said that you said they were insane, i realise that you meant maybe. i wasn't trying upset you personally it was just that you brought up this "insane" possibility and revelled in it kinda = but that is how i saw it i guess? i do get upset, but i dont cry about it like you assumed

i talked about the lochness monster as it is a belief that it existed and you brought up "monsters" as an example. i only gave an example in return thats all

if billions of people believe in it, then we can only assume from that majority that it must be real. in every school there are bibles, in evry library there are bibles, in evry prison there are bibles, should I go on. nobody can prove it. like nobody can prove how the dinosaurs died even though scientists, archaeologists can come up with some idea

i felt it was your views that could be perceived as being rather blaspemous against true believers of God, like i said - you kinda revelled init. nobody can prove it, but so many believe it and so do i, but if you dont then you dont right

if you think that what i write doesnt make sense, then you wont be able to reply to it, but youi have so you must undertsand mt writings then> otherwise you couldnt comprehend one bit, ps i do have reading difficulties but i do my best, but i dont expect asny understandings from you from what i reasd from you here

[KissyLittleMissy2]

Originally posted by Sunny_01
Warning issued to Kissylittlemissy for offensive posts and attacks on other members.

Sandra Crossitt, my sister is very sorry for her behavior and won't do it again. im her brother jack and she asked me to post replies for her, I hope I am allowed to do that. Is she due to have her warning lifted shortly?

[Red Moon]

KissyLittleMissy2 your old account should be working. You only received a warning as far as I can make out. For the first warning the ban is 24 hours. Your warning was issued at 20-9-07 at 10:14 so it should be over now.

Have you tried posting using the old account?

Red

[KissyLittleMissy2]

Originally posted by Red Moon
KissyLittleMissy2 your old account should be working. You only received a warning as far as I can make out. For the first warning the ban is 24 hours. Your warning was issued at 20-9-07 at 10:14 so it should be over now.

Have you tried posting using the old account?

Red

Yes, I tried after the date you gave - but there was a red triangular warning sign next to her picture, I shall look again. Sorry again for her behavior, she won't do it again. I own the computer, see!

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by KissyLittleMissy2

Yes, I tried after the date you gave - but there was a red triangular warning sign next to her picture, I shall look again. Sorry again for her behavior, she won't do it again. I own the computer, see!

The warning symbol might be active for a while but the posting ban should be over and your sister should be able to post.

[KissyLittleMissy2]

Originally posted by Red Moon

The warning symbol might be active for a while but the posting ban should be over and your sister should be able to post.

Thankyou Red moon.

[Jack_Crossitt]

I started again, as both usernames were experiencing problems.

anyway here goes my opinion,

Giving my personal opinion of things - I have always believed in god and have prayed many times in my life. My parents made us go to church, but not too often. We went once a month on a Sunday, it was like a ritual - I guess their way of telling us that we must all recognize that god is part of our lives. It was handed down from my grandparents on my mothers side - who was very religious. I remember visiting when I was 8 or 9 years old and there was pictures of jesus and mary and crosses everywhere. Sadly they have both passed away now and they live near Dover, which is miles away from Halifax, where we live.

I do understand that the bible could be one big story book, which has just been passed down through many, many generations and so many of us just believe in a book containing pure fictitious stories - but with good morals and meanings throughout. It has been read by myself a couple of times and I find it quite a hard read and not as enjoyable as my grandparents would say. They swore by every part. I feel that anyone saying bad things about god and religion may get a hostile response as they get offended. My sister got offended, but the way she handled it was rather offensive to other members here and I can only apologise on her behalf.
I think that a lot of us would like to believe that there is a heaven and that when we die we shall see saint Peter at the gates of heaven - welcoming us with open arms. I can't think of anyway of us proving that we shall ever see him or heaven or hell or god either. That can never be proven, but for most of us, we can believe in the possibility only.

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by Sticks
Sorry - Akanatan was the one who tried to bring in Monotheism to ancient Egypt

I need to brush up on my Egyptology - can you recommend any good books there?

When i have time I will look up Horus on Wkki

Go here

http://www.wilsonsalmanac.com/jesus_similar.html

Interesting read

[Arneldo]

We don't know and we will probably never know so I think people should live life while they can instead of pondering over unanswerable questions like this.

[Sticks]

While we are swapping links

Try this one

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : Arneldo
We don't know and we will probably never know so I think people should live life while they can instead of pondering over unanswerable questions like this.

Yes I said that earlier in the thread, it's a waste of time to think about it now. Same for the end of the world or the asteroids. Enjoy life !

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by Sticks
While we are swapping links

Try this one

The problem with the argument presented there is that it claims Jesus, as is the JC of christianity, is a "historical figure"

The truth is there are no contemporaneous accounts of Jesus Christ - which is baffling if he existed. as the Romans were prodigious scribes, as were the Greeks - yet not one single reference to the "King Of The Jews" who was executed and ascended to heaven in full view of the assembled plebs exists anywhere, or has even been known to exist - except in the minds of the evangelicals.

[Sticks]

Tacitus
Flavius Josephus
Pliny the Younger

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by Sticks
Tacitus
Flavius Josephus
Pliny the Younger

Tacitus 56 - 117 AD

Flavius Josephus 37 - 100 AD [sometime after, exact date unknown]

Pliny the Younger [Gaius Plinius Caecilius Secundus] 63 - 113 AD


Jesus Christ 8–2 BC - to 29–36 AD



The earliest known writings are "Pauls letters" - which are accepted to date from no earlier than 50 AD, but scholars accept more likely fall closer to 100 AD

and The Gospel Of Thomas - though no date for this writing is given any credence before 40 AD, and again scholars accept the date for this writing as anything between 40AD - 100AD, and the Jesus of Thomas is far removed from the Jesus of the NT

The Q Document has never been proven to have ever existed, and it was first theorised by herbert marsh in 1801, though Marsh was a Bishop and its existence has never gone beyond theory - current biblical scholars do not accept it with the exception of the evangelicals and the born agains, most notably in the USA

the Gospels it is generally accepted were written between 70 - 100 AD, and "standardised" at the Council of Nicaea in 325 AD



There are NO contemporaneous accounts

[Kate..]

Originally posted by Arneldo
We don't know and we will probably never know so I think people should live life while they can instead of pondering over unanswerable questions like this.

okay now that's just freaky cause i said those words to my mum like an hour ago!