[Northern Monkey]

This seems to be a very small selection of idiots on Twitter.It seems there were probably just as many people complaining that the ad is being shown too early or vegans complaining about it featuring turkey.Since no more than 2-3 of the same examples are given of these overly PC morons complaining about it featuring muslims.
This is in the same vein as these idiots who go on about ‘cultural appropriation’.”white people can’t where dreadlocks cos it’s jus black culture”(even though it isn’t) or “Katy Perry is culturally appropriating Chinese culture”.
It’s all anti inclusivity and it’s seen in every subsection of humans.There are alot of idiots about.
If we are all going to merge into this one super culture that the powers that be seem to be pushing then we need to learn to start accepting each others traditions and there’s nothing more accepting than joining in.
Muslims that do celebrate Christmas are integrating which is a very good thing.

But yeah as DR said Jesus was more than likely born in summer anyway.For a start sheep would’ve been under cover in the winter and i’ve also heard things about the position of the star that they all followed being only there in the summer months.

I’m with Cherie,Alex and LT on this one.It seems Tesco were looking for this reaction on social media just so they could bleet about ‘how inclusive we are’.When else do they react a couple of idiotic tweets,They’ll get complaints every day.It’s publicity.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Cherie

How is it moving the goal posts to ask for some perspective to this, Twitter is full of trolls yet you only refer to their tweets, maybe it wold be nice for a change and for the Muslim community to hear that their inclusion in a Christian festival was praised, integration cuts both ways

Because none of that changes the fact that the 'controversy' of this advert is fuelled by racism and you want to downplay it because it makes you uncomfortable.

Originally Posted by Cherie

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Again, you're not making much sense here. Withano's post does not contradict mine.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

This seems to be a very small selection of idiots on Twitter.It seems there were probably just as many people complaining that the ad is being shown too early or vegans complaining about it featuring turkey.Since no more than 2-3 of the same examples are given of these overly PC morons complaining about it featuring muslims.
This is in the same vein as these idiots who go on about ‘cultural appropriation’.”white people can’t where dreadlocks cos it’s jus black culture”(even though it isn’t) or “Katy Perry is culturally appropriating Chinese culture”.
It’s all anti inclusivity and it’s seen in every subsection of humans.There are alot of idiots about.
If we are all going to merge into this one super culture that the powers that be seem to be pushing then we need to learn to start accepting each others traditions and there’s nothing more accepting than joining in.
Muslims that do celebrate Christmas are integrating which is a very good thing.

But yeah as DR said Jesus was more than likely born in summer anyway.For a start sheep would’ve been under cover in the winter and i’ve also heard things about the position of the star that they all followed being only there in the summer months.

I’m with Cherie,Alex and LT on this one.It seems Tesco were looking for this reaction on social media just so they could bleet about ‘how inclusive we are’.When else do they react a couple of idiotic tweets,They’ll get complaints every day.It’s publicity.

Money, money, money it always is!

[DemolitionRed]

I just watched the advert. It had a Hindu wearing a turban and a bunch of women wearing head coverings. They could be Muslim women but could equally be Orthodox Christians.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I just watched the advert. It had a Hindu wearing a turban and a bunch of women wearing head coverings. They could be Muslim women but could equally be Orthodox Christians.

Does Christianity require women to cover their hair - that’s news to me.

[T*]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Xmas ads are basically like the Superbowl for the UK. It always makes me laugh when Brits talk shhh-it about America for the fuss about Super Bowl ads, but it's literally the same for Christmas ads in the UK, except instead of looking for something clever and funny, y'all just look for something that makes you feel any kind of emotion. Brits are desperate for something emotional.

‘Those silly Americans with those Super Bowl ads!’ - no one ever
a reach and a half, I love the super bowl ads but then again I work quite close to marketing, everyone else literally doesn’t care about them

[Crimson Dynamo]

i love the superbowl, the ads can do one as can the half time bollocks

but yes we want sentiment and tradition at Chrimbo and not some utopian wankfest thought up by some bearded metro-sexual account exec living in a bedsit in Clapham

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

i love the superbowl, the ads can do one as can the half time bollocks

but yes we want sentiment and tradition at Chrimbo and not some utopian wankfest thought up by some bearded metro-sexual account exec living in a bedsit in Clapham

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Does Christianity require women to cover their hair - that’s news to me.

Your kidding? There are many countries around the globe where Christian women are required to cover their hair. Start with Russian Orthodox and Coptic Christians. A lot of the Romanian women who sell big issue are covered from head to toe, including their hair because they are Orthodox Christians, not Muslims as so many wrongly presume.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Because none of that changes the fact that the 'controversy' of this advert is fuelled by racism and you want to downplay it because it makes you uncomfortable.



Again, you're not making much sense here. Withano's post does not contradict mine.

I don't know why you find my train of thought so difficult to follow its hardly the most complex of thinking


Withano said
I have no idea. I'd like to think that there wasn't many more than 2 twitter users who assumed someones religion and then got upset because they did so, but I could be wrong.

so I directed him to your response when I said much the same thing,

[Vicky.]

Well this makes a change from people being up in arms because apparently Muslims don't want anyone else to celebrate christmas

why are you showing Muslims celebrating Christmas in your advert. That’s just wrong, we all know they don’t!!!”.

Really...I don't know many Muslim families granted, but all of the ones I do know do celebrate xmas. As do most athiests I know, as Christmas is not really about religion these days at all. Hasn't been for a long time.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Lets look at it from another angle, would Tesco's feature a Christian family in an advert for a Muslim festival? I don't think so. People may well celebrate Christmas for all the wrong reasons, but it is still a Christian festival, so I can see it rubbing some people the wrong way. Personally, I couldn't give a crap, the whole thing is just commercialised nonsense, but I do think people have a right to be offended by it

Sighs... obviously not because Christians don't believe in Muhammad!

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Your kidding? There are many countries around the globe where Christian women are required to cover their hair. Start with Russian Orthodox and Coptic Christians. A lot of the Romanian women who sell big issue are covered from head to toe, including their hair because they are Orthodox Christians, not Muslims as so many wrongly presume.

I am a little confused by that. I am not religious at all so no expert on Christianity but I am pretty sure it is not a requirement of said religion in the West.

So that beggars the question does that have more to do with geographics and common views in certain countries towards women and their interpretation of how women should act/dress than the religion itself.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I am a little confused by that. I am not religious at all so no expert on Christianity but I am pretty sure it is not a requirement of said religion in the West.

So that beggars the question does that have more to do with geographics and common views in certain countries towards women and their interpretation of how women should act/dress than the religion itself.

It's not a requirement of Islam either, there are many (millions, I would imagine) Muslim women who don't cover their hair... There are still more Muslims than Christians who do, obviously, but it's more down to interpretations of it and culture than any sort of strict requirement. It's more that most branches of modern day Christianity are pretty "relaxed" about which parts of the bible they follow, and which parts arent considered important any more.

There are also many Muslim women who seem to decide to wear it when they haven't previously worn anything, and whose families / husbands etc. don't care either way if they do or not, which might be surprising.

[user104658]

I would point out that there are rules about what men should and shouldn't wear too and what constitutes "modest dress", just that it tends not to include covering the head or hair. Generally, if I'm getting this right, (strict) Muslim men also aren't supposed to show most of their body (should always have long sleeves / not wear shorts / shirts buttoned right up etc) and also aren't supposed to wear anything "that shoes their shape", so clothes are supposed to be on the baggy side / nothing tight-fitting.

Whether or not the rules are always applied equally is another matter, I suppose, but that does apply across all cultures religious and not in my experience. A lot of people hypocritically expect more of their partners than they do of themselves.

Its fairly recent (and ongoing) that women don't have expectations on them above and beyond men, I mean we're talking far less than 100 years even, since men in this country were expecting / insisting on "modest dress" for women while going around topless themselves.

I guess the thing is, it took women themselves, from within, to say "no this isn't good enough" and stand up to it and the transition wasn't an easy one. Things are only going to change in other cultures when the same thing happens there... Which it almost certainly will at some point. It can't be "forced" from the outside.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

i honestly haven't seen the ad. i'm assuming they were brown or something.

Of course. The clear indicator of a Muslim.

[bots]

Orthodox Christianity does require conservative dressing from both men and woman, I have for example seen a man thrown out of a church while wearing shorts, but its moving the the topic away from the point of the discussion really. Everyone knows what Tesco's intention was, and it certainly wasn't to promote Orthodox Christianity

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

please explain how he is the son of god to me. he was god taking the flesh, embodying man to deliver the message, the whole point is that it was god coming to earth. did you not pay attention? you honestly can't be so dumb to not know that the entire idea of Jesus is that God was taking a mortal form to spread his messege on earth.

And you weren't paying attention when he described the holy trinity as Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Like a human father would pass a part of himself on through his children.

But I suppose that went over your head.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's not a requirement of Islam either, there are many (millions, I would imagine) Muslim women who don't cover their hair... There are still more Muslims than Christians who do, obviously, but it's more down to interpretations of it and culture than any sort of strict requirement. It's more that most branches of modern day Christianity are pretty "relaxed" about which parts of the bible they follow, and which parts arent considered important any more.

There are also many Muslim women who seem to decide to wear it when they haven't previously worn anything, and whose families / husbands etc. don't care either way if they do or not, which might be surprising.

Good informative post TS

I work with one Muslim woman who doesn't wear the head covering and dresses western style. Her sister, who like her, is single, wears modest clothing and head covering. My work colleague is a practicing Muslim. Like you say, many Muslim women don't wear Muslim style clothing.

Also, when I first went to Bucharest, I was astounded at the number of Muslim women in black abaya's and al-amira style head dressers. There were women praying on prayer mats on the streets. When you looked a little closer, they were holding rosaries and crucifixes. Since then I've never presumed that a woman who is wearing hijab in the UK is actually a Muslim woman because its just as likely she's an Orthodox or Coptic Christian from Eastern Europe or Egypt.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Orthodox Christianity does require conservative dressing from both men and woman, I have for example seen a man thrown out of a church while wearing shorts, but its moving the the topic away from the point of the discussion really. Everyone knows what Tesco's intention was, and it certainly wasn't to promote Orthodox Christianity

It was to promote inclusiveness regardless of who you are.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Lets look at it from another angle, would Tesco's feature a Christian family in an advert for a Muslim festival? I don't think so. People may well celebrate Christmas for all the wrong reasons, but it is still a Christian festival, so I can see it rubbing some people the wrong way. Personally, I couldn't give a crap, the whole thing is just commercialised nonsense, but I do think people have a right to be offended by it

Would Tesco even advertise with a Muslim festival theme? No.

Christmas is the only commercial one in that respect.

It's got bugger all to do with religion and everything to do with retail.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Xmas ads are basically like the Superbowl for the UK. It always makes me laugh when Brits talk shhh-it about America for the fuss about Super Bowl ads, but it's literally the same for Christmas ads in the UK, except instead of looking for something clever and funny, y'all just look for something that makes you feel any kind of emotion. Brits are desperate for something emotional.

What a load of rubbish.

[user104658]

Oh Tesco's intention is self promotion and profit, no ifs ands or buts. It's advertising. I'd have thought that was a given, really, but then I see plenty of people still fawning over the John Lewis and M&S Christmas adverts like those companies are anything but cynical profit machines like any other company, who are only pulling at people's heart-strings to loosen their purse-strings.

........there are good reasons I don't watch broadcast TV and have about 5 different adblocks on my browser and one on my router, I guess .

People are always asking me things like "oh have you seen the ______ advert yet?"... Unless someone has sent me a YouTube link of it, the answer is going to be "no" .

[Tom4784]

John Lewis adverts are honestly woeful.

'Here's some sappy **** with a dull as dishwater acoustic cover of an overplayed song played over it, NOW CRY FOR ME BITCH AND BUY MY OVERPRICED ****!'

[Vicky.]

https://www.newstatesman.com/politic...rinch-year-you