[Withano]

Originally Posted by Tozzie

people should be allowed to think what they like but in this day and age we are all being conditioned to think the same way and to accept everything and if you don't then people are made to feel as though they are a bad person. Personally I don't think that is right. Having a view other than the view that todays society thinks you should have does not make one a bad person. We are not allowing people to exercise their right to have a point of view for fear of being 'shot down' so most people who don't conform to todays society will keep their mouths shut. For us all to think the same way would mean we are brainwashed and conditioned. This world is full of offended people these days and personally I think its bloody ridiculous.

I would say the average racist/homophobe/sexist etc is a bad person, they're certainly not a good, understanding, or compassionate one.
I feel like your point would only make sense if these people didn't know they were bad people, but I'd imagine that they'd know that most people see them that way? So I doubt that would impact their words? Would it?

Also your last sentence implies that it is ridiculous to be offended by racism/homophobia/sexism etc? Is that what you meant to say?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

I would say the average racist/homophobe/sexist etc is a bad person, they're certainly not a good, understanding, or compassionate one.
I feel like your point would only make sense if these people didn't know they were bad people, but I'd imagine that they'd know that most people see them that way? So I doubt that would impact their words? Would it?

Also your last sentence implies that it is ridiculous to be offended by racism/homophobia/sexism etc? Is that what you meant to say?

At no point did she specify what people were offended by. As we all know all these PC people needing safe spaces get offended very easily by very little. Besides, again as any reasonable person knows, the Definition and opinions of the PC brigade can be a little hysterically biased to say the least.

I would say the average PC bully who tries to control and marginalise others who will not conform to their way of thinking is a bad person. A bully is a bully whatever label they hide behind.

The behaviour of many left wingers of late has been pretty dictorial to say the least. There are no good dictators and no pleasant extremes.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I would say the average PC bully who tries to control and marginalise others who will no conform to their way of thinking is a bad person. A bully is a bully whatever label they hide behind.

The behaviour of many left wingers of late has been pretty dictorial to say the least. There are no good dictators and no pleasant extremes.

I don't know what left wingers have to do with this unless you're calling right wingers racist/homophobic/sexists?

But still yes, I believe they're bad people, obviously. Do you think they're good people in general?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

I don't know what left wingers have to do with this unless you're calling right wingers racist/homophobic/sexists?

But still yes, I believe they're bad people, obviously. Do you think they're good people in general?

I’m simply going by the often shouty left wingers on here. Ring any bells.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

At no point did she specify what people were offended by. As we all know all these PC people needing safe spaces get offended very easily by very little. Besides, again as any reasonable person knows, the Definition and opinions of the PC brigade can be a little hysterically biased to say the least.

I would say the average PC bully who tries to control and marginalise others who will not conform to their way of thinking is a bad person. A bully is a bully whatever label they hide behind.

The behaviour of many left wingers of late has been pretty dictorial to say the least. There are no good dictators and no pleasant extremes.

Honestly Brillo, I do feel the need to point out to you (and your regular defenders) that in this one post alone, you have used, with the clear intent to insult;

"PC people"
"PC brigade"
"PC bully"
"Bully"
"Left-wingers"
"Dictators"

And in your user title,

"Snowflakes"




I know you will probably fall back on "it wasn't me who started it" here, but honestly, I don't think at this point t you have a leg to stand on when you complain about being called racist. It's just ridiculous.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Honestly Brillo, I do feel the need to point out to you (and your regular defenders) that in this one post alone, you have used, with the clear intent to insult;

"PC people"
"PC brigade"
"PC bully"
"Bully"
"Left-wingers"
"Dictators"

And in your user title,

"Snowflakes"




I know you will probably fall back on "it wasn't me who started it" here, but honestly, I don't think at this point t you have a leg to stand on when you complain about being called racist. It's just ridiculous.

Quite honestly I wouldn’t expect you to say anything different.

[Tozzie]

Originally Posted by Withano

I would say the average racist/homophobe/sexist etc is a bad person, they're certainly not a good, understanding, or compassionate one.
I feel like your point would only make sense if these people didn't know they were bad people, but I'd imagine that they'd know that most people see them that way? So I doubt that would impact their words? Would it?

Also your last sentence implies that it is ridiculous to be offended by racism/homophobia/sexism etc? Is that what you meant to say?

My last sentence never mentioned anything about racism, homophobia, sexism, you said that not me............people are shouting 'I'm offended' for just about anything these days. I'm overweight and people have in the past called me names or said something rotten and while I might feel a bit sad about it at first I don't feel the need to shout 'i'm offended' I just feel sorry for the person who felt the need to try upset me because it speaks volumes about the type of person they are and then I get on with my day.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Tozzie

My last sentence never mentioned anything about racism, homophobia, sexism, you said that not me............people are shouting 'I'm offended' for just about anything these days. I'm overweight and people have in the past called me names or said something rotten and while I might feel a bit sad about it at first I don't feel the need to shout 'i'm offended' I just feel sorry for the person who felt the need to try upset me because it speaks volumes about the type of person they are and then I get on with my day.

Well the thread is about racism, homophobia and sexism, I was unsure how much of your post was ontopic.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Tozzie

people should be allowed to think what they like but in this day and age we are all being conditioned to think the same way and to accept everything and if you don't then people are made to feel as though they are a bad person. Personally I don't think that is right. Having a view other than the view that todays society thinks you should have does not make one a bad person. We are not allowing people to exercise their right to have a point of view for fear of being 'shot down' so most people who don't conform to todays society will keep their mouths shut. For us all to think the same way would mean we are brainwashed and conditioned. This world is full of offended people these days and personally I think its bloody ridiculous.

Anyone is entitled to believe that skin colour, sexuality and gender determines a person worth and anyone is entitled to take issue with that view. Having those kinds of views does make someone a bad person though because they are choosing to think of people as lesser human beings based not on merit but circumstances of birth, they're entitled to think that way but that doesn't make them any less of a ****ty human being.

I often find people who claim they are being shut down simply don't have the conviction to stand by their own views because not everyone universally agrees with them and praises them for having those views. They want freedom of speech to be a shield to protect them from alternate views to their own or criticism but that's not how it works.

People are as entitled to their offence as you are to say what you want. Nobody is saying you can't believe what you want to believe but ALL opinions come with consequences, if you can't handle criticism and see it as a way to shut people down then it's obvious you don't either understand what freedom of speech or you believe that not everyone is entitled to it.

If all it takes to shut down an opinion is criticism then people who feel that way must have no faith in their own thoughts and views.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Anyone is entitled to believe that skin colour, sexuality and gender determines a person worth and anyone is entitled to take issue with that view. Having those kinds of views does make someone a bad person though because they are choosing to think of people as lesser human beings based not on merit but circumstances of birth, they're entitled to think that way but that doesn't make them any less of a ****ty human being.

I often find people who claim they are being shut down simply don't have the conviction to stand by their own views because not everyone universally agrees with them and praises them for having those views. They want freedom of speech to be a shield to protect them from alternate views to their own or criticism but that's not how it works.

People are as entitled to their offence as you are to say what you want. Nobody is saying you can't believe what you want to believe but ALL opinions come with consequences, if you can't handle criticism and see it as a way to shut people down then it's obvious you don't either understand what freedom of speech or you believe that not everyone is entitled to it.

If all it takes to shut down an opinion is criticism then people who feel that way must have no faith in their own thoughts and views.

Indeed opinions and behaviours come with consequences and it is about time that those on both sides of the coin face those consequences.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Indeed opinions and behaviours come with consequences and it is about time that those on both sides of the coin face those consequences.

People who have spoken out against racism, Homophobia, sexism and equality have faced the consequences of doing so for years. People have been killed for their views by others wanting to hold on to their hatred. Is that not enough for you?

If the biggest consequence you ever face for your views is somebody thinking that you are a racist then you should be thankful that it's an accusation you SHOULD be able to destroy easily if it's not true. Be thankful you live in an age where at worse, your views are looked on with just disgust and nothing more.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

People who have spoken out against racism, Homophobia, sexism and equality have faced the consequences of doing so for years. People have been killed for their views by others wanting to hold on to their hatred. Is that not enough for you?

If the biggest consequence you ever face for your views is somebody thinking that you are a racist then you should be thankful that it's an accusation you SHOULD be able to destroy easily if it's not true. Be thankful you live in an age where at worse, your views are looked on with just disgust and nothing more.

What hatred? There you go again with the hate. What are my views exactly - that I have issues with mass immigration and the wearing of Burkhas in Britain- what a hateful person that makes me. I shoud be strung up! What exactly have I said that deserves ‘anything more’?

‘Prejudices are prejudices, but peoples’ opinions are not prejudices just because you want them to be. That you think you can rationalise your hatefulness against a group of people behind some false prejudice label is disgusting and goes against every principle you claim to uphold.

Just because you have come to a conclusion on a group of people does not make it a universal truth. Closing the windows of discussion and opening a window of blind hate is prejudice in itself. And that is exactly the type of mentality that enabled people to behave so terribly to other groups in the past, be they African Americans, gays Jews, etc’.

Not my words - but so very true. Your opinions are not fact because you say they are and do not therefore justify your actions. You love to take the moral high ground and put labels on others in an attempt to shut down opinions to your views. Prejudice exists in all shapes and sizes but you attach that label to others in your futile attempt to control their opinions, or at least the expression of said opinions. It makes you no better and no different to what you accuse them off. So carry on revelling in the illusion of moral superiority - as it is just that an illusion.

[thesheriff443]

People have the right to be anti gay anti race and have sexist views, it's more about who, how and where they are voiced.

[thesheriff443]

Can you two just stop replying to each other's posts, it's constant.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Can you two just stop replying to each other's posts, it's constant.

I think I can oblige there sheriff.

[Mystic Mock]

I think that people should be allowed to say what they want as long as it's not threatening violence, however I don't agree with any of those prejudices so I also am entitled to argue on the person who shares those views in a democratic society.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I think that people should be allowed to say what they want as long as it's not threatening violence, however I don't agree with any of those prejudices so I also am entitled to argue on the person who shares those views in a democratic society.

Exactly Mock, good to see you back,at last.

Definitely such hateful views should be challenged in any democratic society but also out of simple decency too.
Because such held hate and prejudices can and often are dangerous.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I think that people should be allowed to say what they want as long as it's not threatening violence, however I don't agree with any of those prejudices so I also am entitled to argue on the person who shares those views in a democratic society.

Who said no-one could argue about it - the issue is calling people racist, bigot, homophobe etc. Not the same I think you will agree as you come across as a reasonable person.

Unless someone says something blatantly offensive that to the majority of people was clearly prejudice, it is not a for any one person or small group of like-minded people to play judge and jury by firing insults at people.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Unless someone says something blatantly offensive that to the majority of people was clearly prejudice

But you have only been called racist on threads where you have done that. To my knowledge, you have NOT been called racist for simply posting arguments against immigration / religion etc. People have strongly disagreed with your views on those threads and questioned why you are so fearful, but no one has shouted "hey that's racist!". Except on threads where you have shown baseless racial stereotyping / made assumptions based on race.

Can you actually show any examples of times that you or anyone else has actually been accused of racism for questioning immigration? You keep saying that it happens, but I've yet to see even one example.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

But you have only been called racist on threads where you have done that. To my knowledge, you have NOT been called racist for simply posting arguments against immigration / religion etc. People have strongly disagreed with your views on those threads and questioned why you are so fearful, but no one has shouted "hey that's racist!". Except on threads where you have shown baseless racial stereotyping / made assumptions based on race.

Can you actually show any examples of times that you or anyone else has actually been accused of racism for questioning immigration? You keep saying that it happens, but I've yet to see even one example.

One thread that I recall I believed a mother had over-reacted to her son's school punishment of washing dishes as I believed she was a Muslim woman who would strongly disapprove of her son doing the washing up. String me up.

On reflection maybe I did jump the gun but no-one can, without doubt, label me based on that. Stuff and nonsense as if all the left-wingers on here are so damn perfect.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

But you have only been called racist on threads where you have done that. To my knowledge, you have NOT been called racist for simply posting arguments against immigration / religion etc. People have strongly disagreed with your views on those threads and questioned why you are so fearful, but no one has shouted "hey that's racist!". Except on threads where you have shown baseless racial stereotyping / made assumptions based on race.

Can you actually show any examples of times that you or anyone else has actually been accused of racism for questioning immigration? You keep saying that it happens, but I've yet to see even one example.

I know it has happened from one or two individuals at least, many times, and others too have commented. What I will not do is trawl through posts to prove it to you or anyone else making such allegations.

I don't need to - those that know - know, those that claim they don't know have conveniently short memories. Maybe such people should do the leg-work before being so quick to label - but we all know why they do that.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I know it has happened from one or two individuals at least, many times, and others too have commented. What I will not do is trawl through posts to prove it to you or anyone else making such allegations.

I don't need to - those that know - know, those that claim they don't know have conveniently short memories. Maybe such people should do the leg-work before being so quick to label - but we all know why they do that.

I know you have been called racist in the past, and I can accept that it might sometimes be a snap judgement and probably never a helpful place to go (though no more than any of the other name calling), but you specifically keep making the claim that you have been called racist for being "against mass immigration", which I just don't think is true. Several people on here are against mass immigration... I'd go so far as to say that MOST people are against the idea of limitless immigration and support sensible migration policies, and I genuinely can't imagine a time when this has ever been labelled racist. It's misrepresentative to the point that there's no point even trying to sort out this whole "name calling mess" until there can be some sort of consensus on what has actually happened in the past.

Having given it some thought; I think it would probably be a good idea for TiBB (the debates section, anyway) to have a flat out policy against people being "branded as anything" at this point because it is a waste of time all round... but that is --- if and only if --- that's a bilateral thing that everyone adheres to. Which means... no more "PC gone mad", no more "PC brigade", no more "Stupid lefties", no more "snowflakes". "Who Started It" doesn't really matter; if it's going to stop, it has to stop all round, and there has to be at least some acknowledgement of the reasons for it starting in the first place... i.e. being totally against immigration is fine, so long as you're thoughtful, level-headed and clear when outlining the reasons for it, because that's the only place anyone has a problem.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I know it has happened from one or two individuals at least, many times, and others too have commented. What I will not do is trawl through posts to prove it to you or anyone else making such allegations.

I don't need to - those that know - know, those that claim they don't know have conveniently short memories. Maybe such people should do the leg-work before being so quick to label - but we all know why they do that.

There's no denying it, Brillo. Anyone not left of centre has been sniped at by someone on the Left... and Brexit just added fuel to the flames. There's not much impartiality on here, and reacting just gets you infracted and banned. But don't think that others haven't noticed your treatment.

[Withano]

When has anyone on tibb ever come to the conclusion that an entire group of people are racist? I've never seen that happen.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

When has anyone on tibb ever come to the conclusion that an entire group of people are racist? I've never seen that happen.

Couldn’t be all those blatantly stating or implying people on here are an ‘ist’ because they have different views to them on certain issues. Nope - absolutely impossible. Doesn’t happen - we must all just be imaging it.