[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Couldn’t be all those blatantly stating or implying people on here are an ‘ist’ because they have different views to them on certain issues. Nope - absolutely impossible. Doesn’t happen - we must all just be imaging it.

That's More about individuals than groups though? I've never seen anyone imply that any single group were all racists. That would be an insane comment to make. Do you have an example of a time that this happened?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

That's More about individuals than groups though? I've never seen anyone imply that any single group were all racists. That would be an insane comment to make. Do you have an example of a time that this happened?

The group are those individuals, including myself, who have been called racist, bigot, homophobic, you name it, by those of the PC persuasion - ie considerably more than one person has been called racist on here, as you well know, as this is an issue that has been raised on many occasions. It is a problem. Don't try to make out it is just 'racist' me objecting to being called racist. You aren't convincing anyone - you do know that don't you!

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Couldn’t be all those blatantly stating or implying people on here are an ‘ist’ because they have different views to them on certain issues. Nope - absolutely impossible. Doesn’t happen - we must all just be imaging it.

Who else on here has been called racist, though? Genuinely?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Who else on here has been called racist, though? Genuinely?

Seriously! See my above post. It is not exactly uncommon and it is not only me that has been on the receiving end of it. We all know it.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Seriously! See my above post. It is not exactly uncommon and it is not only me that has been on the receiving end of it. We all know it.

Who else, though? It's a simple enough question.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

When has anyone on tibb ever come to the conclusion that an entire group of people are racist? I've never seen that happen.

Several different individuals who don't share the PC views or the way in which their views are interpreted or expressed = a GROUP. Not rocket science!

[Kizzy]

I would say they are yes, but it helps if they own it and acknowledge their prejudice.

[Tom4784]

How DARE people question others in a serious debate!

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

How DARE people question others in a serious debate!

You clearly lack understanding on the difference between questioning and aggressive insults.

It is after all in your interests to deny and try to undermine every word I say as you are the one who throws such words around at the drop of a hat. You have certainly chucked that word my way more than any other member on here.

I won’t indulge you and your ‘opinions’ any more.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

You clearly lack understanding on the difference between questioning and aggressive insults.

It is after all in your interests to deny and try to undermine every word I say as you are the one who throws such words around at the drop of a hat. You have certainly chucked that word my way more than any other member on here.

I won’t indulge you and your ‘opinions’ any more.

You consider racist an insult, your definition of insults is not the same as most people's.

This post is just proof of what I've been saying a lot. you are literally trying to silence me by making out that I'm attacking you when I and everyone else you think is attacking you is literally just engaging you in a discussion. You are undermining anyone who has a different opinion to you by branding their posts as attacks instead of acknowledging that everyone has a right to an opinion.

I do disagree with Vicky on one thing she mentioned, I don't think terms like snowflakes, remoaners, loony leftie etc is the same as Racist/Homophobe etc. You can accuse someone of the latter of being so without it being an insult but calling someone a snowflake, remoaner, leftie is always intended as an insult to belittle people on their views.

If I've accused you of racism then I'm guessing, like that school thread I've linked, I've given you reasons as to why it's my opinion that you are a racist. On the other hand, you've never had a good reason to brand me a terrorist sympathiser yet you have multiple times in the past because I have a different opinion on Muslims to you. Unlike you, however, I'll take your accusations and absolutely destroy them because that's what you do against false accusations.

At the end of the day, Brillo, it comes down to the fact that you can give it out all you like but you can't take it if someone dishes it back to you. It's always been the case.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

You consider racist an insult, your definition of insults is not the same as most people's.

This post is just proof of what I've been saying a lot. you are literally trying to silence me by making out that I'm attacking you when I and everyone else you think is attacking you is literally just engaging you in a discussion. You are undermining anyone who has a different opinion to you by branding their posts as attacks instead of acknowledging that everyone has a right to an opinion.

I do disagree with Vicky on one thing she mentioned, I don't think terms like snowflakes, remoaners, loony leftie etc is the same as Racist/Homophobe etc. You can accuse someone of the latter of being so without it being an insult but calling someone a snowflake, remoaner, leftie is always intended as an insult to belittle people on their views.

If I've accused you of racism then I'm guessing, like that school thread I've linked, I've given you reasons as to why it's my opinion that you are a racist. On the other hand, you've never had a good reason to brand me a terrorist sympathiser yet you have multiple times in the past because I have a different opinion on Muslims to you. Unlike you, however, I'll take your accusations and absolutely destroy them because that's what you do against false accusations.

At the end of the day, Brillo, it comes down to the fact that you can give it out all you like but you can't take it if someone dishes it back to you. It's always been the case.

What a load of old tosh - really! Apart from the rest of it that that I really can’t be bothered to address with you anymore - the sheer fact you think that calling someone a leftie or a remoaner is insulting but calling someone a bigot or a racist isn’t is so ridiculous it completely invalidates any opinion you have in my opinion.

You are just trying to dig yourself out of that hole you have dug for yourself with all your attempted shut-down insults and now backtracking at a rate of knots trying to suggest you weren’t trying to insult or belittle people.

So you really expect people to believe that when you call someone a racist, bigot or homophobe you are not trying to insult them! You should listen to yourself!

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

What a load of old tosh - really! Apart from the rest of it that that I really can’t be bothered to address with you anymore - the sheer fact you think that calling someone a leftie or a remoaner is insulting but calling someone a bigot or a racist isn’t is so ridiculous it completely invalidates any opinion you have in my opinion.

You are just trying to dig yourself out of that hole you have dug for yourself with all your attempted shut-down insults and now backtracking at a rate of knots trying to suggest you weren’t trying to insult or belittle people.

So you really expect people to believe that when you call someone a racist, bigot or homophobe you are not trying to insult them! You should listen to yourself!

That's funny, you ignore most of it because you don't have an answer for it, don't pretend it's for any other reason than that.

Of course your terms for people that think differently to you are insulting. As I said before and it's a sentiment that's been shared by a lot of people on here, If you want to accuse someone of racism then you can, as long as you aren't insulting and you can back up your accusation then it's not an insult. You calling anyone that disagrees with you a leftie or a remoaner is not the same, that's just you trying to shut down anyone else's opinion.

As for the boded point, what gives you the right to decide whose opinion is 'valid'? What makes you different to everyone else in that you alone can decide what opinions can be and which ones cannot? You have a massive problem with freedom of Speech and your words prove it here, you believe freedom of speech is just for you and people who share your opinion and no one else.

As for the only one shutting down opinions and backtracking, that would be you, you just told me that my opinion was invalid. literally a paragraph before you wrote these baseless accusations. You should take your advice and really listen to yourself, read the accusations you throw at people and then read your own posts. I've also got to say that your friends on here are doing you a massive disservice by feeding your victim complex instead of helping you overcome it. A good friend would tell you when you are wrong and help you do better.

Overall, the only reason you want to stop people accusing others of any kind of bigotry is because you're scared of being accused because you obviously can't dispel accusations like that which is why you go on the attack like you have on this post even though it doesn't make a lick of sense to do so. You've just used your stock insults against me although they make no sense in the context you've used them.

[Tom4784]

The accusation of bullying is just another attempt to silence people who have the right to criticse what anyone else says. If you say something that people will disagree with then it's just as much their right to voice their opposing opinion as it is for you to voice it in the first place.

Kazanne, you say it's not okay to belittle someone but what do you have to say about all of the terms Brillo uses such as snowflake? Leftie? Remoaner? ETC? The only purpose of those terms are to be hostile and belittling towards people. If you have a problem with accusations of racism then what's your stance on Brillo's uses of these terms?

[Maru]

The terms racist, homophobic, sexist, etc that this poll highlights get tossed around on this forum like it's candy on Halloween. So understandably (though this is definitely not my approach ) some people will toss PC, Leftist Bullying, misandric, etc gets tossed back...

I'm very reluctant respond to this poll for example, because it feels like another setup to be brought into character assassinations, which comes from both ends tbqf.

I don't even think the issue is the words being tossed about, as much as people are feeling baited and gaslit (welcome to 2018) and feeling like they have to respond to every character attack... and the disparate modding on this board enables a persecution complex (I've seen both sides complain about mods) of sorts, because then they think they're being hand selected for their strong views.

My solution would've been to edit posts with mod sig and leave note in posts why they were edited to keep it transparent. Except we're in weird times where everyone feels like if you try to adjust their words or if it happens when certain groups are involved, then it turns into a conspiracy theory...

My question to those who answered No in the poll, when you respond with these inflammatory words and throw labels... what are you individually getting out of it? Because it isn't changing minds, clearly. I do think there are attempts to bully at times (edited, created a bit of a broad stroke there).. maybe not silence, but to create discomfort for other people on board with your strong opinions in order to starve them of breathing room... only one side can really be accused of this because obviously there is a huge minority of right-wing-ish users... but are staff responsible for picking sides? No. In my opinion, everyone should be edited as TS suggested--all baiting behavior (incendiary language), etc.. but I personally perfectly happy to ignore it (personally)

I'm just sad that we've really lost some great users to such petty ****. Most of the time SD is a dumpster fire (), but when you're talking with the right mix of people, it can be pretty stimulating conversation than your average small talk...

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Maru

The terms racist, homophobic, sexist, etc that this poll highlights get tossed around on this forum like it's candy on Halloween. So understandably (though this is definitely not my approach ) some people will toss PC, Leftist Bullying, misandric, etc gets tossed back...

I'm very reluctant respond to this poll for example, because it feels like another setup to be brought into character assassinations, which comes from both ends tbqf.

I don't even think the issue is the words being tossed about, as much as people are feeling baited and gaslit (welcome to 2018) and feeling like they have to respond to every character attack... and the disparate modding on this board enables a persecution complex (I've seen both sides complain about mods) of sorts, because then they think they're being hand selected for their strong views.

My solution would've been to edit posts with mod sig and leave note in posts why they were edited to keep it transparent. Except we're in weird times where everyone feels like if you try to adjust their words or if it happens when certain groups are involved, then it turns into a conspiracy theory...

My question to those who answered No in the poll, when you respond with these inflammatory words and throw labels... what are you individually getting out of it? Because it isn't changing minds, clearly. I do think there are attempts to bully at times (edited, created a bit of a broad stroke there).. maybe not silence, but to create discomfort for other people on board with your strong opinions in order to starve them of breathing room... only one side can really be accused of this because obviously there is a huge minority of right-wing-ish users... but are staff responsible for picking sides? No. In my opinion, everyone should be edited as TS suggested--all baiting behavior (incendiary language), etc.. but I personally perfectly happy to ignore it (personally)

I'm just sad that we've really lost some great users to such petty ****. Most of the time SD is a dumpster fire (), but when you're talking with the right mix of people, it can be pretty stimulating conversation than your average small talk...

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Maru

My solution would've been to edit posts with mod sig and leave note in posts why they were edited to keep it transparent. Except we're in weird times where everyone feels like if you try to adjust their words or if it happens when certain groups are involved, then it turns into a conspiracy theory...

This already happens, if we edit stuff it shows that we edited it, and even when we do that we get people kicking off. Only way people would be happy was with if we stopped modding at all.and even that would not stop people moaning as then they would be saying 'well X is insulting me, why are they not banned' and such. People want modding, and harsh modding, when it suits them. Basically they want people who argue with them infracted, but think that their infractions are all bias and wrong

Back to the editing thing, as I said that function exists already but its too much of a pain in the arse to comb back through a large thread editing out obvious baiting, and then all of the quotes also. Only for the same thing to be started up again, generally its much easier to just delete the posts. If there is an otherwise decent post with a line of baiting in it though or a random insult, we will edit rather than remove the good post. Quite rare to see good thought out posts in this section anyway, these days its all sniping and baiting tbh. Which is a big reason I am happy you are back tbh, your posts are always decent /arselickingover

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Maru

The terms racist, homophobic, sexist, etc that this poll highlights get tossed around on this forum like it's candy on Halloween. So understandably (though this is definitely not my approach ) some people will toss PC, Leftist Bullying, misandric, etc gets tossed back...

I'm very reluctant respond to this poll for example, because it feels like another setup to be brought into character assassinations, which comes from both ends tbqf.

I don't even think the issue is the words being tossed about, as much as people are feeling baited and gaslit (welcome to 2018) and feeling like they have to respond to every character attack... and the disparate modding on this board enables a persecution complex (I've seen both sides complain about mods) of sorts, because then they think they're being hand selected for their strong views.

My solution would've been to edit posts with mod sig and leave note in posts why they were edited to keep it transparent. Except we're in weird times where everyone feels like if you try to adjust their words or if it happens when certain groups are involved, then it turns into a conspiracy theory...

My question to those who answered No in the poll, when you respond with these inflammatory words and throw labels... what are you individually getting out of it? Because it isn't changing minds, clearly. I do think there are attempts to bully at times (edited, created a bit of a broad stroke there).. maybe not silence, but to create discomfort for other people on board with your strong opinions in order to starve them of breathing room... only one side can really be accused of this because obviously there is a huge minority of right-wing-ish users... but are staff responsible for picking sides? No. In my opinion, everyone should be edited as TS suggested--all baiting behavior (incendiary language), etc.. but I personally perfectly happy to ignore it (personally)

I'm just sad that we've really lost some great users to such petty ****. Most of the time SD is a dumpster fire (), but when you're talking with the right mix of people, it can be pretty stimulating conversation than your average small talk...

The thread wasnt supposed to be about tibb (but somehow we keep going back to brillo, so i see why you might think that!), I dont think many who answered 'no' in the poll answered with tibb in mind.

I'm pretty sure I've never called someone a racist in, or outside of tibb. If I did use it, it would be to determine whether or not the offender knew how their words/actions were being perceived. Because them knowing/not knowing would alter my feelings and responses to their words/actions. But my reaction would be kinda irrelevant to the question, the question is asking whther theyre entitled to be that way to begin with.

[thesheriff443]

On here!, its like ants rolling the same big ball of **** from one side of the room to the other and back again over and over.

He said this and she said that, on here all opinions are worth the same and that's nothing.

[Vicky.]

Ammi you need to start reporting posts like the ones you described tbh. Its not really fair to be saying that they were not removed, when there is a large chance we didn't know about them. If its accurate what you recall, and it had been reported, those would definitely have been removed. Even when mods post in threads we do not necessarily read all the posts in the thread (I tend to in this section mind, not so much in the BB bit)

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Ammi you need to start reporting posts like the ones you described tbh. Its not really fair to be saying that they were not removed, when there is a large chance we didn't know about them. If its accurate what you recall, and it had been reported, those would definitely have been removed. Even when mods post in threads we do not necessarily read all the posts in the thread (I tend to in this section mind, not so much in the BB bit)

...I would indeed have either reported or posted myself with any member who I felt was being targeted quite unnecessarily rather than being ‘responded to’ ...had obviously I been able to do either at the time, Vicky...I’m sorry that you think it’s unfair that I’ve mentioned is but I’ve only been able to mention it because the posts/attacks were there to be seen...

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...I would indeed have either reported or posted myself with any member who I felt was being targeted quite unnecessarily rather than being ‘responded to’ ...had obviously I been able to do either at the time, Vicky...I’m sorry that you think it’s unfair that I’ve mentioned is but I’ve only been able to mention it because the posts/attacks were there to be seen...

I don't think its unfair you mention it

I think its kind of unfair to not actually report it at the time but be bringing it up now with the 'they were not deleted, left to stand still' type angle, when if they were reported they most likely from what you have said, would have been deleted.

Actually rather curious about these posts now

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I don't think its unfair you mention it

I think its kind of unfair to not actually report it at the time but be bringing it up now with the 'they were not deleted, left to stand still' type angle, when if they were reported they most likely from what you have said, would have been deleted.

Actually rather curious about these posts now

...I’ve just responded to your message so I’ll leave it with that, Vicky...

[Marsh.]

Oh give it a rest. Every topic becomes all about how you're a victim, do you never get tired of talking about yourself?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Oh give it a rest. Every topic becomes all about how you're a victim, do you never get tired of talking about yourself?

Just pass on by then as I have no interest in your opinion on the subject thanks.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Just pass on by then as I have no interest in your opinion on the subject thanks.

Oh, so now this is "Brillo's Serious Debates & News" where we need your interest and permission to join in?