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Old 24-01-2018, 08:43 PM #26
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Yes I would indeed.
Because at meetings I sit alongside Jewish members who are desperate to see Labour in power.
In the election last year,I canvassed and helped Jewish candidates.

Labour does have Jewish MPs you know.,rightly so too who believe that party is the best for them.
Also rightly so.

We all battling together,doing our bit to get a Labour govt elected.
Your vision of the left and Labour bears no resemblance to all of us as Members no matter who we are.

Your comment came from a likely hate for the left and Labour.
My comment of that being nonsense comes from my knowledge of working alongside fellow Jewish Labour party members,yes members.
Socially and working for the party.

The Labour party does not hate or dislike the Jewish people,that's your intense dislike and misinformed opinion,that you love to hold against just about all on the left of politics.
You can’t speak for the Labour Party as a whole because you don’t know most of them. Just maybe many of your comments come from your hate for the Tories and hence your eagerness to believe everything Labour say.

I am inclined to believe that Livia isn’t misinformed at all on this subject, neither do I believe she is influenced by hate. I think she thinks too logically for that.
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Old 24-01-2018, 09:05 PM #27
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You can’t speak for the Labour Party as a whole because you don’t know most of them. Just maybe many of your comments come from your hate for the Tories and hence your eagerness to believe everything Labour say.

I am inclined to believe that Livia isn’t misinformed at all on this subject, neither do I believe she is influenced by hate. I think she thinks too logically for that.
Of course you wouldn't agree with me,what's new.

I can speak far more as a member and activist going round the Country in elections for Labour than most on here who certainly are not members.

I've been on the receiving end of sheer nastiness because I changed my politics.
So don't lecture me thank you


Furthermore I do not hate the Cons.
I hate the policies of the current leadership and this govt.plus the Coalition too.

I have loads of Con supporter friends,none as vile towards Labour and myself as I've had to put up with on here.
I have said also,if you ever bothered to properly read my posts,rather than nitpicking and being sarcastic most of the time.
That I KNOW there are loads of decent Con MPs and I wish and hope they will soon take back the Cons to compassionate conservatism.
Which most of them are.

I keep saying this but honestly I couldn't care what you think as to my views or what I say because I don't give a jot to anything you spout off.

I am a member of the Labour party,so clearly ,I'll know a great deal more about it than someone who is NOT who only hates it and spouts that hate for it and the left of politics too regularly.
It's utter nonsense to claim Labour hates the Jewish people,total tripe
Just as it was claiming other things in a vile post that had to be removed as to the Labour party and the left.

I wouldn't be in the Party if I ever thought it hated the Jewish people, all I do is campaign,work with and socialise too,with my Jewish colleagues in Labour.
Who also wouldn't recognise the description of Labour and the left as to any hating of Jewish people.

That's a smokescreen from extreme Con supporters who hate the left to cloud over their own rotten govts.heartless cruel policies.

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Of course you wouldn't agree with me,what's new.

I can speak far more as a member and activist going round the Country in elections for Labour than most on here who certainly are not members.

I've been on the receiving end of sheer nastiness because I changed my politics.
So don't lecture me thank you


Furthermore I do not hate the Cons.
I hate the policies of the current leadership and this govt.plus the Coalition too.

I have loads of Con supporter friends,none as vile towards Labour and myself as I've had to put up with on here.
I have said also,if you ever bothered to properly read my posts,rather than nitpicking and being sarcastic most of the time.
That I KNOW there are loads of decent Con MPs and I wish and hope they will soon take back the Cons to compassionate conservatism.
Which most of them are.

I keep saying this but honestly I couldn't care what you think as to my views or what I say because I don't give a jot to anything you spout off.

I am a member of the Labour party,so clearly ,I'll know a great deal more about it than someone who is NOT who only hates it and spouts that hate for it and the left of politics too regularly.
It's utter nonsense to claim Labour hates the Jewish people,total tripe
Just as it was claiming other things in a vile post that had to be removed as to the Labour party and the left.

I wouldn't be in the Party if I ever thought it hated the Jewish people, all I do is campaign,work with and socialise too,with my Jewish colleagues in Labour.
Who also wouldn't recognise the description of Labour and the left as to any hating of Jewish people.

That's a smokescreen from extreme Con supporters who hate the left to cloud over their own rotten govts.heartless cruel policies.
And maybe the people you accuse of hating labour just hate many of labour and corbyn’s policies. It works both ways.
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And maybe the people you accuse of hating labour just hate many of labour and corbyn’s policies. It works both ways.
Never found them saying anything good about Labour or any of its recent leaders or PMs either,for that matter.

Calling the left things like red nazis,terrorist supporters and Jewish hating.
As to party and supporters from the left doesn't sound in any way rational to me or anything really to do with policies.

It likely does possibly.to you however.
Not me it doesn't thankfully.
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The difference between the Cons and Labour is, one supports the Jewish state in Israel and one doesn't. Anyone who supports the Balfour Declaration will intensely dislike the Left.
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Yes I would indeed.
Because at meetings I sit alongside Jewish members who are desperate to see Labour in power.
In the election last year,I canvassed and helped Jewish candidates.

Labour does have Jewish MPs you know.,rightly so too who believe that party is the best for them.
Also rightly so.

We all battling together,doing our bit to get a Labour govt elected.
Your vision of the left and Labour bears no resemblance to all of us as Members no matter who we are.

Your comment came from a likely hate for the left and Labour.
My comment of that being nonsense comes from my knowledge of working alongside fellow Jewish Labour party members,yes members.
Socially and working for the party.

The Labour party does not hate or dislike the Jewish people,that's your intense dislike and misinformed opinion,that you love to hold against just about all on the left of politics.

All that anecdotal evidence doesn't change the fact that Jews have been harassed and insulted by members of the Labour party generally.

And they do themselves no favours at all by getting a well-known supporter to investigate Antisemitism claims... and guess what? She said, nothing to see here! Just as expected. And nano-seconds later, she was made a Baroness. And then Labour have the bloody cheek to moan about the Tories' choice of award winners!

Your last paragraph is a ridiculous sweeping statement.
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The difference between the Cons and Labour is, one supports the Jewish state in Israel and one doesn't. Anyone who supports the Balfour Declaration will intensely dislike the Left.
We're not talking about Israel. We're talking about Jews. I know Labour supporters try to use that excuse... but I'm afraid it doesn't cut it any more, it muddies the waters and insinuates Jewish people are either all Israel supporters, or that they don't understand the situation like you do.

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I am a member of the Labour party,so clearly ,I'll know a great deal more about it than someone who is NOT who only hates it and spouts that hate for it and the left of politics too regularly.
It's utter nonsense to claim Labour hates the Jewish people,total tripe
Just as it was claiming other things in a vile post that had to be removed as to the Labour party and the left.
There are obvious problems within the Labour party with Antisemitism. of course this does not mean ever single Labour MP hates Jews or anything, or even that most of them do. But there is an obvious problem.

The 'vile post' you mention was deleted by me. As they had already attempted to doxx me, so I figured that linking myself on here would make things much worse. It was not removed for any other reason, nor did it have to be removed, I removed it for my privacy given they are already basically cyber-stalking me. But yes, Labour members, and staff, are compiling files on women who do not agree male people are female, and attempting to get them kicked out of the party. They are breaking data protection laws also, by publicly publishing peoples membership numbers. Though they have clicked onto this and have NOW made the files private, not before the police were informed and many many screenshots taken to prove that they are breaking the law and harassing people though. Adding the deletion message to this post, though it may not be readable..hopefully it is.

I actually really want to undelete it now since you seem to think its not true and thats why it was deleted... It is definitely true, I was a victim of the misogynists and the admin of the group who are doing this, is a current Labour Womens Officer.

I have absolutely no need to be smearing Labour. I am/was a Labour voter ffs and would actually like to be able to vote for them next time, am naturally left leaning. But I cannot vote for them while they are allowing behavior like this to go on, or whilst they are being so utterly ridiculous. I cannot bring myself to vote Tory, even if I wanted to, and the rest are pretty much wasted votes anyway. There is no party for me to vote for currently, and thats quite concerning.
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There are obvious problems within the Labour party with Antisemitism. of course this does not mean ever single Labour MP hates Jews or anything, or even that most of them do. But there is an obvious problem.

The 'vile post' you mention was deleted by me. As they had already attempted to doxx me, so I figured that linking myself on here would make things much worse. It was not removed for any other reason, nor did it have to be removed, I removed it for my privacy given they are already basically cyber-stalking me. But yes, Labour members, and staff, are compiling files on women who do not agree male people are female, and attempting to get them kicked out of the party. They are breaking data protection laws also, by publicly publishing peoples membership numbers. Though they have clicked onto this and have NOW made the files private, not before the police were informed and many many screenshots taken to prove that they are breaking the law and harassing people though. Adding the deletion message to this post, though it may not be readable..hopefully it is.

I actually really want to undelete it now since you seem to think its not true and thats why it was deleted... It is definitely true, I was a victim of the misogynists and the admin of the group who are doing this, is a current Labour Womens Officer.

I have absolutely no need to be smearing Labour. I am/was a Labour voter ffs and would actually like to be able to vote for them next time, am naturally left leaning. But I cannot vote for them while they are allowing behavior like this to go on, or whilst they are being so utterly ridiculous. I cannot bring myself to vote Tory, even if I wanted to, and the rest are pretty much wasted votes anyway. There is no party for me to vote for currently, and thats quite concerning.
I agree... particularly with the first para... it's not all Labour supporters.
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There are obvious problems within the Labour party with Antisemitism. of course this does not mean ever single Labour MP hates Jews or anything, or even that most of them do. But there is an obvious problem.

The 'vile post' you mention was deleted by me. As they had already attempted to doxx me, so I figured that linking myself on here would make things much worse. It was not removed for any other reason, nor did it have to be removed, I removed it for my privacy given they are already basically cyber-stalking me. But yes, Labour members, and staff, are compiling files on women who do not agree male people are female, and attempting to get them kicked out of the party. They are breaking data protection laws also, by publicly publishing peoples membership numbers. Though they have clicked onto this and have NOW made the files private, not before the police were informed and many many screenshots taken to prove that they are breaking the law and harassing people though. Adding the deletion message to this post, though it may not be readable..hopefully it is.

I actually really want to undelete it now since you seem to think its not true and thats why it was deleted... It is definitely true, I was a victim of the misogynists and the admin of the group who are doing this, is a current Labour Womens Officer.

I have absolutely no need to be smearing Labour. I am/was a Labour voter ffs and would actually like to be able to vote for them next time, am naturally left leaning. But I cannot vote for them while they are allowing behavior like this to go on, or whilst they are being so utterly ridiculous. I cannot bring myself to vote Tory, even if I wanted to, and the rest are pretty much wasted votes anyway. There is no party for me to vote for currently, and thats quite concerning.
Strewth.
The world is mad.
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We're not talking about Israel. We're talking about Jews. I know Labour supporters try to use that excuse... but I'm afraid it doesn't cut it any more, it muddies the waters and insinuates Jewish people are either all Israel supporters, or that they don't understand the situation like you do.
Oh I think I understand it more than you think. We aren't though, allowed to talk about ziionism or anti-zionism on here but we can bastardize anything else.
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