[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

You clearly lack understanding on the difference between questioning and aggressive insults.

It is after all in your interests to deny and try to undermine every word I say as you are the one who throws such words around at the drop of a hat. You have certainly chucked that word my way more than any other member on here.

I won’t indulge you and your ‘opinions’ any more.

You consider racist an insult, your definition of insults is not the same as most people's.

This post is just proof of what I've been saying a lot. you are literally trying to silence me by making out that I'm attacking you when I and everyone else you think is attacking you is literally just engaging you in a discussion. You are undermining anyone who has a different opinion to you by branding their posts as attacks instead of acknowledging that everyone has a right to an opinion.

I do disagree with Vicky on one thing she mentioned, I don't think terms like snowflakes, remoaners, loony leftie etc is the same as Racist/Homophobe etc. You can accuse someone of the latter of being so without it being an insult but calling someone a snowflake, remoaner, leftie is always intended as an insult to belittle people on their views.

If I've accused you of racism then I'm guessing, like that school thread I've linked, I've given you reasons as to why it's my opinion that you are a racist. On the other hand, you've never had a good reason to brand me a terrorist sympathiser yet you have multiple times in the past because I have a different opinion on Muslims to you. Unlike you, however, I'll take your accusations and absolutely destroy them because that's what you do against false accusations.

At the end of the day, Brillo, it comes down to the fact that you can give it out all you like but you can't take it if someone dishes it back to you. It's always been the case.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

You consider racist an insult, your definition of insults is not the same as most people's.

This post is just proof of what I've been saying a lot. you are literally trying to silence me by making out that I'm attacking you when I and everyone else you think is attacking you is literally just engaging you in a discussion. You are undermining anyone who has a different opinion to you by branding their posts as attacks instead of acknowledging that everyone has a right to an opinion.

I do disagree with Vicky on one thing she mentioned, I don't think terms like snowflakes, remoaners, loony leftie etc is the same as Racist/Homophobe etc. You can accuse someone of the latter of being so without it being an insult but calling someone a snowflake, remoaner, leftie is always intended as an insult to belittle people on their views.

If I've accused you of racism then I'm guessing, like that school thread I've linked, I've given you reasons as to why it's my opinion that you are a racist. On the other hand, you've never had a good reason to brand me a terrorist sympathiser yet you have multiple times in the past because I have a different opinion on Muslims to you. Unlike you, however, I'll take your accusations and absolutely destroy them because that's what you do against false accusations.

At the end of the day, Brillo, it comes down to the fact that you can give it out all you like but you can't take it if someone dishes it back to you. It's always been the case.

What a load of old tosh - really! Apart from the rest of it that that I really can’t be bothered to address with you anymore - the sheer fact you think that calling someone a leftie or a remoaner is insulting but calling someone a bigot or a racist isn’t is so ridiculous it completely invalidates any opinion you have in my opinion.

You are just trying to dig yourself out of that hole you have dug for yourself with all your attempted shut-down insults and now backtracking at a rate of knots trying to suggest you weren’t trying to insult or belittle people.

So you really expect people to believe that when you call someone a racist, bigot or homophobe you are not trying to insult them! You should listen to yourself!

[Marsh.]

Oh give it a rest. Every topic becomes all about how you're a victim, do you never get tired of talking about yourself?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Oh give it a rest. Every topic becomes all about how you're a victim, do you never get tired of talking about yourself?

Just pass on by then as I have no interest in your opinion on the subject thanks.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Just pass on by then as I have no interest in your opinion on the subject thanks.

Oh, so now this is "Brillo's Serious Debates & News" where we need your interest and permission to join in?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Oh, so now this is "Brillo's Serious Debates & News" where we need your interest and permission to join in?

Nope, but I don’t have to join in with you.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Nope, but I don’t have to join in with you.

Who said you did? Nobody's forcing you to communicate with anyone.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

What a load of old tosh - really! Apart from the rest of it that that I really can’t be bothered to address with you anymore - the sheer fact you think that calling someone a leftie or a remoaner is insulting but calling someone a bigot or a racist isn’t is so ridiculous it completely invalidates any opinion you have in my opinion.

You are just trying to dig yourself out of that hole you have dug for yourself with all your attempted shut-down insults and now backtracking at a rate of knots trying to suggest you weren’t trying to insult or belittle people.

So you really expect people to believe that when you call someone a racist, bigot or homophobe you are not trying to insult them! You should listen to yourself!

That's funny, you ignore most of it because you don't have an answer for it, don't pretend it's for any other reason than that.

Of course your terms for people that think differently to you are insulting. As I said before and it's a sentiment that's been shared by a lot of people on here, If you want to accuse someone of racism then you can, as long as you aren't insulting and you can back up your accusation then it's not an insult. You calling anyone that disagrees with you a leftie or a remoaner is not the same, that's just you trying to shut down anyone else's opinion.

As for the boded point, what gives you the right to decide whose opinion is 'valid'? What makes you different to everyone else in that you alone can decide what opinions can be and which ones cannot? You have a massive problem with freedom of Speech and your words prove it here, you believe freedom of speech is just for you and people who share your opinion and no one else.

As for the only one shutting down opinions and backtracking, that would be you, you just told me that my opinion was invalid. literally a paragraph before you wrote these baseless accusations. You should take your advice and really listen to yourself, read the accusations you throw at people and then read your own posts. I've also got to say that your friends on here are doing you a massive disservice by feeding your victim complex instead of helping you overcome it. A good friend would tell you when you are wrong and help you do better.

Overall, the only reason you want to stop people accusing others of any kind of bigotry is because you're scared of being accused because you obviously can't dispel accusations like that which is why you go on the attack like you have on this post even though it doesn't make a lick of sense to do so. You've just used your stock insults against me although they make no sense in the context you've used them.

[Withano]

I'm not being funny though, can Brillo be banned from this thread? She's been talking about herself for about 6 pages now and I'm not even exaggerating.

49 posts (more than everybody else!) and I genuinely dont think shes contributed to the discussion once.

[Kizzy]

I've come to love the term 'leftie' it's a badge of honour if anything I'm immensely proud of my left wing views, even PC too is so abstract and generalised that it's leveled at just about anyone anyone.

However the terms bigot and racist are very specific.. you have to have a certain criteria to fit to be accused of being racist, none of the terms mentioned are essentially derogatory you have to analyse your words and decide whether the terms apply... have I a left leaning view? ..Yes so I am a 'lefty' I suppose. Is my view in the main politically correct ( in my definition of the word, not hate speech, follows the laws as they stand in the UK).... yes

You have to ask yourself, could anything I have said ever be considered racist or bigoted?... It's not an insult if there is more than a grain of truth in the accusation is it? If you are in denial or simply unaware of how you are coming across you could see this as a learning curve.

It's great to be honest, I love honesty, honesty is my favourite.
I'm honestly left wing.
Have you ever heard anyone say they are honestly bigoted? Not many, specifically here.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Withano

I'm not being funny though, can Brillo be banned from this thread? She's been talking about herself for about 6 pages now and I'm not even exaggerating.

49 posts (more than everybody else!) and I genuinely dont think shes contributed to the discussion once.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

I'm not being funny though, can Brillo be banned from this thread? She's been talking about herself for about 6 pages now and I'm not even exaggerating.

49 posts (more than everybody else!) and I genuinely dont think shes contributed to the discussion once.

It’s called calling out the PC brigade. As I have been one of those labelled by such PC I have every right to do so - not surprised the PC bunch don’t like it and again try to shut me down.

As you were the one previously mentioned who was actually telling me that the place was a better place without me and others pointed out how that had been perceived as bullying I don’t think anything you have to say on this can be construed as anything but completely bias with a very obvious agenda.

[thesheriff443]

An old favourite!, back on topic please.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

That's funny, you ignore most of it because you don't have an answer for it, don't pretend it's for any other reason than that.

Of course your terms for people that think differently to you are insulting. As I said before and it's a sentiment that's been shared by a lot of people on here, If you want to accuse someone of racism then you can, as long as you aren't insulting and you can back up your accusation then it's not an insult. You calling anyone that disagrees with you a leftie or a remoaner is not the same, that's just you trying to shut down anyone else's opinion.

As for the boded point, what gives you the right to decide whose opinion is 'valid'? What makes you different to everyone else in that you alone can decide what opinions can be and which ones cannot? You have a massive problem with freedom of Speech and your words prove it here, you believe freedom of speech is just for you and people who share your opinion and no one else.

As for the only one shutting down opinions and backtracking, that would be you, you just told me that my opinion was invalid. literally a paragraph before you wrote these baseless accusations. You should take your advice and really listen to yourself, read the accusations you throw at people and then read your own posts. I've also got to say that your friends on here are doing you a massive disservice by feeding your victim complex instead of helping you overcome it. A good friend would tell you when you are wrong and help you do better.

Overall, the only reason you want to stop people accusing others of any kind of bigotry is because you're scared of being accused because you obviously can't dispel accusations like that which is why you go on the attack like you have on this post even though it doesn't make a lick of sense to do so. You've just used your stock insults against me although they make no sense in the context you've used them.

Your bias is blatant in your sentiments that the insults you throw at others are not insults because you tell us so, but any retorts to your insults are because you tell us so. It is clear that you view your opinions as the only valid opinions and any opposing opinions as ignorance - you state it often enough.

So no I no longer view your opinions on this as valid because they are so biased. You have your perspective and refuse to acknowledge any other perspective as valid - you just see some poor Soul who needs educating by you on the errors of their ways and if that doesn’t succeed you resort to insults to shut them up.

In your mind your views are fact and any explanation you have offered up as ‘evidence’ is so because you say it is. I don’t recall you presenting any cast iron facts, just more opinions and attempted explanations that in my opinion didn’t cut it. Something isn’t fact because you say it is.

And what is this with trying to bring others into this by attempting to imply that anyone else who expresses their opinions on all this that are not to your liking are misguided friends who are doing this poor bigot no favours - when some who passed comment I had never even exchanged a single post with previously. That is pretty desperate. Are you now trying to undermine their opinions as well? Pretty low blow in my opinion. Besides you have those same few who back-up your words on many occasions including those who are also just as keen to throw around similar insults. Big fail on that one.

As far as I am concerned your post is just more spin in your ever increasing attempts to defend your attacks on those whose opinions you have nothing but distain for in the same old shut-down way. It is you who has issues with free-speech but as ever you will twist and turn in an attempt to run rings around people and muddy the waters - after your previous insults failed to have the desired effect of course.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

It’s called calling out the PC brigade. As I have been one of those labelled by such PC I have every right to do so - not surprised the PC bunch don’t like it and again try to shut me down.

As you were the one previously mentioned who was actually telling me that the place was a better place without me and others pointed out how that had been perceived as bullying I don’t think anything you have to say on this can be construed as anything but completely bias with a very obvious agenda.

I cant even begin to understand how you think this is relevant to the OP or to my post you just quoted. It isn't, I'm literally asking if you could, for once, stop talking about yourself or others, and start discussing the topic, or just simply shut up. Make your own thread about yourself if you like, dont just assume one about racists is close enough to steer towards yourself cos its ****ing boring.
You're now 50 posts in to "calling out the PC brigade" because youre upset about various things. Thats like the most PC thing I've ever seen in or outside of tibb.

[Vicky.]

Will sort this thread out soon, closed for now.