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24-01-2018, 06:15 AM | #26 | |||
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There is no chance of people being happy all of the time, it's a forgone conclusion that here will be times if not huge swaths of your life where you will be anything but due you a myriad of contributory factors, that said it doesn't necessarily follow that the pursuit of happiness is a flawed concept. What even is happiness? My happiness it different you yours and his, so how can he comment on it as a general term? He has no clue what my perception of 'happiness' is to render it 'pointless'. When you are not happy there is always hope, Please don't attempt to explain things to me as that never ends well, I have stated my view based on the full interview it's my opinion on the topic as I see it 'm not seeking to alter anyones view with my own and I'm not looking for mine analysed either. I see you suggesting I'm wrong for my view on his ideology, my response to that is I am aware of his views on social policy but my opinion as to his core values stands. Gender roles are in my opinion governed by socialisation , I don't know which interview you were watching but the onus wasn't on only on 'technical' roles, it was in the main discussing the masculine use of competitiveness and female being 'agreeable'. Your view misses the point entirely. In you judgement that Women ARE psychologically different, how does that compare in say the case of the BBC female reporters being paid less than their male counterparts? Even though they have fought to get where they are and used all the combativeness the males spoiling for their role used?
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24-01-2018, 06:33 AM | #27 | |||
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There is a difference, it's a fundamental difference these trolls are targeting this woman specifically for her questioning this man and his views on gender roles, it is not based on her as a person or her own views and/ or actions. If we start to be accepting of these attacks to challenges in the setting of a channel four newsroom then how could similar challenges be met outside? in public? Would they be tolerated ...no of course not. It isn't acceptable for people to threaten and abuse MPs, quite rightly nobody whether in the public eye or not should have to accept that abuse. It isn't 'twitter crap' downplaying it like this isn't helpful. She is essentially being bullied for daring to challenge this man by those who decry 'pc' as limiting freedom of speech.... it makes no sense :/
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31-01-2018, 06:23 PM | #28 | ||
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31-01-2018, 06:28 PM | #29 | |||
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I'll watch this later tonight if I can get settled enough, NM
It's been crazy busy here... and I have a lot of YT to catch up on |
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31-01-2018, 06:55 PM | #30 | |||
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I'm not going to watch the interview now as I'm kind of watching something Peterson recommends.
I recently finished his book '12 Rules for Life'. A relative gave it to me and I initially recoiled because Peterson is known to be alternative Right and religious... I'm neither. I'm glad I did read it though, I find a lot of his philosophical thinking around reforming capitalism and how in this neoliberal world we search for our individual self's (self realization) through consumerism, quite captivating. There's no doubt that Peterson believes the Right overlaps the Left. For example, both, in these divided ideologies voice opposition to corporate power; both condemn our financial system and both are trying to find a moral compass. There are a lot of things I don't agree with re his thinking but the way in which he thinks things out make for an inspirational read.
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01-02-2018, 04:14 PM | #31 | |||
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Peterson and Shapiro having a good old natter. |
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01-02-2018, 05:25 PM | #32 | |||
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The one thing Peterson can do is talk about the political left and the political right in a positive way. He's not offensive, he's not hostile, unless someone tries to twist his words and not address what he's actually saying, but instead take a small snippet of his dialogue and make an accusation that it meant something else. People use this rhetorical technique all the time. They do it on social media, they do it in interviews and we do it on here. When Peterson reacts, he's doing so because he sees this nonsense as needless devision.
Edited to add: I'm not about to become alternative Right but I'll continue to follow his very interesting views on life.
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01-02-2018, 08:38 PM | #33 | ||
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There are reports that someone did a survey and Peterson got like thirty times more abuse than her from her fans and feminists.
Only he didn’t ring the police to try and distract everyone from the content of the interview |
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01-02-2018, 09:04 PM | #34 | |||
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It's the Marxist tactic. When you can't win the debate, play the victim.
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02-02-2018, 12:35 AM | #35 | |||
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02-02-2018, 01:56 AM | #36 | ||
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Regressive left, I am starting to believe.
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02-02-2018, 01:38 PM | #37 | |||
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Try reading his book. He's a confessed anti far left and embraces a lot of alternative right ideology. That's not far right, its alternative right.
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02-02-2018, 01:46 PM | #38 | |||
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He doesn't dislike the progressive Left!! Progressive left come under the same umbrella as social democrats and social liberals.
"It's the Marxist tactic. When you can't win the debate, play the victim." Its this sort of comment that Peterson would rip you a new one for. You clearly don't understand how this man thinks.
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03-02-2018, 03:33 AM | #39 | |||
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I do think because he is a psychologist, he had a huge advantage over her in turns of tuning into what she was saying and why she was saying it. I do agree with the video, that the interview was her tossing out positions to him that he didn't actually hold in order to trick him into defending it. That happens a lot in the news media. They are attempting to generate controversy, not get to the actual facts... but people looking for controversy in Peterson because they hear things like "alt-right" "white supremacist", they're not filtering for a difference in opinion, they are waiting to see if he will become defensive and lose his composure (does he have anything to hide?, etc) Also, clean your room! Quote:
This is quite good. I did all the way through and it covers a variety of topics. The discussion over theology was fascinating. Honestly, I love Rubin's chats because they're just so unplanned. You don't really know much of what they end up talking about by the end, it's like watching a rather normal conversation unfold between two people. |
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