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Old 03-10-2007, 10:35 AM #426
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Nah. Must be brain cells.
No Baz... 2.1 brain cells
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Well that pesky Moroccan family have been up to there old tricks again. I think Amy may have a point.

Look at this new photo just coming in from the major new agencies.

DEAR GOD!

They've finally found Dot Cotton!

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We have been through this. It is Gail Platt.
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We have been through this. It is Gail Platt.
No. If you look at this crystal clear zoom in on her face you can see it is Dot Cotton. I know I am right, right, right and you are wrong, wrong, wrong and you will be gutted and sorry when I am proven right.
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MADDIE: CHIEF COP SACKED

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THE BOOZY Portuguese police chief heading the Madeleine McCann inquiry has been sacked from the case after accusing Brit detectives of shielding her parents.


Chief Insp Goncalo Amaral was demoted last night – his 48th birthday – after publicly slamming UK officers for only following up leads that GP Kate and heart surgeon Gerry, both 39, wanted investigating.



The officer, now the equivalent of a constable, had been leading a 30-strong team probing the four-year-old’s disappearance. He has been moved to a small office in Faro.



Amaral had raged: “British police have only investigated tips and information developed and worked on for the McCanns, forgetting the couple are suspects in the death of their daughter Madeleine.’’



His “explosive and indignant” attack caused such a rift, Portugal’s minister of justice Alberto Costa last night had to stepped in. He insisted: “There is great co-operation between police in Portugal and Britain.”



Amaral’s tirade came days after he was blasted for taking long boozy lunches during the case. While the eyes of the world were on last week’s apparent sighting in Morocco, Amaral spent two hours knocking back wine in a restaurant.



The gold medallion-wearing, beer-bellied bobby even breached Portugal’s strict secrecy laws. He told ex-Formula 1 driver Pedro Lamy he was sure Madeleine was dead.



The officer was overheard saying he believed the McCanns had drugged their daughter to keep her quiet and accidentally killed her.



He added: “The police case is we are sure the parents killed Maddie. They are both doctors and know about drugs.”



Details of the officer’s knees-ups came amid claims that Amaral had failed to investigate 252 tip-offs about Madeleine’s possible whereabouts.



Yesterday the detective slammed the Brit police’s decision to probe a lead on the Madeleine case that had been emailed to Prince Charles’s website.



The tip-off claimed Madeleine was abducted by a disgruntled ex-maid at the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz, where the McCanns had been staying.



Portuguese police ruled it out months ago after a probe revealed the e-mailer used a bogus identity and the maid did not exist. Amaral said the lead “has no credibility for the Portuguese police”.



Last night the McCanns’ spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: “We are aware Mr Amaral has been removed from his post and we cannot comment. Kate and Gerry will co-operate with the Portuguese authorities regardless of who is in charge.”
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there is living in denial and theres the far off place where you seem to be living
I am NOT crazy in the head or living in any land i feel in my whole body that Madeleine is out there alive somewhere with her kidnappers and they keeping her hidden away. But they cant hide forever they WILL get caught out and Madeleine will be found and brought back home to her family and friends. This WILL happen so there. I will be the one who is right and you all will be wrong.
When did I actually say that she wouldn't be found? I've not ruled anything on that front.

Why does it always have to be about you being proved right?
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LOL Baz thats funny!!!
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The McCanns are now urging Portugese police to get back to hunting for Madeline in light of the top cop being sacked

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LOL Baz thats funny!!!
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[Also on Sky news the fact a British expert refused to risk his reputation in helping the Portuguese police because of the mess of an investigation by them.....

The crying example you give is quite frankly meaningless. People react to grief in different ways. In front of people/cameras hold themselves together. The fact she did not show tears is I think clutching at straws to try and convince yourself she is guilty...
This was something others had mentioned. The forensic evidence seems quite compelling. Now they have replaced the police chief heading the inquiry, I noticed how the McCanns were saying how they would cooperate with whoever was running the investigation.

What absolute rot

There are 40 questions they refused to answer. If they were innocent, why did they not answer them?

Why did they suddenly change a trip to Spain at the last moment, and go on a day when the shops would be shut.

What about the missing hours when nobody apart from the McCanns actually saw Madeline.

Why was the scent of death on the cuddle toy, the steps, in the apartment?

Kate shouting that Madeline had been taken, instead of she's gone is highly suspicious, as if a party line had been concocted.

Now we have wild speculations about mythical maids sacked by mythical clubs. Gerry cooking up a story that maybe the mythical abductor was in the room when he last checked it.

Remember 90% of all homicides happen in the home.

The most realistic scenario is that the McCanns killed their own daughter and covered it up. They are intelligent doctors and would have found a way to hide the body.

I notice on the findmadeline.com site, they have a paypal account, maybe Paypal should be alerted that they might be unwitting accomplices to fraud.
None of the points raisd are in any way evidence one way or the other.

They refused to answer 40 questions!!!! Source!!! Reliable or not???

Percentage probabilities are not evidence.....

Death scent once again not reliable as dogs get it wrong also.

Missing hours. Not evidence don't we all all have time we cannot remember and account for after an event!!!

Thus far there is no evidence come to our ears that is reliable information.

I refer you to the Sky news documentry last Sunday which was pretty damming about the Portuguese police investigation. UK expert stated he did not think the Mc'Canns did it as they neither had the motive or the opportunity...His words not mine.
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I think the one thing we can all be sure of is that the Portugese police hanve been inept in their handling of the whole case.

The McCanns behaviour and the investigation are in general 2 seperate issues, we can all easily throw stones BUT we are not in that position.

I am not aware of any "official" evidence that has been released therefore all we are each doing is speculating about the case.

I have my thoughts about the whole situation, I dont like the way the McCanns have handled things but they have kept Madeline in the eye of the worlds press, I dont like that they left their children in a vulnerable situation which is in fact what created this whole mess.

I dont like to rule them out as potential suspects, I wont say I think they did it either, I think they could be involved on some level, but want to be wrong! I cant stomach the thought that people who have generated so much interest in Madeline could be behind something so awful, I also dont like to think of any child losing their lives, particularly at the hands of their parents. I am however realistic and understand that this does happen.

Lets hope with a new person in charge of the investigation that things will move forward and they will take major steps to find that little girl where ever she might be.
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According to the latest DNA news

It looks like a slam dunk that they are responsible for Madeline's death.

Just when are the police going to arrest them?

You do not need a body to prove murder and they now have the conclusive DNA evidence to bring a successful prosecution.
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We can all drum up reports that fit our thoughts though Sticks. I think you will find your "conclusive" evidence is not so conclusive according to another report


Not so Conclusive
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Good lord!

Amy/ILC/CFL/Candice/Meline/Candy/Star12/Hayley strikes again.
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Well this report shows just how ludicrous the abduction scenario is.

Remember the Holmes maxim

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If abduction is now eliminated as impossible, the only thing we have left is what the PJ have been saying, now backed to the hilt by British forensics, that the McCans killed their own daughter and mounted a cover up campaign.

It is time they were arrested.
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Again Sticks you seem to want all the pieces to fit into a neat little box and I just dont see it. Every paper, news agency has a different slant on the story so we can all make things sit in our own little boxes of what we believe to be true.

I think to out and out accuse them is unfair, until the police have SOLID evidence then we should all tread carefully about what we assume to be true. We all have our own thoughts on the matter, I myself dont think they are without blame as they chose to leave their children unattended so they could socialise in peace. That doesnt add up to murder though. I do have my suspicions but would never go as far as to say they are guilty. At the end of the day we live in a country where a jury of our peers gets to determine our guilt following extensive evidence and case building.

Yes the crime may have happened in Portugal but as they have not yet been able to come up with enough evidence to even warrant speaking to the McCanns again how can we be sure they actually were involved.
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Portugals top Detective has taken over the investigation into missing Madeline

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Also Holidaymakers who stayed at the same apartments as the McCanns are being asked to provide DNA samples and fingerprints as part of the routine investigation. Surely this should have been done at the very start of the investigation?
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Portugals top Detective has taken over the investigation into missing Madeline

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Also Holidaymakers who stayed at the same apartments as the McCanns are being asked to provide DNA samples and fingerprints as part of the routine investigation. Surely this should have been done at the very start of the investigation?

It seems the Portuguese police did anything but what they should have done at the start. That in itself should be regarded as a crime by them. A crime of incompetence that if an abduction has taken place a little girl is lost forever due to stupid investigation decisions. If a murder by parents took place also the Portuguese incompetence might well mean the guilty go free.

As things stand in spite of Sticks passion with using none evidence as a basis to decide guilt or not there is no solid reliable evidence submited to us the public that would enable any fair minded person to come to a positive conclusion one way or the other...
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Portugals top Detective has taken over the investigation into missing Madeline

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Also Holidaymakers who stayed at the same apartments as the McCanns are being asked to provide DNA samples and fingerprints as part of the routine investigation. Surely this should have been done at the very start of the investigation?

It seems the Portuguese police did anything but what they should have done at the start. That in itself should be regarded as a crime by them. A crime of incompetence that if an abduction has taken place a little girl is lost forever due to stupid investigation decisions. If a murder by parents took place also the Portuguese incompetence might well mean the guilty go free.

As things stand in spite of Sticks passion with using none evidence as a basis to decide guilt or not there is no solid reliable evidence submited to us the public that would enable any fair minded person to come to a positive conclusion one way or the other...
I agree with what you say, as I have said many times, I have suspicions about the McCanns but would never say out and out that they are guilty. Without any solid evidence anyone could be responsible for taking that little girl.
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Police are raiding the homes of more than 80 peadohiles in the hunt for Madeline

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This is a completely separate enquiry, rather than a Madeline hunt.

The news still coming from sources close to the investigation in Portugal is that they are still prime suspects.
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Seperate but still relevent Sticks, surely you can see that?

The Portugese police are like a broken record, we think they did it but we have no evidence, give us some time and we will come up with some!!

What we do know is they failed to seal the crime scene, they failed to hunt for Madeline straight away, they have bumbled their way through the whole investigation.

Sadly because of their inability to carry out an investigation if the McCanns are guilty they will struggle to prove it, in fact they will struggle to prove anything.
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This submission has appeared on the Daily Express site. Unlike the Daily Mail it does not stream out the non-pro McCann submissions.

I also looked briefly at the Daily Mirror site and all are just about anti McCann postings.

There is of course this story reported widely in the media which is be used to show that the explanation that DNA samples may have been from the twins does not hold water. The Portuguese newspaper is defiantly standing by it's story and inviting the McCanns to bring on a libel suit - could this mean there is something in it if the Newspaper is so confident?
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