[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Robodog

1. Here are BLM's demands for white people

https://www.leoweekly.com/2017/08/white-people/

2. Women denouncing metoo and it's negative effects on men and women

http://metro.co.uk/2018/01/10/cather...etter-7218327/

3. Give me an example of when i wanted to shut anyone up!

I'm discussing constructive ways to evolve beyond the corrosive and divisive mentality of social stereotypes.

I'm denouncing racism, misogyny and religious bigotry and saying how we must be careful not to perpetuate it further.

I'm discussing equality in a meaningful way by embracing us as individuals - not as groups!

It's all there in my posts.

Can't see how you can miss all that unless

a) you haven't read my posts properly or
b) you are deliberately ignoring it

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One person doesn't speak for a movement.

A voice damning a movement doesn't rob it of it's validity either.

As for your final point, it's called reading between the lines. You say you want equality but your criticism of these groups and the fact that you're justifying your dislike through both a warped understanding of their goals and presenting singular people as evidence of your claims speaks louder.

The fact that you are suggesting civil rights group help perpetuate these issues further than if they were silent says it all. It's that silence you're after.

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

1. One person doesn't speak for a movement.

2. A voice damning a movement doesn't rob it of it's validity either.

3. As for your final point, it's called reading between the lines.
The fact that you are suggesting civil rights group help perpetuate these issues further than if they were silent says it all. It's that silence you're after.

1. Erm... A leader DOES speak for a movement.
You think that level of racism is acceptable?
I don't.
Not by ANYONE, black or white.
Justify it, ignore it all you like.
But you cannot seriously claim to be for equality if you do.

2. The open letter raises some serious questions about the potential harm of the metoo movement for both men AND women and it's impact on how we flirt, seduce, approach and perceive each other.

Again you can ignore it if you want to, but you cannot claim to be for social righteousness if you are so ready to dismiss such serious concerns.

3. It's not called 'reading between the lines'. It's called 'you putting words into my mouth'

Nowhere have i asked for anyone's silence.
Quite the reverse, i have opened up this thread for discussion!
Sounds like you are the one trying to do the silencing of any perspective that threatens your own narrative.

You want equality and fair treatment?
So do I.
On that we can agree.
The question is how do we achieve that?

You seem to be defending the 'group think' approach.
Judging by the examples given such as the BLM's racist demands. i can't see how that can do anything but make it worse.

I'm saying take the individualist approach.

Pursue the INDIVIDUALS for the crimes they commit: whether that is white cops killing innocent blacks or muslim men raping white girls.

Pursuing those individuals by law, will send out the message to any other would-be criminals that such treatment of others is not acceptable.

No need to demonise all whites or all cops due to the criminal actions of certain individuals.
No need to demonise all muslims for the criminal actions of certain individuals.

I can think of nothing more racist or more destructive than continuing down that path.

[Robodog]

To clarify. This is what i'm talking about:

I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.

Martin Luther King, Jr.


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[Paula D]

Originally Posted by Robodog

1. Erm... A leader DOES speak for a movement.
You think that level of racism is acceptable?
I don't.
Not by ANYONE, black or white.
Justify it, ignore it all you like.
But you cannot seriously claim to be for equality if you do.

2. The open letter raises some serious questions about the potential harm of the metoo movement for both men AND women and it's impact on how we flirt, seduce, approach and perceive each other.

Again you can ignore it if you want to, but you cannot claim to be for social righteousness if you are so ready to dismiss such serious concerns.

3. It's not called 'reading between the lines'. It's called 'you putting words into my mouth'

Nowhere have i asked for anyone's silence.
Quite the reverse, i have opened up this thread for discussion!
Sounds like you are the one trying to do the silencing of any perspective that threatens your own narrative.

You want equality and fair treatment?
So do I.
On that we can agree.
The question is how do we achieve that?

You seem to be defending the 'group think' approach.
Judging by the examples given such as the BLM's racist demands. i can't see how that can do anything but make it worse.

I'm saying take the individualist approach.

Pursue the INDIVIDUALS for the crimes they commit: whether that is white cops killing innocent blacks or muslim men raping white girls.

Pursuing those individuals by law, will send out the message to any other would-be criminals that such treatment of others is not acceptable.

No need to demonise all whites or all cops due to the criminal actions of certain individuals.
No need to demonise all muslims for the criminal actions of certain individuals.

I can think of nothing more racist or more destructive than continuing down that path.

Very very well said Robo.

To be honest I think it takes a lot of years to come to the realisation that PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE.

In my younger days I would of made judgements about people based on their "group" now I take each individual as I find them.

That comes with age which is why Wayne and Amanda have it.

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[Robodog]

Originally Posted by Paula D

Very very well said Robo.

To be honest I think it takes a lot of years to come to the realisation that PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE.

In my younger days I would of made judgements about people based on their "group" now I take each individual as I find them.

That comes with age which is why Wayne and Amanda have it.

Thanks Paula

Yes, I went through the same thing. Used to see groups before people.

With age, comes wisdom.

You see the pitfalls of your old perceptions.

And the importance of evolving them.