[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Cherie

You have been in dozens of pubs that fly the English flag, why can't the English flag be flown with pride? after all it is the err flag of England, England must be the only country in the world where flying their flag is seen as some kind of crime couple that with a white man behind the bar with a few tats and not too much hair and you got yourself a racist apparently, I don't know what this guys game is, it does seem a bit odd in these times, but if his patrons don't object then it's his business (pardon the pun), people can vote with their feet if they don't feel it is appropriate

ENGLISH FLAG??????

[Parmy]

Dont mosques fly the pakistani flag etc etc etc..

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

ENGLISH FLAG??????

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

You have been in dozens of pubs that fly the English flag, why can't the English flag be flown with pride? after all it is the err flag of England, England must be the only country in the world where flying their flag is seen as some kind of crime couple that with a white man behind the bar with a few tats and not too much hair and you got yourself a racist apparently, I don't know what this guys game is, it does seem a bit odd in these times, but if his patrons don't object then it's his business (pardon the pun), people can vote with their feet if they don't feel it is appropriate

I've been in dozens flying over the top British memorabilia and noted that they all have a similar vibe... The "Opinionated Old Man Brexit Vibe", let's say.

I've actually only been in ONE that was covered in just the English flag and tbqfh it was ****ing terrifying. I felt like I had been sucked into "This Is England" .

Getting off track here a bit and arguing things that I really don't need to be argued, when it's just plainly obvious that anyone who is insisting on having a horde of Golliwog dolls adorning their pub is trying to make some sort of point. Claims to the contrary are just nonsense.

[smudgie]

My problem with it is people still calling it gollywog, golly would suffice.
My daughter wanted one years back and I had no problem buying her one.
I think at the time there had been a surge in their popularity.

[Parmy]

Up for 3 years..no complaints...suddenly 1 person us offended and its national news...countries gone mad!

[thesheriff443]

If the white heart charged ten pound for a shot of whiskey then lt would have a melt down.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

If the white heart charged ten pound for a shot of whiskey then lt would have a melt down.

No I would not as I dont drink Irish Whiskey

I drink Whisky

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

No I would not as I dont drink Irish Whiskey

I drink Whisky

If it's in a glass it's whiskey full stop

[bots]

The guy is fighting a battle over a decision that was made 30+ years ago to get rid of the gollywog. Its not like its a recent decision. Does that not seem odd to anyone?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

The guy is fighting a battle over a decision that was made 30+ years ago to get rid of the gollywog. Its not like its a recent decision. Does that not seem odd to anyone?

which decision was that?

[bots]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

which decision was that?

Robinsons jam removed it, it was removed from schools, the similar book was removed

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Robinsons jam removed it, it was removed from schools, the similar book was removed

Robinsons removed it for strict commercial reasons. I have no idea the motivation by others but I suspect (as is almost always the case) perceived fear of blame


But there was no Gollywog law as far as I am aware

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Robinsons removed it for strict commercial reasons. I have no idea the motivation by others but I suspect (as is almost always the case) perceived fear of blame


But there was no Gollywog law as far as I am aware

Or because they are pretty much objectively racist... They're even more exaggerated dolls of minstrels which are exaggerated parodies of black people. How is it NOT racist ffs. I'm also utterly bewildered by the "It can't be racist because my gran had one" arguments.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Its interesting that we howl at the gollywog but are "happy" with say the fashion industry and its hideous caricature of what a woman should look like?

Its not a direct comparison i know but its one for sure

[Ammi]

..it isn’t any type of comparison though, not even a vague one...the two thought trains are of ‘acceptability in the past’ v ‘acceptability and offence in the present day’ and what we now are given reason to think more deeply about...I think that most people agree that past or present, ‘too slim’ has never been acceptable to portray as ‘fashionable’...

[Withano]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Its interesting that we howl at the gollywog but are "happy" with say the fashion industry and its hideous caricature of what a woman should look like?

Its not a direct comparison i know but its one for sure

Literally nobody is 'happy' with the fashion industry. Who did you talk to before deciding that this was a fact you should share?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Withano

Literally nobody is 'happy' with the fashion industry. Who did you talk to before deciding that this was a fact you should share?

people buy the clothes, they buy the magazines that support the industry, they watch the tv shows

i dont see any demonstrations in Londons streets

i expect every member bought clothes in high street shops in the last month


Not sure what point it is you are making?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

people buy the clothes, they buy the magazines that support the industry, they watch the tv shows

i dont see any demonstrations in Londons streets

i expect every member bought clothes in high street shops in the last month


Not sure what point it is you are making?

Only nudists are unhappy with the fashion industry then got it. Your logic sometimes is so superhuman, its hard for me to keep up.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Withano

Only nudists are unhappy with the fashion industry then got it. Your logic sometimes is so superhuman, its hard for me to keep up.

i understand you try your best and that is all you can do

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

Only nudists are unhappy with the fashion industry then got it. Your logic sometimes is so superhuman, its hard for me to keep up.

It’s only women, they are expected to suffer ie starve themselves, nevermind the long-term effects that is likely to have on their bodies, all in the name of selling sex - of the female kind that is. I don’t see male models expected to look that way.

Women are used to sell sex in most industries, not just the fashion industry, and the message is always the same - to please men, of any colour. It has always been and still is a far bigger problem than other ‘isms’.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Its interesting that we howl at the gollywog but are "happy" with say the fashion industry and its hideous caricature of what a woman should look like?

Its not a direct comparison i know but its one for sure

Spoiler:

I would say most are not happy with the fashion industry and how it portrays women tbh

I thought you were a skinny chaser. I am sure I remember a thread you posted of a very thin person where you claimed she was perfect or something, and then all th threads on people even slightly overweight with 'its gross' and such

But I don't really get what anorexic models have to do with gollys?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I would say most are not happy with the fashion industry and how it portrays women tbh

I thought you were a skinny chaser. I am sure I remember a thread you posted of a very thin person where you claimed she was perfect or something, and then all th threads on people even slightly overweight with 'its gross' and such

But I don't really get what anorexic models have to do with gollys?

Plenty people are not happy with the way animals are treated and dont eat meat but i dont think I will see anyone at say the OScars who wont be bedecked in Fashion that promotes anorexic girls

oh wait they may wear a different colour to be angry about Harvey Weinstein..




that will learn him

[Withano]

:

Originally Posted by Vicky.

But I don't really get what anorexic models have to do with gollys?

I think the point was LT assumed we are all happy with the fashion industry because we wear clothes, and because nobody was bringing the fashion industry up in his thread about this blokes pub.. and that made us all hypocrites (even though he seems unhappy with the fashion industry but fine with the pub himself... i dont think hes had his breakfast).

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Withano

:

I think the point was LT assumed we are all happy with the fashion industry because we wear clothes, and because nobody was bringing the fashion industry up in his thread about this blokes pub.. and that made us all hypocrites (even though he seems unhappy with the fashion industry but fine with the pub himself... i dont think hes had his breakfast).

Ah right. well that..makes sense. In no way.