[cujo-man]

I'm sorry but what people need to undertand about BB is that its a show that goes from 24 hours to 1 hour.

Its ridiculous to think "Oh yea they edited Brian brilliantly last night" and "They're totally making Ziggy look like the villain and just making him look badly".

And I'm sorry if BB doesn't show the precious 3 Dimesional characters you know on Live Feed - they don't have time.

The have to edit everyone into a one-dimesional character or else the show would get over complicated for a one hour show.

Honestly what do we expect to see - Gerry being funny and sweet, or Gerry having arguments with Carole? The fact is if the Housemates do these things they better be able to handle the fact that this is the way BB is going to potray them.

Oh and I know last year they painted Aisleyne all bad and Glyn all nice on BBBB and BBLB - but stop to think for a second. Just because you like Aisleyne doesn't mean she hasn't got some of the worst qualities. Just because you dislkied Glyn doesn't mean his results and true - the fact is Aisleyne will have scored the highest in the sneakiness test or whatever the proper word for it is. They don't just make them up so that people they want to win look bad.

Ziggy was the most bitchy Housemate this year- he did it in such a sneaky way (I like Ziggy by the way and he was my favourite finalist).

The fact is they need to put a line between the good and the bad guys. Brian wasn't a bad person. By no stretch of imagination. Neither was Glyn. Neither was anyone you think has been edited favourbly. Lets face it - Aisleyne and Ziggy did enough horrible and nasty stuff to get it into the highlights show - Glyn and Brian didn't and so they were potrayed as nice, even if people say they weren't actually. Maybe they weren't 24/7, but I bet they were most of the time or some if it was bound to get shown. And if we see both the good and bad sides of the housemates, it'll confuse us, and in reality, would we not be stuck for someone to route for? I mean honestly.

The fact is Aisleyne fans are pissed off Glyn bet her, same with, oh, say Brian and Gerry fans. They make this whole "manipulation" scheme up to make it look like they were voting for the right person all along, as if in reality the person who one just got their by being made look good. All I can say is its a pathetic excuse - you were probably supporting the bad person!

[Matt]

Isn't it funny that most of the people you mention aren't bad are people you like?

Hmm.

[cujo-man]

Originally posted by Matt
Isn't it funny that most of the people you mention aren't bad are people you like?

Hmm.

Completely wrong!

I hated Brian - my favorite housemate was Gerry. I also wanted Ziggy to win in the final, and I sorely hated Brian and wanted him to come 6th!

The only one you could say I was biased about was Glyn.

[Conzors]

Originally posted by Matt
Isn't it funny that most of the people you mention aren't bad are people you like?

Hmm.

Yeh, i agree matt.

[cujo-man]

Originally posted by Conzors

Yeh, i agree matt.

Why don't you reply to my second post?

Because it totally burned every last person who is going to say I am just being biased!

I'm totally killer.

[Wasted]

Us Aisleyne fans aren't pissed off at all - top female, 3rd place, and the only two people who beat her were two of the people who were nicest to her during her stay. So for an Aisleyne fan, 3rd place after Glyn and Pete was a great result and I don't think any Aisleyne fan would be annoyed by it! A bit disappointed that she didn't get further of course, but mostly pleased.

And BB DOES unfairly edit. Of course, they may not be able to show every single person all of the time, but in 2 or a maximum of 3 episodes, all housemates should get a decent bit of coverage. But this was not the case this year, instead a lot of the editing was concentrated on higher maintenance characters, while others were left out almost completely and labelled boring. Kara Louise is an example of this, but she wasn't boring on the live feed, she jus got little coverage on the highlights show and people assumed she was boring.

As well as that, instead of showing a bit of good and a bit of bad from everyone, certain people were rarely-to-never shown in a bad light while others were almost always shown in a bad light. Nicky for example, ws rarely shown in a good light on the highlights show. She was made out to be grumpy and bitchy. She was grumpy, and she was a bit bitchy, but these things were emphasised upon during the highlights and we rarely saw anything positive about Nicky in the edits ever since the first week.

That's just my opinion anyway. And I normally see housemates differently when I watch the live feed compared to how they are edited on the highlights show.

[Matt]

Originally posted by Matt
Isn't it funny that most of the people you mention aren't bad are people you like?

Hmm.

Refer to my above quote.

It's not burned me, sorry.

[XxShortyxX]

BB is very bias to cerent HM's. And they do edit out a hell of alot! The editting this year has been the worse I have seen. BB had edit Brian really well and the rest really bad IMO. It got to the stage where it become the Brian show, we had to have like 3 DR apparences from him, BB has and always will be bias and edit unfairly to one HM's or two ect.

[Conzors]

i didnt say you were biased.. i dont even know what that means..

however i do think that you moaned about a usless topic

no affence.. =]

[cujo-man]

Originally posted by Wasted
Us Aisleyne fans aren't p****d off at all - top female, 3rd place, and the only two people who beat her were two of the people who were nicest to her during her stay. So for an Aisleyne fan, 3rd place after Glyn and Pete was a great result and I don't think any Aisleyne fan would be annoyed by it! A bit disappointed that she didn't get further of course, but mostly pleased.

And BB DOES unfairly edit. Of course, they may not be able to show every single person all of the time, but in 2 or a maximum of 3 episodes, all housemates should get a decent bit of coverage. But this was not the case this year, instead a lot of the editing was concentrated on higher maintenance characters, while others were left out almost completely and labelled boring. Kara Louise is an example of this, but she wasn't boring on the live feed, she jus got little coverage on the highlights show and people assumed she was boring.

As well as that, instead of showing a bit of good and a bit of bad from everyone, certain people were rarely-to-never shown in a bad light while others were almost always shown in a bad light. Nicky for example, ws rarely shown in a good light on the highlights show. She was made out to be grumpy and bitchy. She was grumpy, and she was a bit bitchy, but these things were emphasised upon during the highlights and we rarely saw anything positive about Nicky in the edits ever since the first week.

That's just my opinion anyway. And I normally see housemates differently when I watch the live feed compared to how they are edited on the highlights show.

Nicky was grumpy and bitchy. As I said that was the part of her that made the best telly - if so, shes going to end up looking bad.

And I heard Kara was a real bitch on live feed, so I think the whole boring label probably did her good. And even if she wasn't, when they did show her more often it was horribly cringey. "Goldilocks". That was THE single most embarassing and cringeworthy moment in BB8 and possibly all of BBUK!

[cujo-man]

Originally posted by XxShortyxX
BB is very bias to cerent HM's. And they do edit out a hell of alot! The editting this year has been the worse I have seen. BB had edit Brian really well and the rest really bad IMO. It got to the stage where it become the Brian show, we had to have like 3 DR apparences from him, BB has and always will be bias and edit unfairly to one HM's or two ect.

Obviously they edit out alot! There is 23 hours of film to be cut out you know!

[Wasted]

Originally posted by cujo-man

Nicky was grumpy and bitchy. As I said that was the part of her that made the best telly - if so, shes going to end up looking bad.

And I heard Kara was a real bitch on live feed, so I think the whole boring label probably did her good. And even if she wasn't, when they did show her more often it was horribly cringey. "Goldilocks". That was THE single most embarassing and cringeworthy moment in BB8 and possibly all of BBUK!

Kara Louise is the only housemate bar Samanda and Jonty I have not seen bitching in this series. I may have missed her saying something about someone behind their back, but she certainly didn't bitch as often as most others did, nowhere near it.

And Nicky was grumpy and bitchy, but what I'm saying is that there were other aspects to her personality that were much more positive and were rarely shown.

[cujo-man]

Originally posted by Wasted

Kara Louise is the only housemate bar Samanda and Jonty I have not seen bitching in this series. I may have missed her saying something about someone behind their back, but she certainly didn't bitch as often as most others did, nowhere near it.

And Nicky was grumpy and bitchy, but what I'm saying is that there were other aspects to her personality that were much more positive and were rarely shown.

First off, when I said bitch I didn't mean as in a bitchy person, but I heard she was sucking up Carole's bum and started nagging along with her about food to Gerry.

Also, did you read my post? My point was they do enthisise one point of the person's personality - there isn't enough time to get in both and people would end up being confused about who to route for and would complain that there isn't any likeable housemates.

Nicky was moody and grumpy - it gets shown. Charley is argumentive - it gets shown. Tracey is being her f*nny ass self - it gets shown.

You seen what I'm getting at?

[Wasted]

Originally posted by cujo-man

First off, when I said bitch I didn't mean as in a bitchy person, but I heard she was sucking up Carole's bum and started nagging along with her about food to Gerry.

Also, did you read my post? My point was they do enthisise one point of the person's personality - there isn't enough time to get in both and people would end up being confused about who to route for and would complain that there isn't any likeable housemates.

Nicky was moody and grumpy - it gets shown. Charley is argumentive - it gets shown. Tracey is being her f*nny ass self - it gets shown.

You seen what I'm getting at?

Yes, and that's why it's unfair. I'm sure the housemates are much more than one-dimensional, and BB don't even make an effort to make them look otherwise, so that is why people think it is unfair to concentrate solely on one aspect of someone's personality.

If there isn't enough time on the highlights, they should extend the show, in fact I've always thought they should do this and other people have said it as well. There are also spin-off shows where we could be seeing extra footage but we don't see anything that exclusive.

[cujo-man]

Sort of like the X-tra Facor?

Still, not enough people would watch this.

[Redmond]

I don't think you can possibly deny that the editing can be bias in favour of certain housemates or be used to put a housemate in a bad light. Not all the time but if it benefits the programme of course they edit it biased.

You are very niave and have little understanding of the media and entertainment industry if you think things aren't manipulated and edited in specific ways to gain certain reactions or feelings etc. Just look at all the recent stuff the BBC and Peter Fincham the BBC1 Controller resigning because of the dodgey editing on that documentary about the Queen.

[Billy]

It is unfairly edited. How come they missedout all of Caroles bad side? As Im sure thats more interesting. and appeared more often than her good side

[cujo-man]

Originally posted by BigBrothersLittlePod
I don't think you can possibly deny that the editing can be bias in favour of certain housemates or be used to put a housemate in a bad light. Not all the time but if it benefits the programme of course they edit it biased.

You are very niave and have little understanding of the media and entertainment industry if you think things aren't manipulated and edited in specific ways to gain certain reactions or feelings etc. Just look at all the recent stuff the BBC and Peter Fincham the BBC1 Controller resigning because of the dodgey editing on that documentary about the Queen.

I know they make you believe that arguments start from different things happening and stuff, but really, I bet none of us could do it without making a biased edit, could we?

I mean come on - 24 hours to 1? You try it!

[cujo-man]

Originally posted by Billy
It is unfairly edited. How come they missedout all of Caroles bad side? As Im sure thats more interesting. and appeared more often than her good side

I saw plenty of Carole's bad side on the highlights. I hated her so I'm not sure what you're on about in all honesty.

[Wasted]

Originally posted by cujo-man

I know they make you believe that arguments start from different things happening and stuff, but really, I bet none of us could do it without making a biased edit, could we?

I mean come on - 24 hours to 1? You try it!

Just because they have so much to fit into one hour doesn't mean it's a good reason for giving biased and unfair edits. They can summarise the events of the day without having to do that. I'm pretty sure almost anyone could do a much better job than the editors of BB8.

[Retroman]

So basically you're saying that if someone is portrayed to be bad, they might be good.

If someone is portrayed to be good, they might be bad.

So some of us have possibly been supporting people we thought were good, but aren't.

Also...
If someone is portrayed to be good, it might not be down to editing but just the fact they're a decent person.

If someone is portrayed to be bad, it might not be down to editing, they could just be a bad person.

I think you'll find we all knew this already.
And im sure we're all capable of judging who is genuinely decent, or who might fall victim to editing etc.

Fact of the matter is though, we all have opinions on who is genuinely good/bad and who was made to look good/bad. We don't actually know the housemates personally, so how can we possibly say either way?

You can watch them in interviews, filmed on the street, on big brother etc..
But you can't trust the media to show you exactly what someone is like, mainly because some people act differently around the media.

This topic was made in a very "ok everyone listen, im going to educate you and tell you how big brother works because im really clever" kind of manner, when it failed to educate anyone on anything.

[Redmond]

Originally posted by cujo-man

I know they make you believe that arguments start from different things happening and stuff, but really, I bet none of us could do it without making a biased edit, could we?

I mean come on - 24 hours to 1? You try it!

That's not the point though. Yes things are not going to make the final cut because a lot of stuff can happen in 24 hours (or in BB8's case nothing can happen). But the point is the unfairly edit housemates and actions, it's not just that they have so much to put in, they like to make people more hated so that more people will vote. For example they show things out of context, show people accusing someone of something but never actually show us the proof of whether this accusation happened or not, they mislead and manipulate...that's what television does and always has done and it ain't going to stop anytime soon.