[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Didn't they even release a movie recently at the cinema's of a older woman having relationships with young guys. If it was about an older man with younger girls people would call it predatory .

Erm, if it was about an older guy and a young girl, the girl would be accused of being a gold digger and the guy would be 'lucky'

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I'm just telling you how it looked to me, it looked and still looks like there is the suggestion that abuse is an equal 2 way street.

It isn't, female on male abuse exists, nobody has suggested it doesn't but I'm sorry there is no comparison. I just want to make that screamingly obvious.

I think we all know majority of sexual assault claims are from female victims , nobody is denying that . There's no witch hunt mentality for Brendan Cox the guy admitted he did wrong. Do you want us to applaud him or something?? .

If you want to know what a witch hunt is then look at the way Aled Jones was treated and that doesn't sound like he ACTUALLY did anything wrong . Still don't know what he was accused of , text messaging or something .

[Kizzy]

Hey Lolita Hey!

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Erm, if it was about an older guy and a young girl, the girl would be accused of being a gold digger and the guy would be 'lucky'

The man still get's called a pervert or a dirty old man , and the woman get's called Mrs Robinson or a cougar .

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Hey Lolita Hey!

That movie is messed up

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Yeah.I think this is one reason it irks me when i see men getting all the blame and pretty much demonised.The hypocrisy of it.
Logically you’d think men were much worse due to testosterone but from what I remember the women were just as bad.
Obviously generally men are bigger and stronger but that doesn’t mean women aren’t just as bad.

Men don't get 'all the blame' but male people do do it much more often, and generally to a worse extent also. I have never, ever, seen anyone deny that some women are perverts too. But its always argued against, and women doing it is always brought up when male people assaulting is mentioned.

Even this thread, about a man being sexually inappropriate has turned into 'women are just as bad'.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Men don't get 'all the blame' but male people do do it much more often, and generally to a worse extent also. I have never, ever, seen anyone deny that some women are perverts too. But its always argued against, and women doing it is always brought up when male people assaulting is mentioned.

Even this thread, about a man being sexually inappropriate has turned into 'women are just as bad'.

Of course, did you ever doubt it wouldn't?

[Vicky.]

I don't know much about this Aled Jones thing, looking it up now but the first few links are all about him issuing a 'grovelling apology' and admitting sexual harassment and saying he understands the victim/s was distressed by his behaviour. Looking more into it now, but again, it appears this was not nothing. Like in this Cox case.

Edit. LOL. A quote from one of the stories

The singer's mother-in-law, Elaine Fossett, has said he is incapable of sexual harassment.

The 74-year-old said: 'It is utterly, utterly appalling. A nicer, nicer guy you couldn’t wish to meet. He is totally incapable of sexual harassment.'

'Incapable' of sexual harassment ffs. Noone is incapable. Do these people think its only flat out monsters and dark alley rapists that behave inappropriately or something? And he is hardly likely to be behaving inappropriately towards his mother in law anyway..so this 'defence' is silly

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Men don't get 'all the blame' but male people do do it much more often, and generally to a worse extent also. I have never, ever, seen anyone deny that some women are perverts too. But its always argued against, and women doing it is always brought up when male people assaulting is mentioned.

Even this thread, about a man being sexually inappropriate has turned into 'women are just as bad'.

It's only been brought up because it's been mentioned that women in clubs are touchy feely just like the men , and i used it as an example because not many men would report it .

It's not taking away sexual assault done to females, plus females assault other females .

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I think we all know majority of sexual assault claims are from female victims , nobody is denying that . There's no witch hunt mentality for Brendan Cox the guy admitted he did wrong. Do you want us to applaud him or something?? .

If you want to know what a witch hunt is then look at the way Aled Jones was treated and that doesn't sound like he ACTUALLY did anything wrong . Still don't know what he was accused of , text messaging or something .

He did yes, he admitted his errors and committed to change as stated by Jess Phillips and he is still being pilloried! He should just deny everything like Mr Green shouldn't he despite the inquiries and the victim statements... the media leave you alone then :/

I don't know about Aled... Can't have been that serious I haven't heard a thing about it.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I don't know much about this Aled Jones thing, looking it up now but the first few links are all about him issuing a 'grovelling apology' and admitting sexual harassment and saying he understands the victim/s was distressed by his behaviour. Looking more into it now, but again, it appears this was not nothing. Like in this Cox case.

But i still don't understand what alleged "harassment" took place with Aled . The story sounded silly , and even if he's done nothing wrong he'd probably still apologise to be the bigger person .

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

He did yes, he admitted his errors and committed to change as stated by Jess Phillips and he is still being pilloried! He should just deny everything like Mr Green shouldn't he despite the inquiries and the victim statements... the media leave you alone then :/

I don't know about Aled... Can't have been that serious I haven't heard a thing about it.

This thread is about Brendan and people will still debate about it , so although he's admitted to it that doesn't stop people talking about it on here .

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

But i still don't understand what alleged "harassment" took place with Aled . The story sounded silly , and even if he's done nothing wrong he'd probably still apologise to be the bigger person .

But then earlier about Cox

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

The fact he's admitted he's overstepped the line just shows he's guilty .

Which has me a little confused tbh. Either admitting it (and apologising) shows they are guilty, or it doesn't. Or does it depend on who is involved?

[Kizzy]

Getting a little consistency round here... you must be walking in the aiiiiiirrrrrrrrr!!!!

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

But then earlier about Cox



Which has me a little confused tbh. Either admitting it (and apologising) shows they are guilty, or it doesn't. Or does it depend on who is involved?

I didn't contradict myself if that's what you're insinuating . I'm saying the incident with Aled Jones still makes no sense to me , how do we know he didn't say sorry while still being innocent??? .

Brendan Cox has admitted it , and more details have come out about him . Whereas with Aled it's more like a silly rumour .

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I didn't contradict myself if that's what you're insinuating . I'm saying the incident with Aled Jones still makes no sense to me , how do we know he didn't say sorry while still being innocent??? .

Brendan Cox has admitted it , and more details have come out about him . Whereas with Aled it's more like a silly rumour .

They both admitted it.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

But then earlier about Cox



Which has me a little confused tbh. Either admitting it (and apologising) shows they are guilty, or it doesn't. Or does it depend on who is involved?

Also i didn't know Aled jones "apologised" either , all i saw was an old article about it . I never saw anything else about him .

[Vicky.]

As I said, I know virtually nothing about the Aled thing (yet), but you cannot on one hand say them admitting it means they are guilty, then on the other hand say them admitting it means it was just a silly rumour, they were apologizing to be the bigger person and they did nothing wrong.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

As I said, I know virtually nothing about the Aled thing (yet), but you cannot on one hand say them admitting it means they are guilty, then on the other hand say them admitting it means it was just a silly rumour, they were apologizing to be the bigger person and they did nothing wrong.

I don't know much either , but from what i gathered it didn't sound as serious as the Brendan Cox incident .

But what about when people do nothing wrong but just to make peace they say "if i've offended you in anyway i'm sorry" and blah blah , but that doesn't necessarily mean they have ?. I didn't believe Aled did anything but who knows.

[jet]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Have you maybe a contribution to the issue of the thread re Cox and his situation.
Or are you just joining others in a roll against a particular member.

I replied to a comment you made about a particular member, not 'the issue of the thread re Cox and his situation'. If you don't want your comments commented upon, don't post them.
fyi, I had already contributed when I said he is a dirty pig. Succinctly put, imo.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

As I said, I know virtually nothing about the Aled thing (yet), but you cannot on one hand say them admitting it means they are guilty, then on the other hand say them admitting it means it was just a silly rumour, they were apologizing to be the bigger person and they did nothing wrong.

btw i agree that when you admit something or apologise you will be seen as guilty, it's like if you're on trial for something you may or may not of done in court and some people think by saying "guilty" (despite being innocent) is the best option to get a shorter sentence , i don't agree with this as i feel if you've done nothing wrong then you shouldn't have to "admit" .

But it's not always as black & white for some people , and some will take the blame for things they haven't done or they'll apologise for nothing .

[bots]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

As I said, I know virtually nothing about the Aled thing (yet), but you cannot on one hand say them admitting it means they are guilty, then on the other hand say them admitting it means it was just a silly rumour, they were apologizing to be the bigger person and they did nothing wrong.

The Cox and Aled cases are quite different.

With Cox, there was a police reported incident in the USA
There was also an investigation by the charity, and he resigned before it came to a conclusion. Also, he has admitted wrong doing.

Aled has never been subject of a police investigation, was removed from tv rather than resigning, and has never admitted anything

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

The Cox and Aled cases are quite different.

With Cox, there was a police reported incident in the USA
There was also an investigation by the charity, and he resigned before it came to a conclusion. Also, he has admitted wrong doing.

Aled has never been subject of a police investigation, was removed from tv rather than resigning, and has never admitted anything

This is what I thought as well . Its obvious Brendan's case is a lot more serious .

[joeysteele]

Aled Jones was in the end it appears termed inappropriate behaviour.
He apologised and it appears nothing more has come to fruition as to even more perhaps serious incidents.
It was stated by the BBC that his apology has been accepted and he will be returning to both his radio show and Songs of Praise.

As for Brendon Cox,he has stood down I understand for inappropriate behaviour but also as yet one or more serious allegations.
That may or may not have substance but he strenuously denies them.

As yet however nothing charge worthy or likely to end up in court is clearly evident,at this moment in time anyway.

So it would seem at present,similar to Aled's situation unless more eventually comes of Brendan Cox's situation.

[AnnieK]

This trial by media culture is now beyond a joke. Organisations are forced to act or comment before investigations are complete.

In the Cox case, he obviously has done something that has been deemed inappropriate but I am sure a police investigation would have begun if there were serious charges to answer?

I am not excusing any inappropriate behaviour but the intervention by the media in these cases surely muddy the waters of any impartial investigation