[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Okay, then I guess the fact he was just another backbencher until recently was why the media didn't care as much. Like I said in the other part of my post.

Unless these accusations actually go somewhere, I just can't really pay them that much attention.

[DemolitionRed]

So out of interest, I've just spent a good hour on Jewdas or at least its Twitter sister group which I've now joined! Apparently the site is down because of the sheer volume of traffic which they are obviously thrilled about.

This is the latest Jewdas statement

In 1812 The British Government designated Jewdas to be the sole representative body for British Jews. We fulfil our role of being the voice for Anglo-Jewry by writing funny tweets, holding great parties and passing on the memes which we receive from God, via Geoffrey Cohen.

We have been campaigning against antisemitism on the Left and the Right for many years. We have run antisemitism workshops in such far-flung corners of Marseille and Bloomsbury, opposed neo-Nazi demos in Stamford Hill and Golders Green. Produced and distributed information on how to criticize Israel withut being anti-Semitic, demonstrated against left-anti-Semite Gilad Atzmon and most importantly mercilessly took the piss out of Ken Livingstone. You could call us trend setters.

We are thrilled to be getting so much attention and that Stephen Pollard was forced to admit we are legitimate part of the Jewish community.


So its not only a well established community but its a politically and historically recognized one.

I couldn't find anything unsavory so Pollard must of trawled through every single poster on that site to come up with what he did. There's some nasty trolling going on. People trying to wind Jews up but all in all its a very pleasant site to go on and I will use it with the respect it deserves.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

So out of interest, I've just spent a good hour on Jewdas or at least its Twitter sister group which I've now joined! Apparently the site is down because of the sheer volume of traffic which they are obviously thrilled about.

This is the latest Jewdas statement

In 1812 The British Government designated Jewdas to be the sole representative body for British Jews. We fulfil our role of being the voice for Anglo-Jewry by writing funny tweets, holding great parties and passing on the memes which we receive from God, via Geoffrey Cohen.

We have been campaigning against antisemitism on the Left and the Right for many years. We have run antisemitism workshops in such far-flung corners of Marseille and Bloomsbury, opposed neo-Nazi demos in Stamford Hill and Golders Green. Produced and distributed information on how to criticize Israel withut being anti-Semitic, demonstrated against left-anti-Semite Gilad Atzmon and most importantly mercilessly took the piss out of Ken Livingstone. You could call us trend setters.

We are thrilled to be getting so much attention and that Stephen Pollard was forced to admit we are legitimate part of the Jewish community.


So its not only a well established community but its a politically and historically recognized one.

I couldn't find anything unsavory so Pollard must of trawled through every single poster on that site to come up with what he did. There's some nasty trolling going on. People trying to wind Jews up but all in all its a very pleasant site to go on and I will use it with the respect it deserves.

the 1812 stuff is a pisstake, it was founded in 2004

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

the 1812 stuff is a pisstake, it was founded in 2004

And anyway, everyone knows the Twitter character limit in 1812 was 54.

[arista]

[Jeremy Corbyn defends visit to 'radical' group Jewdas
amid fresh anti-Semitism row
The Labour leader believes he "learnt a lot" from
spending time with a "radical" Jewish
group despite a backlash.]

https://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-co...m-row-11315328

At least he has given TV news and radio
his views

[Maru]

Originally Posted by arista

[Jeremy Corbyn defends visit to 'radical' group Jewdas
amid fresh anti-Semitism row
The Labour leader believes he "learnt a lot" from
spending time with a "radical" Jewish
group despite a backlash.]

https://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-co...m-row-11315328

At least he has given TV news and radio
his views

What did he learn?... (actual question)

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

So Jews are good people providing they are the sort of Jews you have a political affiliation with.

Ok!?!

You will do well NOT to make statements which 'put words into my mouth' and MISREPRESENT what I write - SOMETHING which is becoming habitual with you where my posts are concerned.

In addition to several white British friends, I have also great, genuine, and close friendships with quite a few Jewish people in Manchester and London, Pakistani Muslims and Sikhs in Huddersfield West Yorkshire, some Indians in West London, several Polish and Albanians in South Yorkshire, West Indians and Afro-Carribeans in Leeds, West Yorkshire, and members of the LGBT community throughout various parts of the UK - NONE of which clouds me to the facts that not ALL of their race, type, or ethnicity are nice, decent human beings.

I have ALWAYS stated on here whenever I have slated Islamic Terrorists or Benefit Scroungers for example, that I am NOT referring to ALL Muslims or GENUINE Benefit Claimants, and it is exactly the same with Jews - NOT ALL Jews are good, decent people and Jewdas is certainly neither good or decent.

Unlike your good self, I do NOT slavishly follow ANY political party and I am NOT BLIND to bad politicians of ALL persuasions NOR bad people of ALL races, ethnicity or creed, and my liking of GOOD JEWS is - as my liking of GOOD MUSLIMS - because they are GOOD not because they are Jews.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

And anyway, everyone knows the Twitter character limit in 1812 was 54.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Maru

What did he learn?... (actual question)

["It was very interesting talking to a lot of young people about their experiences in modern Britain and I learnt a lot. Isn't that a good thing?"
Mr Corbyn described anti-Semitism as a "vile and evil thing" that "has got to be eradicated wherever it arises".
He added: "If it arises in my party then we have a process for dealing with it.]


from the link
Maru

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Wow, when Momentum of all people say there's a problem with anti-Semitism, you know something's up.

Yeah, I was reading this in the metro today..first time I have read one of them in a long time but I get them free on my bus

Momentum say there is an issue, Momentum, JCs biggest supporters.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Jewdas is a Jewish diaspora group based in London. It describes itself as a "radical' and is described by The Jewish Chronicle as a "Jewish diaspora group, known for its far-left anti-Zionism." It has a satirical-communal website and stages events in London and elsewhere. It is a secretive organisation based upon anarchistic lines

wiki

So this Jewish group isn't Jewish enough for you, or too 'radical' (left wing) not 'moderate' (right wing) enough?

Now the knives are out for the Jewish left too then it seems?.. That appears to me both shameful AND antisemitic.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Totally correct LT.

They are NOT representative of ordinary Jews or mainstream Jewish organisations and are fanatically anti-Israel, and, if anything, are even not-so-covertly anti-Semitic in essence.

Even the name - Jewdas - is a glaring pun on Judas.

Corbyn's very public affiliation with them is nothing more than an arrogant and cynical 'two fingers' gesture to those who are urging him to rectify the rampant anti-Semitism within the nest of anti-Patriotic, anti-Democratic, Britain-Detesting, Treacherous Vipers which was ONCE the great British Labour Party.

Well well, antisemitic Jews now.... The mind boggles!

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Well well, antisemitic Jews now.... The mind boggles!

Why on Earth is that - There are numerous Anti-British British. Aren't they?

[jet]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Why on Earth is that - There are numerous Anti-British British. Aren't they?

Indeed. One of them is Comrade Corbyn himself...along with his buddies McDonnell and Abbott.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

The Chakrabati report cannot be taken seriously, looking at the volume of claims since that pantomime,and especially as she was rewarded with a peerage immediately after. And they accuse Blair of cronyism!

Why can't it, what don't you agree with it?...She did very good work it deserves recognition, I suppose all the tory accolades dished out to donors are equally as deserving?
I could list them if you like...Alphabetically.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by arista

["It was very interesting talking to a lot of young people about their experiences in modern Britain and I learnt a lot. Isn't that a good thing?"
Mr Corbyn described anti-Semitism as a "vile and evil thing" that "has got to be eradicated wherever it arises".
He added: "If it arises in my party then we have a process for dealing with it.]


from the link
Maru

Yeah I'd read but that doesn't really enlighten very much... I'm open to hearing what his "learning experiences" actually were, if the interest is to be transparent... I can understand someone studying a group out of curiosity in their own time... joining and then engaging them is different than studying them from afar... though sometimes people study extreme movements up close in order to study their behavior in order to circumvent, but it could be just as easily to engage their own shadow side as well, and that's the rub... if he made himself fairly accessible to these fringe philosophies, then it wouldn't seem such a stretch to think that he would may be open to entertaining how to better accommodate those interests... he is a politician with a major career after all, not just a bored citizen with too much time on their hands and not enough to do with their time... I'm sure he could've gotten the "intel" some other manner if he was interesting in putting together a taskforce, for example...

It's not like he's suddenly the face of Anti-Antisemitism. He has not placed himself antithetical to those movements from what I understand? Maybe it's me, but it seems like he's actually downplaying the venom of these belief systems, when he thought it was significant enough to want to associate with them up close and study them in person?... Unless his intention was to welcome those interactions, then he needs to explain the true reason behind that contradiction... and saying he wants to fraternize for the sake of studying is like saying, I'm the boyfriend and I want to go into my girlfriend's room to study with her because I want to "encourage" her dedication towards her education... too much secrecy there and I think good reason to be concerned with what he was actually up to while in those spaces.

Trump was raked over the coals for not outright condemning the "alt-right" Charlottesville Nazis and with good reason. He didn't immediately clarify that position and so it seemed he was supporting the extremists at the same time as the peaceful protesters (especially when it was uniquely organized by extremists)...and yet he expects the other party to take criticism for their acceptance of Antifa, for example? That's why we can't entertain leadership whose interests appear to be divided... Hillary Clinton had this defect, and that's one of the main reasons she lost the election, was because she was a terrible candidate in this way... they must be clear what we are supporting, not only in their words, but through actions... wanting to have their cake and eat it too is the definition of corruption... and is also another reason why voter apathy is so high here...

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Why on Earth is that - There are numerous Anti-British British. Aren't they?

British isn't a religion is it... Or a historically persecuted sect.
How are they comparable, or should I say what's the point of that statement?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Nice to see we have a forum member in Kizzy who supports this group....

Nice to see we have a forum member who enjoys nothing more than baiting and trolling me every day.
Keep up the good work

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Maru

Yeah I'd read but that doesn't really enlighten very much... I'm open to hearing what his "learning experiences" actually were, if the interest is to be transparent... I can understand someone studying a group out of curiosity in their own time... joining and then engaging them is different than studying them from afar... though sometimes people study extreme movements up close in order to study their behavior in order to circumvent, but it could be just as easily to engage their own shadow side as well, and that's the rub... if he made himself fairly accessible to these fringe philosophies, then it wouldn't seem such a stretch to think that he would may be open to entertaining how to better accommodate those interests... he is a politician with a major career after all, not just a bored citizen with too much time on their hands and not enough to do with their time... I'm sure he could've gotten the "intel" some other manner if he was interesting in putting together a taskforce, for example...

It's not like he's suddenly the face of Anti-Antisemitism. He has not placed himself antithetical to those movements from what I understand? Maybe it's me, but it seems like he's actually downplaying the venom of these belief systems, when he thought it was significant enough to want to associate with them up close and study them in person?... Unless his intention was to welcome those interactions, then he needs to explain the true reason behind that contradiction... and saying he wants to fraternize for the sake of studying is like saying, I'm the boyfriend and I want to go into my girlfriend's room to study with her because I want to "encourage" her dedication towards her education... too much secrecy there and I think good reason to be concerned with what he was actually up to while in those spaces.

Trump was raked over the coals for not outright condemning the "alt-right" Charlottesville Nazis and with good reason. He didn't immediately clarify that position and so it seemed he was supporting the extremists at the same time as the peaceful protesters (especially when it was uniquely organized by extremists)...and yet he expects the other party to take criticism for their acceptance of Antifa, for example? That's why we can't entertain leadership whose interests appear to be divided... Hillary Clinton had this defect, and that's one of the main reasons she lost the election, was because she was a terrible candidate in this way... they must be clear what we are supporting, not only in their words, but through actions... wanting to have their cake and eat it too is the definition of corruption... and is also another reason why voter apathy is so high here...

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

Yes... It seems like you have to be the right kindof Jew.

Yes, a nice moderate right leaning Jew.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

British isn't a religion is it... Or a historically persecuted sect.
How are they comparable, or should I say what's the point of that statement?

Judaism is a religion Jews are a people. The point is that it is no rarity these days for individuals or groups to detest their own people and their own country.

That is my perception from posts on here and on Social Media and - as Jet has pointed out - from some of our own politicians'

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Maru

Yeah I'd read but that doesn't really enlighten very much... I'm open to hearing what his "learning experiences" actually were, if the interest is to be transparent... I can understand someone studying a group out of curiosity in their own time... joining and then engaging them is different than studying them from afar... though sometimes people study extreme movements up close in order to study their behavior in order to circumvent, but it could be just as easily to engage their own shadow side as well, and that's the rub... if he made himself fairly accessible to these fringe philosophies, then it wouldn't seem such a stretch to think that he would may be open to entertaining how to better accommodate those interests... he is a politician with a major career after all, not just a bored citizen with too much time on their hands and not enough to do with their time... I'm sure he could've gotten the "intel" some other manner if he was interesting in putting together a taskforce, for example...

It's not like he's suddenly the face of Anti-Antisemitism. He has not placed himself antithetical to those movements from what I understand? Maybe it's me, but it seems like he's actually downplaying the venom of these belief systems, when he thought it was significant enough to want to associate with them up close and study them in person?... Unless his intention was to welcome those interactions, then he needs to explain the true reason behind that contradiction... and saying he wants to fraternize for the sake of studying is like saying, I'm the boyfriend and I want to go into my girlfriend's room to study with her because I want to "encourage" her dedication towards her education... too much secrecy there and I think good reason to be concerned with what he was actually up to while in those spaces.

Trump was raked over the coals for not outright condemning the "alt-right" Charlottesville Nazis and with good reason. He didn't immediately clarify that position and so it seemed he was supporting the extremists at the same time as the peaceful protesters (especially when it was uniquely organized by extremists)...and yet he expects the other party to take criticism for their acceptance of Antifa, for example? That's why we can't entertain leadership whose interests appear to be divided... Hillary Clinton had this defect, and that's one of the main reasons she lost the election, was because she was a terrible candidate in this way... they must be clear what we are supporting, not only in their words, but through actions... wanting to have their cake and eat it too is the definition of corruption... and is also another reason why voter apathy is so high here...

So what has he done to counter far right extremism?

Not a lot, Why?... Surely it's his job, he's up to his permatanned neck in altright linked advisors, supporters and advocates... Where's the condemnation?! The outrage?!

What has HE 'learned'? ...nothing, and what does anyone do or expect him to do?....NOTHING.
Why?

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

You will do well NOT to make statements which 'put words into my mouth' and MISREPRESENT what I write - SOMETHING which is becoming habitual with you where my posts are concerned.

In addition to several white British friends, I have also great, genuine, and close friendships with quite a few Jewish people in Manchester and London, Pakistani Muslims and Sikhs in Huddersfield West Yorkshire, some Indians in West London, several Polish and Albanians in South Yorkshire, West Indians and Afro-Carribeans in Leeds, West Yorkshire, and members of the LGBT community throughout various parts of the UK - NONE of which clouds me to the facts that not ALL of their race, type, or ethnicity are nice, decent human beings.

I have ALWAYS stated on here whenever I have slated Islamic Terrorists or Benefit Scroungers for example, that I am NOT referring to ALL Muslims or GENUINE Benefit Claimants, and it is exactly the same with Jews - NOT ALL Jews are good, decent people and Jewdas is certainly neither good or decent.

Unlike your good self, I do NOT slavishly follow ANY political party and I am NOT BLIND to bad politicians of ALL persuasions NOR bad people of ALL races, ethnicity or creed, and my liking of GOOD JEWS is - as my liking of GOOD MUSLIMS - because they are GOOD not because they are Jews.

Really!

Totally correct LT.

They are NOT representative of ordinary Jews or mainstream Jewish organisations and are fanatically anti-Israel, and, if anything, are even not-so-covertly anti-Semitic in essence.

Even the name - Jewdas - is a glaring pun on Judas.

I put no words in your mouth. You did it all on your own.

[jet]

How scary and pathetic is it that Corbyn, at the mature age of 68 and aspiring to become PM with 'kinder and gentler politics', has been recommended to receive antisemitic training by Momentum chief Jon Lansman.
You couldn't make it up.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Judaism is a religion Jews are a people. The point is that it is no rarity these days for individuals or groups to detest their own people and their own country.

That is my perception from posts on here and on Social Media and - as Jet has pointed out - from some of our own politicians'

I didn't say they weren't, again I don't see the reach you've made to antiBritishness (which obviously isn't a 'thing,' you just invented it).