[Livia]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

No its not. There are black Jews, Caucasian Jews, Arabic Jews. Judaism has no specific characteristics.

Something else you have a specialist knowledge of then? MOSTLY people can tell a Jewish person. I AM a Jewish person! I can tell other Jews at a glance. You're just muddying the waters with this nonsense. Either this, or Israel... when the problem is that the Labour party is clearly suffering from a crisis over anti-Semitism and ordinary, moderate, British Jews are not willing to put up with it.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

Something else you have a specialist knowledge of then? MOSTLY people can tell a Jewish person. I AM a Jewish person! I can tell other Jews at a glance. You're just muddying the waters with this nonsense. Either this, or Israel... when the problem is that the Labour party is clearly suffering from a crisis over anti-Semitism and ordinary, moderate, British Jews are not willing to put up with it.

How.. how do you identify yourself and others as Jewish?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

How.. how do you identify yourself and others as Jewish?

Stick to the topic please, Kizzy.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

And here are people complaining about that graffiti mural.
Posting such a picture says it all and I'm amazed its still sitting here.

And yet you are happy to see Kizzy and her avatars?

what hypocrisy

[Livia]

This is true, though....

Spoiler:

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Please don’t refer to Marsh as a tit.

I laugh everytime I see it ,I would have laughed had it been anyone

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Livia

This is true, though....

Spoiler:

I have an aunt that looks like that Livia and she is very STERN (see what I did there)lol

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

That are Caucasian, arabic, and black people who follow the Jewish faith, and then there are ethnic Jews.

What do you mean, 'then there are ethnic Jews?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

Stick to the topic please, Kizzy.

You contributed to the discussion, I'm asking for clarification on your comment.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

And yet you are happy to see Kizzy and her avatars?

what hypocrisy

Is may in her shades offensive to you?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

You contributed to the discussion, I'm asking for clarification on your comment.

And I'm telling you no.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I have an aunt that looks like that Livia and she is very STERN (see what I did there)lol

I didn't know you were Jewish Kaz.

[chuff me dizzy]

A Momentum officer has resigned in protest at Labour’s anti-semitism scandal saying he felt “sometimes unsafe and most certainly untrusted” as a Jewish member of one of its London Steering Groups. Joshua Garfield posted about his resignation from Newham Momentum’s governing body on social media, writing:

“This past week, the Labour Party has been mired in a series of accusations of antisemitism, both individual and institutionalised; I can say from first hand experience that these accusations are not without foundation. As a Jewish member, I have witnessed more antisemitism in the past week than I ever have in my 8 years of Labour Party membership.

“I have seen discussions on social media, both publicly and privately, between members of Newham Momentum and elected representatives of its Steering Group, which leave me unable to serve on that body in good conscience. In the past week, I have felt sometimes unsafe, and most certainly untrusted as a Jewish member of the Steering Group, hence I’ve decided to step down. While I believe political education and antisemitism training may help members of the group, in all honesty I don’t believe it would be sufficient to combat some of the deep-seated prejudices I saw being aired confidently, and which went unchallenged. I cannot work alongside individuals who seek to silence the legitimate concerns of Jewish Labour members, or who remain silent in the face of blatant racism.”
A Momentum Spokesperson said:

“As made clear in our recent statement, Momentum is committed to stamping out antisemitism across the Labour movement. Any complaints we receive will be investigated fully in line with our code of ethics, and appropriate disciplinary action will be taken.”

[Livia]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

A Momentum officer has resigned in protest at Labour’s anti-semitism scandal saying he felt “sometimes unsafe and most certainly untrusted” as a Jewish member of one of its London Steering Groups......... etc. etc. etc.

That's interesting Chuff, I come from Newham. Surprised I don't know him!

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

That's interesting Chuff, I come from Newham. Surprised I don't know him!

Yes its enlightening isn't ?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Yes its enlightening isn't ?

It's never going to be addressed while people don't believe it's going on and actually denying it in the face of people's experiences.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

A Momentum officer has resigned in protest at Labour’s anti-semitism scandal saying he felt “sometimes unsafe and most certainly untrusted” as a Jewish member of one of its London Steering Groups. Joshua Garfield posted about his resignation from Newham Momentum’s governing body on social media, writing:

“This past week, the Labour Party has been mired in a series of accusations of antisemitism, both individual and institutionalised; I can say from first hand experience that these accusations are not without foundation. As a Jewish member, I have witnessed more antisemitism in the past week than I ever have in my 8 years of Labour Party membership.

“I have seen discussions on social media, both publicly and privately, between members of Newham Momentum and elected representatives of its Steering Group, which leave me unable to serve on that body in good conscience. In the past week, I have felt sometimes unsafe, and most certainly untrusted as a Jewish member of the Steering Group, hence I’ve decided to step down. While I believe political education and antisemitism training may help members of the group, in all honesty I don’t believe it would be sufficient to combat some of the deep-seated prejudices I saw being aired confidently, and which went unchallenged. I cannot work alongside individuals who seek to silence the legitimate concerns of Jewish Labour members, or who remain silent in the face of blatant racism.”
A Momentum Spokesperson said:

“As made clear in our recent statement, Momentum is committed to stamping out antisemitism across the Labour movement. Any complaints we receive will be investigated fully in line with our code of ethics, and appropriate disciplinary action will be taken.”

That's enlightening, and says much about the effectiveness of Corbyn's supposed crack down on antisemitism

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Livia

This is true, though....

Spoiler:

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

A Momentum officer has resigned in protest at Labour’s anti-semitism scandal saying he felt “sometimes unsafe and most certainly untrusted” as a Jewish member of one of its London Steering Groups. Joshua Garfield posted about his resignation from Newham Momentum’s governing body on social media, writing:

“This past week, the Labour Party has been mired in a series of accusations of antisemitism, both individual and institutionalised; I can say from first hand experience that these accusations are not without foundation. As a Jewish member, I have witnessed more antisemitism in the past week than I ever have in my 8 years of Labour Party membership.

“I have seen discussions on social media, both publicly and privately, between members of Newham Momentum and elected representatives of its Steering Group, which leave me unable to serve on that body in good conscience. In the past week, I have felt sometimes unsafe, and most certainly untrusted as a Jewish member of the Steering Group, hence I’ve decided to step down. While I believe political education and antisemitism training may help members of the group, in all honesty I don’t believe it would be sufficient to combat some of the deep-seated prejudices I saw being aired confidently, and which went unchallenged. I cannot work alongside individuals who seek to silence the legitimate concerns of Jewish Labour members, or who remain silent in the face of blatant racism.”
A Momentum Spokesperson said:

“As made clear in our recent statement, Momentum is committed to stamping out antisemitism across the Labour movement. Any complaints we receive will be investigated fully in line with our code of ethics, and appropriate disciplinary action will be taken.”

Brilliant post, Chuff and one which as far as I am concerned is GAME, SET and MATCH where the case for extreme anti-Semitism in Corbyn's 'Labour' Party.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Brilliant post, Chuff and one which as far as I am concerned is GAME, SET and MATCH where the case for extreme anti-Semitism in Corbyn's 'Labour' Party.

Strange it should pop up on my Facebook today ,I think it leaves little left to be send my lovely Kirk

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Livia

It's never going to be addressed while people don't believe it's going on and actually denying it in the face of people's experiences.

Agree with this.

I'm sure I've stated on the forum that as a life long labour supporter I don't think I can vote for Jeremy Corbyn. Its not a case of his polices but more his leadership. I'm not really bothered if the accusations are true or not but I do feel that in the face of such public opinion Corbyns response has been lukewarm at best. Accusations of such an element within the labour party should have demanded a much more emphatic response.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Agree with this.

I'm sure I've stated on the forum that as a life long labour supporter I don't think I can vote for Jeremy Corbyn. Its not a case of his polices but more his leadership. I'm not really bothered if the accusations are true or not but I do feel that in the face of such public opinion Corbyns response has been lukewarm at best. Accusations of such an element within the labour party should have demanded a much more emphatic response.

Indeed and a meeting with a anarchist fringe group was a total piss-take when feelings were running so high

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Agree with this.

I'm sure I've stated on the forum that as a life long labour supporter I don't think I can vote for Jeremy Corbyn. Its not a case of his polices but more his leadership. I'm not really bothered if the accusations are true or not but I do feel that in the face of such public opinion Corbyns response has been lukewarm at best. Accusations of such an element within the labour party should have demanded a much more emphatic response.

Great post Girth. The FRUSTRATING irony for me is that I am not tied to ANY one Political Party but even though I am becoming more and more disenchanted with the Government, I could NEVER vote Labour again whilst Corbyn AND his like-minded cronies are running it.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Indeed and a meeting with a anarchist fringe group was a total piss-take when feelings were running so high

Exactly. Its almost like its about what he thinks is important, and not what the public thinks is important and thats the wrong way round IMO

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Agree with this.

I'm sure I've stated on the forum that as a life long labour supporter I don't think I can vote for Jeremy Corbyn. Its not a case of his polices but more his leadership. I'm not really bothered if the accusations are true or not but I do feel that in the face of such public opinion Corbyns response has been lukewarm at best. Accusations of such an element within the labour party should have demanded a much more emphatic response.

I too am a life long Labour voter,but they could put lighted matches down my nails and I still would never vote for this sneaky idiot