[hijaxers]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

If it is a GENUINE 'Centrist' Party, then it can have MY vote, because I am peed off with the Government on a lot of policy decisions but can NEVER EVER think about voting Labour again while ever Corbyn and his like-minded cronies run the party.

Exactly my feelings but i still want out !

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Because anything is possible to keep the left from getting in power... that's why. If you don't believe that fine nobody is forcing you to are they? :/

You can believe what you want, doesn't mean I'm not free to express my view of it

[AnnieK]

If anything, it could be ex-members of both parties behind this. There are lots of disillusioned tory and labour members who still want to play a part in politics but disagree with their original parties. Seems a bit far fetched to be a ploy by one side or another imo

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

If anything, it could be ex-members of both parties behind this. There are lots of disillusioned tory and labour members who still want to play a part in politics but disagree with their original parties. Seems a bit far fetched to be a ploy by one side or another imo

People do like their conspiracy theories though.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

If anything, it could be ex-members of both parties behind this. There are lots of disillusioned tory and labour members who still want to play a part in politics but disagree with their original parties.

Thinking about it though; isn't that exactly what "New Labour" was in the 90's?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

You can believe what you want, doesn't mean I'm not free to express my view of it

Mock me all you like I couldn't give a toss.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

People do like their conspiracy theories though.

Not as much as people love mocking and baiting obv...

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Thinking about it though; isn't that exactly what "New Labour" was in the 90's?

New Labour sought to change the fact that the Tories had won every election in the last twenty years and they succeeded, there was no Tory involvement in that

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Not as much as people love mocking and baiting obv...

Do you believe that no-one could ever accuse you of baiting Kizzy?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

New Labour sought to change the fact that the Tories had won every election in the last twenty years and they succeeded, there was no Tory involvement in that

Were they really that different though?..

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Were they really that different though?..

Different enough for people to think them better than the Tory government, no other Labour leader had achieved that for a long time and no Labour leader has achieved it since

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Under our system it's very hard for a new party to make any real impact, look at how Ukip were getting a huge number of votes in 2015 but ended up with only one MP. Best hope really is to persuade a few sitting MPs to defect who might then be voted back in under the new party

^ I agree with this too.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Different enough for people to think them better than the Tory government, no other Labour leader had achieved that for a long time and no Labour leader has achieved it since

Well yes but that's what I mean. Labour steered heavily center from their position on the left to appeal to borderline Tories whilst not alienating too many Labour supporters and thus, New Labour.

Labour is heading left again, we are a decade into Tory rule again, and to break that scenario there needs to be that "Labour-Tory-Lite" option... But it's increasingly seeming that another Labour shift to the center is unlikely this time round, and thus, a "New Party" is needed to fill that position.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

If anything, it could be ex-members of both parties behind this. There are lots of disillusioned tory and labour members who still want to play a part in politics but disagree with their original parties. Seems a bit far fetched to be a ploy by one side or another imo

A GREAT post Annie - FULL of common sense.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Different enough for people to think them better than the Tory government, no other Labour leader had achieved that for a long time and no Labour leader has achieved it since

Yes they did, I voted new labour having lived through the warmongering and the privatisation that happened during the blair years I don't feel they were a million miles from tories... I want a gulf away from them.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Were they really that different though?..

Blair was so far right he literally said, "People should vote Tory" just prior to the last election.

This new party sounds like its collecting a lot of disgruntled Conservative members and right leaning Labour members. https://www.politicshome.com/news/eu...party-if-right

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Well yes but that's what I mean. Labour steered heavily center from their position on the left to appeal to borderline Tories whilst not alienating too many Labour supporters and thus, New Labour.

Labour is heading left again, we are a decade into Tory rule again, and to break that scenario there needs to be that "Labour-Tory-Lite" option... But it's increasingly seeming that another Labour shift to the center is unlikely this time round, and thus, a "New Party" is needed to fill that position.

Right but it was a change that came from within Labour, it might have appealed to some wavering Tory voters but I don't think there was any Tory involvement at the heart of it

[DemolitionRed]

And they want to remain in the EU so that's going to bring them probably more than half the countries vote.

[DemolitionRed]

Blair sat further right than his predecessor John Major. Major is famous for saying, "I took my clothes off to go for a swim in the Thames and when I got back to the bank, Blair was wearing them".

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Right but it was a change that came from within Labour, it might have appealed to some wavering Tory voters but I don't think there was any Tory involvement at the heart of it

I suppose, but I personally think "Tory" has a subtly different definition to "Conservative". There are Tories in the Labour Party. There are even non-Tories in the Conservative party .

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

And they want to remain in the EU so that's going to bring them probably more than half the countries vote.

I wouldn’t bet on it. And Corbyn was supposed to be so anti-EU! He may just change his mind AGAIN.

[Brillopad]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...centrist-party

A disappointing development.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Blair sat further right than his predecessor John Major. Major is famous for saying, "I took my clothes off to go for a swim in the Thames and when I got back to the bank, Blair was wearing them".

It is all fine now for Labourites to 'distance' themselves from crook Blair but it did not stop all those Labour Supporters from voting for him and his Party 3 times then - INCLUDING myself ONCE to my eternal shame.

[bitontheslide]

For a party to have at its heart a pro eu stance at this point is simply stupid. Democracy voted for us to leave the EU, we will have left the EU before the next election, so their key pledge is worthless. It's a non starter. We will have whatever relationship with the EU as is agreed between ourselves and them on exit. End of story.

Edit: Just to say, I voted remain, but I respect democracy. I would never give my vote to a party that tries to change that decision, and I know I am not alone.

[jaxie]

I read this morning Blair is heavily involved in the new party. Immediate turn off.