[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Calderyon

In terms of her being a target above others ie: a potential evictee is down to her.

The twist was stupid and unfair though. But so are most of them and houseguests should prepare for them to happen.

The only way to not be a target in BBCAN this series is to be like William, Maddy, or Paras.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Well it's a cowards move to backdoor (I feel the same with Erica's HOH the week Veronica went) but away from my opinion of backdooring, Kaela's backdoor plan went wrong as Johnny won the Veto (which Kaela could've stopped him winning)he didn't use it so that should've meant game on for next week between Daela and Erica and Johnny and see who was good enough to win the next HOH, but instead BBCAN production nuked the unpredictability of who would win to safeguard the Showmance (as per usual) it's why I only casually watch BBCAN as they knew that Kaela would take a strike at Erica if Erica didn't have a whole week to campaign, tbf I don't blame Kaela as she did make the right move for herself in the end (even though I do think that she's made more enemies along the way by nominating two pawns that week) I blame the production for not even giving Erica a chance at survival, they knew that with Kaela being HOH that only two people were vulnerable to the twist and they (the production) deliberately targeted them knowing that Kaela wouldn't have the courage to nominate them against each other upfront.

No really a cowards way, and production did give any hgs a chance to survive with the ‘not use veto option’ but hgs should expect twists and try and cover that just incase. If you’re a target then bad luck. Its the productions and Erica’s fault. Whatever you do in the house may come back and get you if you’re not careful enough. Kaela choosing Erica and making sure she goes was gameplay not just some random stuff. It happened to Bruno on bbcan3, he was evicted because of viewers giving brittnee power but Bruno was fine until he blew up at Sarah.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by LukeB

No really a cowards way, and production did give any hgs a chance to survive with the ‘not use veto option’ but hgs should expect twists and try and cover that just incase. If you’re a target then bad luck. Its the productions and Erica’s fault. Whatever you do in the house may come back and get you if you’re not careful enough. Kaela choosing Erica and making sure she goes was gameplay not just some random stuff. It happened to Bruno on bbcan3, he was evicted because of viewers giving brittnee power but Bruno was fine until he blew up at Sarah.

But Bruno's eviction was unfair, it doesn't matter who it is or if their game had weaknesses (which every single HM/HG has weak spots in their game) if the HOH and Veto for that week has been played and you're not on the block and then a twist comes in that sees you evicted then it's the production's fault not the Housemate in question as they did enough to get through that week and could've advanced further, I especially think so in the case of Erica as she was quite good at the comps.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

But Bruno's eviction was unfair, it doesn't matter who it is or if their game had weaknesses (which every single HM/HG has weak spots in their game) if the HOH and Veto for that week has been played and you're not on the block and then a twist comes in that sees you evicted then it's the production's fault not the Housemate in question as they did enough to get through that week and could've advanced further, I especially think so in the case of Erica as she was quite good at the comps.

I don’t really understand how you can’t also blame the evicted houseguest? Pretty sure Zach was going after Brittnee won but Bruno getting angry at Sarah made him the target so that is his fault.

Kaela could have chosen Maddy or Paras but she chose Erica because Erica made herself a target not the production.

Twists are productions fault but they can’t be blamed for how the houseguest play of their actions. They don’t force them to ruin their games

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by LukeB

I don’t really understand how you can’t also blame the evicted houseguest? Pretty sure Zach was going after Brittnee won but Bruno getting angry at Sarah made him the target so that is his fault.

Kaela could have chosen Maddy or Paras but she chose Erica because Erica made herself a target not the production.

Twists are productions fault but they can’t be blamed for how the houseguest play of their actions. They don’t force them to ruin their games

The point that you're missing is that if the twist wasn't in play then Erica could've gone onto win the series, or she could've just gone under this Derek HOH anyway, the point is we'll never truly know how good or bad Erica's game was because the production ruined her game instead. I also don't get how Erica evading the block under Kaela's HOH is a bad game move? She had intimidated Kaela to such a point that she was scared to put Erica up, yes she got lucky with Johnny winning the POV, but that is within the rules of the game and Kaela had failed to get Erica or Johnny out, neither of them deserved what happened afterwards all because they'd outplayed Daela that week.

[Calderyon]

Erica would have never won. She was too clear of a target physically, socially and somewhat strategically.

She was going to go eventually anyway. At least if a double or a triple would have happened.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

The point that you're missing is that if the twist wasn't in play then Erica could've gone onto win the series, or she could've just gone under this Derek HOH anyway, the point is we'll never truly know how good or bad Erica's game was because the production ruined her game instead. I also don't get how Erica evading the block under Kaela's HOH is a bad game move? She had intimidated Kaela to such a point that she was scared to put Erica up, yes she got lucky with Johnny winning the POV, but that is within the rules of the game and Kaela had failed to get Erica or Johnny out, neither of them deserved what happened afterwards all because they'd outplayed Daela that week.

I didn’t deny that but Erica has some blame because of her gameplay, she would have survived if she wasn’t a target or someone else like ali or liv winning HOH. The twist was annouced before Kaela won hoh. Kaela getting rid of erica (with the help from canada) was a good game move.

This twist could have sent anyone out because of their gameplay

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Calderyon

Erica would have never won. She was too clear of a target physically, socially and somewhat strategically.

Yeah, she had a great social game but i think her wanting to beat the female comp record lost her focus on getting to the end

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Calderyon

Erica would have never won. She was too clear of a target physically, socially and somewhat strategically.

She was going to go eventually anyway. At least if a double or a triple would have happened.

I agree with you personally, but she still should've been given a chance to see just how far she naturally was going to go.

I mean by the looks of things the house is just turning into who's less useless at the game if Johnny goes aswell which will be from the affect of the twist.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by LukeB

I didn’t deny that but Erica has some blame because of her gameplay, she would have survived if she wasn’t a target or someone else like ali or liv winning HOH. The twist was annouced before Kaela won hoh. Kaela getting rid of erica (with the help from canada) was a good game move.

This twist could have sent anyone out because of their gameplay

And if it had've sent someone else home it still would've been the production's fault as the Housemate in question had done enough to get through the week.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

And if it had've sent someone else home it still would've been the production's fault as the Housemate in question had done enough to get through the week.

And their fault because of their gameplay

[Calderyon]

As a HG, you have to be prepared that a twist/twists will happen. They always have they always will.

Otherwise do not bother applying. You need adaptability.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Calderyon

As a HG, you have to be prepared that a twist/twists will happen. They always have they always will.

Otherwise do not bother applying.

I don't think that people should be being told that they're playing a social game where they've got to manipulate their fellow competitors into giving them the win, and then have a public vote come in and wreck their game.

As you've said twists happen on Big Brother, but they shouldn't compromise the core concept of the individual Big Brother.

[Calderyon]

Which one?

Orginal or US?

I mean in a sense, both BBUS and BBCAN are "twists" to the original format.

[Calderyon]

Do you think all public votes are unfair re: BBCAN/BBUS?