[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

So sad for you but a note at least is closure of sorts.

Yeah, I mean I know we all have down times where we feel sad and low for no real reason but with most people they know they'll snap out of it the next day or after a nights sleep or whatever. I just try to imagine feeling like that but not knowing if you'll ever snap out of it again. It must be truly horrendous

[LeatherTrumpet]

The current thinking on depression ( and gathering evidence apace) is that it is medical, an inflammation of the brain.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Yes but anecdotal evidence is just that, I wonder if there have been any studies done?

Yeah it's anecdotal but that's all I have I'm afraid. And I was replying to your comment about getting help and admitting you have a problem which people do do and for some that doesn't help

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The current thinking on depression ( and gathering evidence apace) is that it is medical, an inflammation of the brain.

I suppose that's good news? That you can treat it properly with medication but I have heard that the current medications they prescribe can totally dampen peoples personalities and abilities to enjoy life aswell. Hopefully that will change

[LeatherTrumpet]

Coincidentally when i went to my dads grave last week I took the TL to see my G Grandfathers grave, he hung himself in his loft when he was 39

Imagine going up the ladder to your loft knowing that you were about to do that, does not bear thinking about

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Coincidentally when i went to my dads grave last week I took the TL to see my G Grandfathers grave, he hung himself in his loft when he was 39

Imagine going up the ladder to your loft knowing that you were about to do that, does not bear thinking about

Yeah which is why I think that it can't be a frivolous decision too, I mean no person acting out of just selfishness will do that. You know, if that's the only way you think is going to stop the despair you're going through? It's so sad

[LeatherTrumpet]

Had an auction pal, Irish chap, 5 kids, spoke to everyone, knew everyone, lovely and friendly had banter going with all the porters and ladies in the office, in his early 40s

One day i went to my usual auction and a lady came up to me and aid did you here about Jim, i said no, she said went off into the woods by his house with a sleeping bag and pills and vodka and killed himself

I still cant quite believe that and it was 4 years ago now, awful

[arista]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

No it isn't, I do often wonder if she'd waited a bit longer because she was so young would things have gotten better for her but maybe not I don't know. 18 is so young, my own daughter just turned 18 last Monday

Yes I agree very Sad loss.
So Young.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Had an auction pal, Irish chap, 5 kids, spoke to everyone, knew everyone, lovely and friendly had banter going with all the porters and ladies in the office, in his early 40s

One day i went to my usual auction and a lady came up to me and aid did you here about Jim, i said no, she said went off into the woods by his house with a sleeping bag and pills and vodka and killed himself

I still cant quite believe that and it was 4 years ago now, awful

Yeah, you always hear that too don't you, how friendly and funny and joyful people are and how it's such a shock. My friend was like that too, always the joker in the group

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah, you always hear that too don't you, how friendly and funny and joyful people are and how it's such a shock. My friend was like that too, always the joker in the group

this is why i think that it must be in many cases a medical condition that alters the brain and the thought process chemically

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

this is why i think that it must be in many cases a medical condition that alters the brain and the thought process chemically

Yeah I think you could be right. Brains are funny things.

Ugh this thread is making me feel a bit weepy. It's an interesting topic though

[LeatherTrumpet]

Crude Suicide Rate by Country 2018

Spoiler:

Country Crude Suicide Rate Rank
Sri Lanka 35.3 suicides per 100k 1
Lithuania 32.7 suicides per 100k 2
Guyana 29 suicides per 100k 3
Mongolia 28.3 suicides per 100k 5
South Korea 28.3 suicides per 100k 4
Kazakhstan 27.5 suicides per 100k 6
Suriname 26.6 suicides per 100k 7
Belarus 22.8 suicides per 100k 8
Equatorial Guinea 22.6 suicides per 100k 9
Poland 22.3 suicides per 100k 10
Latvia 21.7 suicides per 100k 11
Hungary 21.6 suicides per 100k 12
Slovenia 21.4 suicides per 100k 13
Belgium 20.5 suicides per 100k 15
Angola 20.5 suicides per 100k 14
Ukraine 20.1 suicides per 100k 17
Russia 20.1 suicides per 100k 16
Japan 19.7 suicides per 100k 18
Estonia 18.9 suicides per 100k 19
Bolivia 18.7 suicides per 100k 20
Croatia 17.5 suicides per 100k 21
Central African Republic 17.4 suicides per 100k 22
Serbia 17 suicides per 100k 24
Uruguay 17 suicides per 100k 23
France 16.9 suicides per 100k 25
Austria 16.4 suicides per 100k 26
Finland 16.3 suicides per 100k 27
Thailand 16 suicides per 100k 28
Bulgaria 15.9 suicides per 100k 29
India 15.7 suicides per 100k 30
Sweden 15.4 suicides per 100k 32
Sierra Leone 15.4 suicides per 100k 31
Switzerland 15.1 suicides per 100k 33
Moldova 14.8 suicides per 100k 34
Swaziland 14.7 suicides per 100k 35
Trinidad And Tobago 14.6 suicides per 100k 36
United States 14.3 suicides per 100k 38
Kiribati 14.3 suicides per 100k 37
Argentina 14.2 suicides per 100k 39
Cuba 14.1 suicides per 100k 40
Portugal 13.7 suicides per 100k 41
Germany 13.4 suicides per 100k 42
Iceland 13.1 suicides per 100k 43
New Zealand 12.6 suicides per 100k 44
Slovakia 12.5 suicides per 100k 45
Denmark 12.3 suicides per 100k 48
Laos 12.3 suicides per 100k 47
Canada 12.3 suicides per 100k 46
Netherlands 11.9 suicides per 100k 51
Cameroon 11.9 suicides per 100k 50
Cambodia 11.9 suicides per 100k 49
Australia 11.8 suicides per 100k 52
Romania 11.7 suicides per 100k 55
Ireland 11.7 suicides per 100k 54
Bhutan 11.7 suicides per 100k 53
Haiti 11.2 suicides per 100k 56
Luxembourg 11.1 suicides per 100k 58
El Salvador 11.1 suicides per 100k 57
Montenegro 11 suicides per 100k 59
Norway 10.9 suicides per 100k 61
Gabon 10.9 suicides per 100k 60
South Africa 10.7 suicides per 100k 62
Zimbabwe 10.5 suicides per 100k 63
Lesotho 10.4 suicides per 100k 64
Papua New Guinea 10.3 suicides per 100k 66
Paraguay 10.3 suicides per 100k 65
Sudan 10.2 suicides per 100k 67
China 10 suicides per 100k 69
Turkmenistan 10 suicides per 100k 68
Chile 9.9 suicides per 100k 72
Nigeria 9.9 suicides per 100k 71
Singapore 9.9 suicides per 100k 70
Dr Congo 9.8 suicides per 100k 73
Botswana 9.7 suicides per 100k 74
Republic Of The Congo 9.6 suicides per 100k 75
Nicaragua 9.5 suicides per 100k 77
Togo 9.5 suicides per 100k 76
Benin 9.4 suicides per 100k 78
Mauritius 9.3 suicides per 100k 81
Seychelles 9.3 suicides per 100k 80
Uzbekistan 9.3 suicides per 100k 79
Burkina Faso 9.2 suicides per 100k 82
Chad 8.8 suicides per 100k 83
Turkey 8.7 suicides per 100k 84
Djibouti 8.6 suicides per 100k 86
Maldives 8.6 suicides per 100k 85
Spain 8.5 suicides per 100k 90
Rwanda 8.5 suicides per 100k 89
Cape Verde 8.5 suicides per 100k 88
Fiji 8.5 suicides per 100k 87
Mozambique 8.4 suicides per 100k 92
Ethiopia 8.4 suicides per 100k 91
Yemen 8.2 suicides per 100k 93
Burundi 8 suicides per 100k 94
Italy 7.9 suicides per 100k 96
Solomon Islands 7.9 suicides per 100k 95
Costa Rica 7.7 suicides per 100k 99
Namibia 7.7 suicides per 100k 98
Guinea 7.7 suicides per 100k 97
Ecuador 7.5 suicides per 100k 100
Kyrgyzstan 7.4 suicides per 100k 103
Comoros 7.4 suicides per 100k 102
Vietnam 7.4 suicides per 100k 101
Belize 7.3 suicides per 100k 104
Uganda 7.2 suicides per 100k 105
Timor Leste 7.1 suicides per 100k 106
Tanzania 7 suicides per 100k 107
Ghana 6.9 suicides per 100k 108
Dominican Republic 6.8 suicides per 100k 110
Saint Lucia 6.8 suicides per 100k 109
Georgia 6.7 suicides per 100k 112
Eritrea 6.7 suicides per 100k 111
Kenya 6.5 suicides per 100k 114
Bahrain 6.5 suicides per 100k 113
Qatar 6.4 suicides per 100k 117
South Sudan 6.4 suicides per 100k 116
Zambia 6.4 suicides per 100k 115
Brazil 6.3 suicides per 100k 120
Guinea Bissau 6.3 suicides per 100k 119
Liberia 6.3 suicides per 100k 118
Gambia 6.2 suicides per 100k 121
Colombia 6.1 suicides per 100k 123
Senegal 6.1 suicides per 100k 122
Bosnia And Herzegovina 6 suicides per 100k 126
Nepal 6 suicides per 100k 125
Malta 6 suicides per 100k 124
Mauritania 5.9 suicides per 100k 127
Vanuatu 5.8 suicides per 100k 130
Malaysia 5.8 suicides per 100k 129
Peru 5.8 suicides per 100k 128
Mali 5.7 suicides per 100k 132
Samoa 5.7 suicides per 100k 131
Oman 5.6 suicides per 100k 133
Israel 5.5 suicides per 100k 140
Afghanistan 5.5 suicides per 100k 139
Libya 5.5 suicides per 100k 138
Bangladesh 5.5 suicides per 100k 137
Malawi 5.5 suicides per 100k 136
Panama 5.5 suicides per 100k 135
Tunisia 5.5 suicides per 100k 134
Armenia 5.4 suicides per 100k 142
Somalia 5.4 suicides per 100k 141
Mexico 5 suicides per 100k 143
Morocco 4.8 suicides per 100k 144
Cyprus 4.7 suicides per 100k 146
Madagascar 4.7 suicides per 100k 145
Myanmar 4.3 suicides per 100k 149
Albania 4.3 suicides per 100k 148
Greece 4.3 suicides per 100k 147
Niger 4.1 suicides per 100k 150
Kuwait 4 suicides per 100k 152
Tajikistan 4 suicides per 100k 151
Iran 3.6 suicides per 100k 154
Honduras 3.6 suicides per 100k 153
Tonga 3.5 suicides per 100k 155
Saudi Arabia 3.4 suicides per 100k 157
Philippines 3.4 suicides per 100k 156
Azerbaijan 3.3 suicides per 100k 158
Jordan 3.2 suicides per 100k 159
Algeria 3.1 suicides per 100k 161
Lebanon 3.1 suicides per 100k 160
Iraq 3 suicides per 100k 163
Venezuela 3 suicides per 100k 162
Indonesia 2.9 suicides per 100k 165
United Arab Emirates 2.9 suicides per 100k 164
Saint Vincent And The Grenadines 2.7 suicides per 100k 167
Syria 2.7 suicides per 100k 166
Egypt 2.6 suicides per 100k 168
Guatemala 2.5 suicides per 100k 169
Pakistan 2.1 suicides per 100k 170
Sao Tome And Principe 2 suicides per 100k 171
Bahamas 1.8 suicides per 100k 172
Jamaica 1.4 suicides per 100k 173
Brunei 1.3 suicides per 100k 174
Grenada 0.5 suicides per 100k 175
Barbados 0.4 suicides per 100k 176
Antigua And Barbuda 0 suicides per 100

http://worldpopulationreview.com/cou...te-by-country/

[Niamh.]

How come the UK isn't on that list?

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

How come the UK isn't on that list?

i dont know


suicide rate for the UK is 16.0 per 100,000 for males and 5.0 per 100,000 for females

[Niamh.]

Looks like the Caribbean is the place to be

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

It's NOT really a long post Twosugars, but it is a beautifully honest and brilliant post. Thank you.

AS with the other honest posts on here, I am genuinely moved and more than a little disturbed.

All too often on these forums, we become so used to unconscious imagery and imagined personas created by avatars and words, that we lose sight of the fact that there are real people - humans - behind the chat and discussions.

I have been 'depressed' as I guess most people have at some times in their lives but I don't think that I have ever suffered 'Depression' of the degree being revealed here and my heart goes out to those who are suffering from this.

We are all too familiar with the increasingly common reports of medical/surgical patients being kept overnight on trolleys in corridors through a lack of hospital beds and other atrocious and unacceptable 'horror' stories due to the NHS lack of funding crisis, but experiences like yours with the lack of care from Medical profession and Psychiatrists are less well publicised but as equally enraging and SOMETHING must be done to improve this unacceptable state of affairs.

I believe wholeheartedly that discussion has a cathartic effect on me and I hope - genuinely hope - that this is the same for you and other depression sufferers on here.

My Message Box is always open should you or anyone else ever feel any need to talk - politics or shet - it does not matter.

I have been made to stop and think about my views on certain subjects by the contributions to this thread about a subject which I hitherto never thought about, and THAT in itself is a fact to be lauded.

Aw, thank you Kirk for your kind and thoughtful words. And your offer of lending a sympathetic ear.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Aw, thank you Kirk for your kind and thoughtful words. And your offer of lending a sympathetic ear.

No problem Twosugars. I mean every word mate. This has shaken me a little because I have never given this horrible illness any real thought despite a very dear friend of mine committing suicide by pouring petrol over himself in his parked van and setting himself on fire when still a young man over 35 years ago now.

He was always a little 'miserable' looking but perfectly normal to all intents and purposes and enjoyed a laugh and living, but apart from the great shock and the mentally wondering 'Why?' when he did what he did with NO warning, I never thought any more about depression.

Anytime you need to talk mate I'm here.

[Mitchell]

Not selfish at all imo

[Denver]

It is selfish but I don't think they realise this they just want to end their suffering

[Gusto Brunt]

Sorry to say it is selfish.

More so when someone kills themselves and their wife and kids.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Gusto Brunt

Sorry to say it is selfish.

More so when someone kills themselves and their wife and kids.

Well that's murder, totally different from suicide

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Agreed, if you want to kill yourself you can always do it.

As to those with depression not seeking help, life is not that simple.
Sometimes people are trapped pretending they're fine because that's what's expected of them.
Sometimes people try to seek help and are met with unhelpful or demoralised health service professionals. Sometimes depressed people cannot be persistent and eloquent enough to explain how they feel because depression diminished their cognitive skills.
I can give you some examples from my encounters with "help".
I moved from one part of London to another 6 years ago. I'd suffered from depression for the last 19 years and my records showed that. The first practice I registerd with at the new address couldn't manage to get my records transferred from the old practice for 6 months. I had to beg for every single prescription of antidepressants until they finally got my records. For the next two years it was smooth sailing. Then I started going downhill very quickly. Went to ask for a referral, a GP told me that I have nothing to be depressed about and should try his life to see what hardship is. So I changed the practice. There first doctor I saw agreed to refer me and then forgot while I waited for 5 months. Went to another who thankfully refered me straightaway. 2 months later had my assessment with a psychiatrist where I was told I have to wait up to a year to see a therapist. During that year they tinkered changing my antidepressants as nothing seemed to work anymore. Finally arrived at something that wasn't brilliant but made my life bearable. The therapy consisted of 8 1hr meetings with no possibility of extension (lack of resources). Try to get your whole outlook on life and unresolved issues sorted in 8 hours. After that psychiatrist had enough and started pressurising me gently to say I wasn't suicidal anymore. I complied and they dropped me. Am I better, yes. Am I cured, no. I'm still depressed and anxious. Sometimes I can't face the outside world. But according to them, I'm good to go.
I was persistent because I wanted to save myself for those I love. Others may not have enough strength to battle the system.

Geez, I'm giving Maru run for her money with the length of this post

You've highlighted so many of the very real problems that exist in your post, Twosugars. You are showing that even someone desperately seeking help can fail to receive anything truly meaningful, and that's a massive issue.

No-one would choose suicide if there seemed to be another way out- it must be the most frightening thing in the world.

I hope you know that you are not alone, Twosugars, and that there are always people on here willing to listen and provide support, should you ever need it.