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Old 19-10-2013, 07:51 PM #1
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If you've got a spare half hour, and if you're interested, here's Alex Salmonds speech at the SNP conference

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The main problem with the union is that Scotland as a population has a far more socialist mindset than the UK as a whole. For example - Scotland has never voted for a conservative government. Not ever. And yet Scottish citizens, services and infrastructure have suffered at the hands of several Tory governments who are firmly focussed on London and The South of England. That is a problem, in my eyes... It's a country of several million being ruled 50% of the time by a government that they did not vote for by a country mile. Tory governments docnot represent the interests and political standpoints of Scottish people. This is not democracy.

HOWEVER, both countries benefit immensely from the easy trade between countries within the Union and shared resources... This is fairly clear.

Personally I think Scottish people would be best served by an "ultimate devolution" - preserving the Union but allowing the Scottish government larger control over the spending of taxes raised north of the border, and full control over social policies such as welfare, especially housing. Although that would of course open up a can of worms re: benefits "tourism" from south of the border, but then again, the "three years residence" policy that applies to student university funding (Scottish students don't pay fees, English do, English people must have been resident in Scotland for 3 years to qualify for this) works perfectly well and so could apply in the same way to out-of-work benefits fairly easily? With in-work benefits being unaffected.
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I am interested but can't watch you tube on this mobile
I have heard he is a great motivator, but as good a showman as he is splintering the UK is risky.
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Just to clarify, would we be asking to join the Commonwealth as well as the EU?

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I tell you this if Scotland votes for independence I am boycotting Lorne Square sausages and Tunnocks tea cakes, so that's Ł3.89 a month less into the Scottish economy. With those kind of losses you guys are gonna have to make a Braveheart II or something to plug the gap.
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I tell you this if Scotland votes for independence I am boycotting Lorne Square sausages and Tunnocks tea cakes
Not Irn Bru though?
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Not Irn Bru though?
I'm sorry irn bru is just too good I can't boycott that. It's shame we don't get them in the glass bottles down here that you guys get, that was always my highlight of seeing my family up in Livingston as a kid!
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I'm sorry irn bru is just too good I can't boycott that. It's shame we don't get them in the glass bottles down here that you guys get, that was always my highlight of seeing my family up in Livingston as a kid!
I haven't seen a glass bottle of Irn Bru since it was forced to rename from Iron Brew!!

Edit: ....and who forced the name change?
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I tell you this if Scotland votes for independence I am boycotting Lorne Square sausages and Tunnocks tea cakes, so that's Ł3.89 a month less into the Scottish economy. With those kind of losses you guys are gonna have to make a Braveheart II or something to plug the gap.
You'd probably not be able to buy them anyway, London would put a prohibitive import duty on them!
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You'd probably not be able to buy them anyway, London would put a prohibitive import duty on them!
Then Yorkshire will demand a referendum too! Those poncy Tory boys and their jellied eels have meddled with our affairs for too long!
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You still get money for taking your glass bottles back!! It's 30p now though!
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You still get money for taking your glass bottles back!! It's 30p now though!
Do they not sell them anymore though Lee?
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Do they not sell them anymore though Lee?
Yeah the chippy sells glass bottles. I always get barrs red cola

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Never tried that, what's it taste like?


Reminds me of Tizer looking at it.
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That's 6 shillings in REAL money!
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You still get money for taking your glass bottles back!! It's 30p now though!
I love that you can still do that.
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I really hope you still sell them, If you do I'll have to pop into the centre next time I'm in livi and relive old times.
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You still get money for taking your glass bottles back!! It's 30p now though!
Such a good system, they have that system in Germany for all kinds of plastic bottles, you take them back to the supermarket, pop them in a machine and get back 25 cents per bottle you put in! Wish they had it over here, it'd encourage recycling.
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As an independent country, this presupposes that this NEW country will need a new currency even if they decide to call it the "Pound". ALL Countries have their own currency, don't they?
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I can't really describe what it tastes like.. Like a little bit of heaven maybe? Especially with a smoked sausage supper
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I can't really describe what it tastes like.. Like a little bit of heaven maybe? Especially with a smoked sausage supper
Yeah, sounds like "Tizer, the appetizer".
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Yeah, sounds like "Tizer, the appetizer".
It's not... the only way I can describe Red Cola is... if you took a whole kilo bag of sugar, dissolved it in fizzy water, and added 3 full bottles of red food colouring. That's basically Red Cola. The flavour can simply be described as sweet. Just sweet. A bottle of fizzy "sweet".
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It's not... the only way I can describe Red Cola is... if you took a whole kilo bag of sugar, dissolved it in fizzy water, and added 3 full bottles of red food colouring. That's basically Red Cola. The flavour can simply be described as sweet. Just sweet. A bottle of fizzy "sweet".
You can't dissolve sugar in fizzy water, it flattens it!
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We used to get barrs dandylion and burdock from the chippy in the 70's and get 10p back on the bottle, funny how we were more eco friendly then than now.
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We used to get barrs dandylion and burdock from the chippy in the 70's and get 10p back on the bottle, funny how we were more eco friendly then than now.
Yep, we live in a "No Deposit, No Return" world.
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