[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I felt much happier in my life under a Labour Government than I have done under a Tory Government.

Give me a naive Party over a ice cold Party anyday of the week.

Ice cold is a good description,I was looking and hoping to see some change after David Cameron talked about one nation party again and being fairer,after his election win.

However as usual with him, actions say far more than his words of any comfort.
Him now re-appointing Ian Duncan Smith as works and pensions secretary,signals to me no change and even worse to come again now.
So much then for being fairer.

Ian Duncan Smith has not got a single piece of compassion about him,I will never understand how such a dismal failure of a politician,(even as leader, the Conservatives got rid of him before he could even led them into an election),is permitted to have any power as to anyone's lives and incomes at all, never mind the most vulnerable peoples lives in society.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Probably not, but then, Labour hasn't spent the last 5 years destroying people's lives sooo...

no they spent the years before that 5 killing civilians in Iraq...

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

no they spent the years before that 5 killing civilians in Iraq...

That's ok though isn't it LT,it doesn't affect us !!! well said btw,now I am off before I get shot

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

no they spent the years before that 5 killing civilians in Iraq...

Moot point; the Tories would have gone to war in Iraq if they had been in power.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Moot point; the Tories would have gone to war in Iraq if they had been in power.

Probably, although MPs were misled over the legality and justification for the war and there is of course no way of knowing how the behind-the-scenes discussions would have played out with a Tory government, the Commons had very little involvement in it all

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Chaos

I wonder what people would say if it were the other way around - tories rioting over a labour win... Would people be as sympathetic then? I very much doubt it.

If Labour was implementing the same stuff that the Tories are doing then yes I would be sympathetic to most of the protesters, as at the end of the day while Labour's policies are extremely naive in certain areas, the Tories come off as really cold and evil in some of their policies, and if any Labour Government was putting them through we all know that the ones that are attacking the protesters would be defending them if it was the other way around.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

If Labour was implementing the same stuff that the Tories are doing then yes I would be sympathetic to most of the protesters, as at the end of the day while Labour's policies are extremely naive in certain areas, the Tories come off as really cold and evil in some of their policies, and if any Labour Government was putting them through we all know that the ones that are attacking the protesters would be defending them if it was the other way around.

Well said Mock, Labour never attacked and cut money from the sick and disabled and most vulnerable.
Even Margaret Thatcher never set out to do that in all her 11 years as PM or John Major after her either.

[Gstar]

Originally Posted by Chaos

I wonder what people would say if it were the other way around - tories rioting over a labour win... Would people be as sympathetic then? I very much doubt it.

Same difference. I'm not happy with the result (didn't vote conservatives) but nevertheless; let's not forget that David Cameron has young children who are probably very scared right now

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Germyle

Same difference. I'm not happy with the result (didn't vote conservatives) but nevertheless; let's not forget that David Cameron has young children who are probably very scared right now

I can't sympathise with that when there's thousands of people with scared children that risk losing their homes, livelihoods and healthcare because of these cuts.

[Gstar]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I can't sympathise with that when there's thousands of people with scared children that risk losing their homes, livelihoods and healthcare because of these cuts.

I was being sarcastic. The divide and superior attitude is disgusting in this country and it's only gonna get worse

[arista]

Originally Posted by Germyle

I was being sarcastic. The divide and superior attitude is disgusting in this country and it's only gonna get worse

No G.
its going to get better


Get on the Ladder

[Tom4784]

Their backgrounds don't ultimately matter, I'm not foolish enough to think that a labour government would be sunshine and rainbows but pretty much EVERY other party had pledged to do more for the working class and then the dumbasses went and voted in the one party who will do nothing but make the lives of most of the UK worse.

[empire]

duncan smith does not know what real life is, because he could not catch the people that are milking the system, instead he went after the sick, it just shows how much lies these parties would do just to make them selfs look good, labour and the tory's have never got welfare right, both parties have made it harder for people to get jobs under the rules of the job centure, all those parties no nothing about harsh life, they are there to rip you off,sorry for telling the truth, but that's life.

[Liam-]

As a full time carer for my two disabled parents, the idea of the next five years under this conservative government is frightening for me and my family, no compassion or empathy will be shown to the millions of people like us, all that will be shown is disdain for those who are not well off and the blatant attempt to make 'Britain' a place where only the rich can flourish and live lives where all they have to worry about is where they're going on their next holiday.
That to me is not Britain, Britain is a place where everyone gets a chance and there is help provided to at least try and let people live without worry.
I can fully understand why people are protesting against the result, it's going to lead to nothing but trouble and pain for a lot of people.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Liam-

As a full time carer for my two disabled parents, the idea of the next five years under this conservative government is frightening for me and my family, no compassion or empathy will be shown to the millions of people like us, all that will be shown is disdain for those who are not well off and the blatant attempt to make 'Britain' a place where only the rich can flourish and live lives where all they have to worry about is where they're going on their next holiday.
That to me is not Britain, Britain is a place where everyone gets a chance and there is help provided to at least try and let people live without worry.
I can fully understand why people are protesting against the result, it's going to lead to nothing but trouble and pain for a lot of people.

Very good post Liam. I completely agree with it.

I am fed up also of seeing so many saying 'the country is fine' 'the plans are working' 'theres jobs out there you just have to work hard'

Well no, the plan is certainly not working, especially for those that need it to the most, and some people can't just go out, find a job and 'graft hard' due to circumstances that are completely no fault of their own.

What really both saddens and angers me is this ever rising 'I'm alright so **** you Jack' attitude that's thrown around now, when did we honestly become so selfish that we don't give a **** about others as long as we are doing alright? And this is coming from someone that never really felt affected during the recession but I have seen how difficult it's been for people close to me and it's really going to get a lot worse.

In regards to the riots, the few that vandalised the war memorial are out of order. Everyone else that's protesting should not be tarred with the same brush and the fact that there are many feeling like this says a lot about how this government has been affecting people.

[Gstar]

I think that protests are a good way of expressing opinion or disagreement with something. When it turns to violent riots and people getting hurt then no

[user104658]

Kirk, you do realise that when you say to spray bullets into the crowd, and suggest that someone hand you a rifle to shoot these people between the eyes, you are using the language of extremism? I'm not even joking or just trying to get a rise. Your posts are becoming increasingly frantic and violent and have been for weeks. You are becoming an extremist.

extremist
[ik-stree-mist]

noun

1. a person who goes to extremes, especially in political matters.

2. a supporter or advocate of extreme doctrines or practices.



Really I'm only saying this because it seems like you're starting to lose all sense of rational perspective. There's disagreeing with a stance... And then there's stating in all seriousness that you would gun someone down in cold blood. Wtf kirk.

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32678518

here we see the "small minority of protesters" try and injure hard working, working class, policemen who are just trying to protect innocent citizens

meanwhile other crime in London goes on as the police have to deal with these idiots


great job protesters

[Livia]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32678518

here we see the "small minority of protesters" try and injure hard working, working class, policemen who are just trying to protect innocent citizens

meanwhile other crime in London goes on as the police have to deal with these idiots


great job protesters

I'm quite disgusted at this thread. How people can justify this pathetic riot is amazing, but not wholly unexpected. I remember "protestors" throwing a fire extinguisher from the top of Tory HQ, luckily it didn't kill anyone but it was an extreme act of violence and yet people were still saying they had a point.

Don't like the result of the election? Let's riot, and some people who didn't get the election result they wanted will back us. I wonder how many of those rioters have a job? I'm guessing not many. And sadly for the people who went along to peacefully protest - because even if I don't agree with them I do uphold their right to peaceful protest - their message has been lost on the majority, overshadowed by the reckless acts of the few. But some people are backing them! Astonishing.

The thread is the most depressing indictment of the left I've seen for a while, and it's up against some stiff competition.

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Livia

I'm quite disgusted at this thread. How people can justify this pathetic riot is amazing, but not wholly unexpected. I remember "protestors" throwing a fire extinguisher from the top of Tory HQ, luckily it didn't kill anyone but it was an extreme act of violence and yet people were still saying they had a point.

Don't like the result of the election? Let's riot, and some people who didn't get the election result they wanted will back us. I wonder how many of those rioters have a job? I'm guessing not many. And sadly for the people who went along to peacefully protest - because even if I don't agree with them I do uphold their right to peaceful protest - their message has been lost on the majority, overshadowed by the reckless acts of the few. But some people are backing them! Astonishing.

The thread is the most depressing indictment of the left I've seen for a while, and it's up against some stiff competition.

Pretty much this. Well said Livia.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

I'm quite disgusted at this thread. How people can justify this pathetic riot is amazing, but not wholly unexpected. I remember "protestors" throwing a fire extinguisher from the top of Tory HQ, luckily it didn't kill anyone but it was an extreme act of violence and yet people were still saying they had a point.

Don't like the result of the election? Let's riot, and some people who didn't get the election result they wanted will back us. I wonder how many of those rioters have a job? I'm guessing not many. And sadly for the people who went along to peacefully protest - because even if I don't agree with them I do uphold their right to peaceful protest - their message has been lost on the majority, overshadowed by the reckless acts of the few. But some people are backing them! Astonishing.

The thread is the most depressing indictment of the left I've seen for a while, and it's up against some stiff competition.

Nothing to say about Kirk describing how he would like to shoot people or see them gunned down? Nothing at all Livia? ...Not a peep? No?

Thought not.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Nothing to say about Kirk describing how he would like to shoot people or see them gunned down? Nothing at all Livia? ...Not a peep? No?

Thought not.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Nothing to say about Kirk describing how he would like to shoot people or see them gunned down? Nothing at all Livia? ...Not a peep? No?

Thought not.

Again the focus is being dragged away from the point which is obviously less about the party and more about the austerity cuts.
Which is the objective of the media to whip up some smokescreen to obscure the facts.... aren't they doing well?

[Jemal]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Again the focus is being dragged away from the point which is obviously less about the party and more about the austerity cuts.
Which is the objective of the media to whip up some smokescreen to obscure the facts.... aren't they doing well?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Nothing to say about Kirk describing how he would like to shoot people or see them gunned down? Nothing at all Livia? ...Not a peep? No?

Thought not.

I agree.
That was an unbelievable statement to make.

An equally totally wrong comment but chosen to be avoided while eagerly making another dig at those on the left.