[Crimson Dynamo]

as far as i saw the man on the bus was a drunk mentalist as for the second incident you are attributing it with zero evidence. random attacks happen every day in the UK.

Like this one in May

Horrific moment convicted Polish rapist BEATS stranger after being in Britain for TWO DAYS

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/671...n-for-TWO-DAYS

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

as far as i saw the man on the bus was a drunk mentalist as for the second incident you are attributing it with zero evidence. random attacks happen every day in the UK.

Like this one in May

Horrific moment convicted Polish rapist BEATS stranger after being in Britain for TWO DAYS

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/671...n-for-TWO-DAYS

"Random" attacks happened to TWO non-UK nationals who I know personally within less than a week of the referendum, both with "get out of our country" messages, despite neither of them having ever been attacked before.

You're living in a dangerously blinkered fantasy, that's all I can say.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

"Random" attacks happened to TWO non-UK nationals who I know personally within less than a week of the referendum, both with "get out of our country" messages, despite neither of them having ever been attacked before.

You're living in a dangerously blinkered fantasy, that's all I can say.

i would imagine there were more violent attacks following Englands defeat to Iceland tbh - imo

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

i would imagine there were more violent attacks following Englands defeat to Iceland tbh - imo

I can see that this is another "Kate McCann" situation for you LT, meaning that there's not really much point discussing it.

[Alf]

We have laws to deal with these people.

Stop flaming the fires.

[Tom4784]

The Police have revealed that the rate of reported hate crime is five times higher than it was before the referendum with a police chief suspecting that the number would be significantly higher if you countered unreported issues since it's not a crime that gets reported a lot.

I'm sure this increase in racist incidents that began just after the referendum has NOTHING AT ALL to do with the Referendum....

[billy123]

This sums it up pretty well for me.

(Some bad Language so if you are a sensitive flower dont ****ing watch it)

Youtube video

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by bobnot

This sums it up pretty well for me.

(Some bad Language so if you are a sensitive flower dont ****ing watch it)

Youtube video

Now that was refreshing ty

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by bobnot

This sums it up pretty well for me.

(Some bad Language so if you are a sensitive flower dont ****ing watch it)

Youtube video

WOW - He absolutely NAILS it. "The working Classes made the difference" One in the eye for the pro-EU 'Labour Party' and their false 'socialism', AND for all the deluded Labour supporters who 'toed the party line' and voted 'Remain' thinking that the Federalist anti-democratic, elitist, EU did not PREY on the working classes and most vulnerable, steal their money, and divert into the already swollen coffers of the corporations and top 10% elite.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by bobnot

This sums it up pretty well for me.

(Some bad Language so if you are a sensitive flower dont ****ing watch it)

Youtube video

[_Tom_]

Originally Posted by bobnot

This sums it up pretty well for me.

(Some bad Language so if you are a sensitive flower dont ****ing watch it)

Youtube video

Love that

[user104658]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

WOW - He absolutely NAILS it.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Originally Posted by _Tom_

Love that

Guys you do understand that he's saying what I've been saying all week, right? That the austerity+capitalism focused far right Tories have duped a gullible and disenfranchised working class into voting out of the EU, and in doing so, those very people have placed themselves at the mercy of undiluted, full on Tory austerity and cruelty?

Yes he's saying to stop the petty squabbling... But he's saying "Stop it, you're going to need your strength, because you have left yourself at the mercy of the worst and least caring politicians this country has to offer".

You're all clapping an absolutely massive anti-Brexit rant... And not just that... A doomsday rant. You know. The sort of thing you've been laughing at all week?

Very confused.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Guys you do understand that he's saying what I've been saying all week, right? That the austerity+capitalism focused far right Tories have duped a gullible and disenfranchised working class into voting out of the EU, and in doing so, those very people have placed themselves at the mercy of undiluted, full on Tory austerity and cruelty?

Yes he's saying to stop the petty squabbling... But he's saying "Stop it, you're going to need your strength, because you have left yourself at the mercy of the worst and least caring politicians this country has to offer".

You're all clapping an absolutely massive anti-Brexit rant... And not just that... A doomsday rant. You know. The sort of thing you've been laughing at all week?

Very confused.

He clearly was a remainer but that wasn't the point of his video.

quote "Yes, there were thousands of horrible racist, bigoted stupid twats in this countr but to accuse 17.5 million people outright of bigotry and stupidity. If you do that you shut the argument down; if you refuse to engage in argument you will lose the argument. This anger and blame is being misdirected"

quote "Its time to stop moping about, stop signing meaningless petitions and stop hurling insults"

quote "Why are old people allowed to vote?
Why are people who live outside London allowed to vote?
why are white men who read the Daily Mail allowed to vote"
Because that's democracy and if you don't like it then fcuk off and go and live in North Korea"

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

He clearly was a remainer but that wasn't the point of his video.

quote "Yes, there were thousands of horrible racist, bigoted stupid twats in this countr but to accuse 17.5 million people outright of bigotry and stupidity. If you do that you shut the argument down; if you refuse to engage in argument you will lose the argument. This anger and blame is being misdirected"

quote "Its time to stop moping about, stop signing meaningless petitions and stop hurling insults"

quote "Why are old people allowed to vote?
Why are people who live outside London allowed to vote?
why are white men who read the Daily Mail allowed to vote"
Because that's democracy and if you don't like it then fcuk off and go and live in North Korea"

EXACTLY.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by bobnot

This sums it up pretty well for me.

(Some bad Language so if you are a sensitive flower dont ****ing watch it)

Youtube video

One of his best this

[user104658]

Except that no one has ever realistically accused all 17 million leave voters of being racists, and I haven't seen anyone actually suggest that subsections of society should be banned from voting either.

This applause seems very cherry picked. When he says that people need to stop moaning and petitioning etc. he's certainly not saying the same thing that most people are (which is essentially "put up and shut up that's Democracy")... He's saying wake up and change your focus, Britain has been DAMAGED by this vote, and if people don't rally themselves now they're going to be blind-sided by some of the worst politicians, potentially one of the worst governments, that this country has known in modern times. I'm amazed that people are managing to skim over this, pick out and applaud the minor parts of what he's saying that they happen to like ("yay! He's telling them to quit whining!") whilst somehow completely overlooking the bulk of his reasoning and argument.

I agree with everything he says; the only difference being that I don't see much point in wasting time and energy "rallying our strength" now because the sh*t-train we're on can't be stopped, slowed down or redirected. We're on it to the end of the line now. Choo choo!

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Except that no one has ever realistically accused all 17 million leave voters of being racists, and I haven't seen anyone actually suggest that subsections of society should be banned from voting either.

This applause seems very cherry picked. When he says that people need to stop moaning and petitioning etc. he's certainly not saying the same thing that most people are (which is essentially "put up and shut up that's Democracy")... He's saying wake up and change your focus, Britain has been DAMAGED by this vote, and if people don't rally themselves now they're going to be blind-sided by some of the worst politicians, potentially one of the worst governments, that this country has known in modern times. I'm amazed that people are managing to skim over this, pick out and applaud the minor parts of what he's saying that they happen to like ("yay! He's telling them to quit whining!") whilst somehow completely overlooking the bulk of his reasoning and argument.

I agree with everything he says; the only difference being that I don't see much point in wasting time and energy "rallying our strength" now because the sh*t-train we're on can't be stopped, slowed down or redirected. We're on it to the end of the line now. Choo choo!

..yeah, it's a 'be careful what you wish for' type thing really in saying that there are not going to be any 'winners' here that he can see../which is a vein of thought of many, I think...the only thing that I could add really to what you've said is that ..(and I agree with him that it only 'shuts down' these feelings of racial prejudice etc..)... then he's more or less advocating in 'shutting down', himself of almost half the population and their heightened fears and emotions right now...you can't really get much more shutting down than put up or shut up, tbh....

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Except that no one has ever realistically accused all 17 million leave voters of being racists, and I haven't seen anyone actually suggest that subsections of society should be banned from voting either.

This applause seems very cherry picked. When he says that people need to stop moaning and petitioning etc. he's certainly not saying the same thing that most people are (which is essentially "put up and shut up that's Democracy")... He's saying wake up and change your focus, Britain has been DAMAGED by this vote, and if people don't rally themselves now they're going to be blind-sided by some of the worst politicians, potentially one of the worst governments, that this country has known in modern times. I'm amazed that people are managing to skim over this, pick out and applaud the minor parts of what he's saying that they happen to like ("yay! He's telling them to quit whining!") whilst somehow completely overlooking the bulk of his reasoning and argument.

I agree with everything he says; the only difference being that I don't see much point in wasting time and energy "rallying our strength" now because the sh*t-train we're on can't be stopped, slowed down or redirected. We're on it to the end of the line now. Choo choo!

What he was saying is, although he didn’t vote brexit, he understands why people did.
One of his quotes… “The remain argument was, “stay as we are OR risk uncertainty” If you’ve got nothing, why would you vote to stay as you are? At least with uncertainty there’s some hope that things might change. If I was in that position I would take uncertainty over nothing and why have they got nothing? Because austerity has systematically taken from the poorest in this country until they’ve got nothing left.”

He understands both sides and I think a lot of us understand both sides. He’s also saying, in a very frustrated way, lets march forward with what we’ve got because if we don’t, the Tory’s are going to take advantage of this and I agree.

[arista]

The Poor Voted Out of EU

Thats is there Fecking Right



There are some Criminals - that need to be arrested
as they break our RACE LAWS

[user104658]

He specifically states that people he believes exploited that uncertainty and people's vulnerability to their own dishonest ends. He's very clear that he thinks people were wrong to think that this will make things better, and that they have doomed themselves to ever-harsher austerity under even worse people.

So far he is 100% correct, just look at the monsters looming on the hill now.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

He specifically states that people he believes exploited that uncertainty and people's vulnerability to their own dishonest ends. He's very clear that he thinks people were wrong to think that this will make things better, and that they have doomed themselves to ever-harsher austerity under even worse people.

So far he is 100% correct, just look at the monsters looming on the hill now.

Nobody is disputing that but he’s also saying, lets stop this divide. Its a message to all of us, not just the remain voters.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Nobody is disputing that but he’s also saying, lets stop this divide. Its a message to all of us, not just the remain voters.

True, and then we can usher in a new era of fairness and social justice.

... Can anyone even say it with a straight face?

[Ammi]

..it's a message that's very ill-timed though and when he talks or fake rants about 'engaging people', then it's the timing of that engagement as well that's extremely relevant..it's the right 'listening time' also and actually probably the most important thing with 'messages'...yes, we don't have any chance of moving forward into anything that could possible bring any types of positive unless we move forward together.../a nation divided is the worst possible part of this outcome/how close the vote was....but it's essentially like a period of mourning of a separation atm..our 'marriage' to the EU as it's been described...and that has many things that many people need to feel and not be 'shut down' from feeling atm, these are the natural processes that are needed to enable any 'moving on' to be a possibility at all.... 'putting up and shutting up' as he's advocating basically, will only delay the process, not accelerate it....

[Tom4784]

As ever, TS is completely right.

It's funny that people are applauding that video when it's basically condemning them for choosing to leave.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

As ever, TS is completely right.

It's funny that people are applauding that video when it's basically condemning them for choosing to leave.

That’s what you choose to see Dezzy, its not what I see.

Ammi has got this right. He said all the right things but possibly at the wrong time. I never thought of this as a period of mourning Ammi but you’re right.
Here’s me thinking we just need to get on with things now but perhaps I’m being too impatient.

I’ve spent the last week laying low on here because there are too many people who seem to be gleeful about the clusterfcuk going on. I didn’t expect Cameron to resign because he told his nation he wouldn’t but then went back on his word. I didn’t expect the left, who had a fantastic opportunity, would turn on Corbyn and bring the Labour party into disrepute but I did expect the stock market would fall, that we probably would be faced with QE and we would all be hitting the bunkers for a while.

I'm sick to death of people wallowing in the results and rubbing salt into wounds but I'm equally sickened by the ‘sky is falling in’ brigade who seriously want this country to fall apart. Frankly, this forum group has become trapped in a tit for tat war of words. Its a shame but it is what it is and so for the time being I'll be opting out of any further discussions on here re-brexit.