[Twosugars]

SNP triumphs in Scotland

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

That I'm not surprised at you voting for brexit party
What else did you expect it to mean?

Well I voted to leave the EU so of course I would vote them

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

To write off vast swathes of the public as being uninformed is a bit ignorant tbh. There are plenty of people out there who know loads about the EU and still want out, while there are also people who know next to nothing about it and want to remain. And vice versa on both counts, obviously.

Plus, this is a democracy. I can't imagine "Joanna and Michael" could tell us much about the front bench of their chosen party during a general election, but fortunately for us all, you don't have to sit an exam before voting.

A party that refused to divulge their policies or plans literally won the most seats. People voted for a party that they didn't know anything about other than it's name. Are you really gonna clutch your pearls over what I said when the proof is right there?

Do you not know what uninformed means? Because voting for something that you don't know anything about is pretty uninformed.

[Mitchell]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

A party that refused to divulge their policies or plans literally won the most seats. People voted for a party that they didn't know anything about other than it's name. Are you really gonna clutch your pearls over what I said when the proof is right there?

Do you not know what uninformed means? Because voting for something that you don't know anything about is pretty uninformed.

[Headie]

Ddd

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Hayden

Ddd

That hag gloating about him losing when he actually won, oop.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

SNP triumphs in Scotland

3 MEP's for the SNP (projected)

28 New MEP's for the Brexit Party

Across England and Wales.


Pathetic Change UK never got any seats.

[bitontheslide]

The anti brexit vote was larger than the brexit vote, so I don't see how the brexit party dominated .... i thought the BBC coverage was ridiculous

[arista]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

The anti brexit vote was larger than the brexit vote, so I don't see how the brexit party dominated .... i thought the BBC coverage was ridiculous

They Got the Most MEP's 28




Then

Lib Dems 15
Labour 10
Green 7
Conservatives 3
SNP 3
Plaid Cymru 1
Change UK 0
UKIP 0

[Alf]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

The anti brexit vote was larger than the brexit vote, so I don't see how the brexit party dominated .... i thought the BBC coverage was ridiculous

The Brexit party is a one issue party at the moment, so it's fairly certain that everybody who voted for them, voted because they wanted to leave the EU.


Lib Dem and Greens will have got some of their votes from people who always vote Lib Dem or Green, and the EU exit might not be their reason for voting, they might not have even voted in the referendum, or it's possible they even voted to leave.

What we do know is the Brexit vote actually won. As it did in the 2016 referendum.

Of course the establishment remoaners which includes the mainstream media, is gonna spin it the way you have, it's in their interests to do so.

[arista]

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by arista

They Got the Most MEP's 28
all NEW



Then

Lib Dems 15
Labour 10
Green 7
Conservatives 3
SNP 3
Plaid Cymru 1
Change UK 0
UKIP 0

They werent all new, most were transferred from ukip

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Alf

The Brexit party is a one issue party at the moment, so it's fairly certain that everybody who voted for them, voted because they wanted to leave the EU.


Lib Dem and Greens will have got some of their votes from people who always vote Lib Dem or Green, and the EU exit might not be their reason for voting, they might not have even voted in the referendum, or it's possible they even voted to leave.

What we do know is the Brexit vote actually won. As it did in the 2016 referendum.

Of course the establishment remoaners which includes the mainstream media, is gonna spin it the way you have, it's in their interests to do so.

not true, the lib dems message was bollocks to brexit, and people voted green, the snp, change uk to stop brexit.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by arista

3

that's not many

thats blatant rubbish, did you watch the coverage Arista? UKIP seats transferred to the brexit party in most regions. Yes, the brexit party increased their share by about 7% compared to UKIP, but that was the extent of it.

UKIP had 24 seats at the last election, the brexit party have now got 28

[Alf]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

not true, the lib dems message was bollocks to brexit, and people voted green, the snp, change uk to stop brexit.

And that's why they did better than usual, but what I'm saying is, you can't say that every vote they received was because they wanted to remain in the EU, some of their voters would have voted on other issues. Where you can with the Brexit Party say it was 1 issue.

[arista]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

thats blatant rubbish, did you watch the coverage Arista? UKIP seats transferred to the brexit party in most regions. Yes, the brexit party increased their share by about 7% compared to UKIP, but that was the extent of it.

UKIP had 24 seats at the last election, the brexit party have now got 28

OK all New
edited out


But the Brexit Party is still the Top of the list

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

SNP triumphs in Scotland

Did very well, it looks like a one party state.


So now it's the SNP. the socialists, who just happen to be nationalists.

National socialists

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Alf

And that's why they did better than usual, but what I'm saying is, you can't say that every vote they received was because they wanted to remain in the EU, some of their voters would have voted on other issues. Where you can with the Brexit Party say it was 1 issue.

Arista just did that with Labour

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by arista

OK all New
edited out


But the Brexit Party is still the Top of the list

Only because the rest are split lets be honest, and Brexiteers were out in force voting for their new party, in a 2nd ref remain would win that is clear and its been clear for a while which is why Brexiteers run scared when anyone mentions it and start puttering on about democracy

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Only because the rest are split lets be honest, in a 2nd ref remain would win that is clear

We do have a joke thread somewhere.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Alf

We do have a joke thread somewhere.

yes we must put Tommy flopping in it

[bitontheslide]

we all already knew that the tory's were going to get stuffed last night, but labour got battered, particularly in Scotland. If there were a GE now like Corbyn is demanding, labour and the tories would get smashed with the Brexit party, lib dems and the greens fighting it out between them.

The tories have the opportunity to do something with the election of their new leader, what are labour going to do? The labour reps last night seemed in complete disarray

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

The anti brexit vote was larger than the brexit vote, so I don't see how the brexit party dominated .... i thought the BBC coverage was ridiculous

This is true.
All we have is that small split still in the UK, this time marginally the other way, on a really much smaller turnout too.
An increase on the local elections.

This could have been interesting had this been a contest between say the Brexit party and say Lib Dems or other designated remain party.
None of the actual Labour votes given here would have gone to the Brexit party.

For me, its a disintegration of UKIP votes transferring to the Brexit party.
With a small number of disenchanted Conservative and Labour votes added.

The bulk of Conservative and Labour votes crossing to the stronger for remain parties, Lib Dem and Green.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Only because the rest are split lets be honest, and Brexiteers were out in force voting for their new party, in a 2nd ref remain would win that is clear and its been clear for a while which is why Brexiteers run scared when anyone mentions it and start puttering on about democracy

Yes the Labour Party.


But for a 6 weeks start up
they now the UK Biggest Party in the EU


Change UK with proper British MP's
got No MEP's they failed 100%

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Only because the rest are split lets be honest, and Brexiteers were out in force voting for their new party, in a 2nd ref remain would win that is clear and its been clear for a while which is why Brexiteers run scared when anyone mentions it and start puttering on about democracy

Actually until last nights result,.
I wasn't sure remain would win a 2nd referendum or even wanted one myself.

However I agree with you, on all you've said above.
This less than 40% turnout still failed to give the pro brexit parties, one under the louder mouth of Farage, over 50% of the votes cast.

The splintered remain supporting votes matter since those votes will never go to pro brexit parties.
I think you are right a new referendum would likely result in a remain vote.
Certainly however a solid vote against any no deal Brexit.

It would be a massive slap in the face to the bulk of the UK, those who vote and can't yet vote, if that is now ignored by any new leader of the Conservatives.

For my current party, Labour, they must now come out for a new referendum.
If it doesn't, I will need to think where I am as to politics now.