[Marsh.]

Yes Jigs. Very articulate post there. Thank you.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

So now ugly people is a bigger problem than racism.

Attractive people have easier lives all round - more likely to be hired, a deeper dating pool - while ethnicity doesn't touch either of tbese things.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

So now ugly people is a bigger problem than racism.

Surely an ugly racist is worst of all?

[Jigs]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Attractive people have easier lives all round - more likely to be hired, a deeper dating pool - while ethnicity doesn't touch either of tbese things.

Ethnic minorities are more likely to be falsely imprisoned.
Ethnic minorities are more likely to fall into a cyclical poverty trap.
Ethnic minorities are more likely to be labelled terrorists.

Are ugly people?

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Jigs

I think some fans of RTV tend to root less for the pale stale male not because they are punishing straight white men for being what they are not, but because they are choosing to focus their energy on celebrating minorities for what they are. Rooting for non-white ethnic minorities and members of the LGBTQ+ community serves to praise them for what they are and to act in opposition to the INDISPUTABLE FACT that they face a harder trajectory in life than the pale stale male, regardless of overt, spoken racism or not.

Even if you believe you are not racist yourself, you can't deny these problems exist. To selfishly and passive-aggressively complain that a straight white man is not supported as much as a gay black woman is just ignoring the fact that straight white men get a way easier ride in LIFE so I think the least you can do is allow people to root for who they want on a Reality TV show. I said in another thread the other day that I certainly don't think we need every show to have black winners or gay winners in order to be enjoyable shows. However, it would be nice to see once in a while considering it would prove some degree of progression in how minority groups are perceived by the masses.

Processes of othering against ethnic minorities have always been and continue to be detrimental to how they perceive themselves and assimilate comfortably in a very male-driven, white-driven society. Using dichotomous approaches to separate an "us" from a "them" is the exact reason why there is still a need to celebrate and uplift and root for women who are black, for example, because they don't often get a fair shot. Gay men, black men, trans women, etc. are constantly subjected to experience the discrepancy between their authentic selves and the "self" that is demanded of them by the rest of society in order to be normal, to be liked, to be a success.

If people focused more energy into actually understanding their privilege fully they would surely not see an issue with terms such as pale stale male. Personally, as a white man myself I find that term much, MUCH less damaging/offensive than terms such as "aggressive black woman", "black criminal", "ladyboy" or "f*ggot".

...wonderful post, Jigs.....

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...I didn’t ‘randomly’ post anything...in the post above, you had directly quoted my post with the response of..’have we, I don’t believe that..’...you made a thread to discuss something because you say that you were very upset and yet you’re very selective with who you want a discussion with...you feel somehow ‘dismissed’, while you dismiss others who are offering their views...I find that ironic and it wasn’t randomly posted, as you know...I hope you got satisfaction out of saying that I was being nasty...I hope it gives you a real feel good...and I hope it’s the release and contentment that you were obviously hoping for...we’ve nothing more to say to each other, you’ve made that perfectly obvious at every opportunity that you possibly could...

...oh by the by...(..and speaking of ‘nasty’...)...and very off topic...if you could do a Secret Santa for Liam, rather than the nasty ‘high horse’ comment...something in the actual spirit of Secret Santa, which you asked to be a part of...that would be lovely ...and the right thing to do, because he deserves it, I’m sure you’ll agree...

He can have a sick bag to deal with your ott niceness.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by parmnion

He can have a sick bag to deal with your ott niceness.

...I guess that takes us full circle back to another irony, then...Liam has done nothing but be a respectful and thoughtful poster in his whole time on TiBB and yet you chose a ‘gift’ to mock him...a very definition of ‘nasty’, I would say...but you obviously have a certain sense of feel good about doing that and of venting your hatefulness to me...

[Ammi]

...oh and by the by, parmy...just one last thing, because it’s Christmas ...so a little ‘gift’ for you, if you like...I’m sure it’ll be deleted, so you’ll have to grab it quickly if you want to keep it...I did not in any way engineer to fix Most Love for the winner to have won, as accused...I was not a part of Most Love in any way whatsoever...(..other than voting as a regular forum member..)....my ‘crime’, as it were...is that I would not be part of anyone’s relentless hatefulness in singling out and bullying a member of this forum....how ‘nasty’ is that...Merry Christmas...

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Swan

See on the grand scheme of things this is one of the biggest problems we face, if we don't agree with another's opinion it's deemed 'fake' and/or dismissed. It's the 'we're accepting of every one, peace to the world, we are all equal...but if you don't agree with my opinion then you're wrong, a idiot, you don't count' attitude. This seems to be a growing trend particularly in some left wing circles, and it goes against every thing the left should, and did once stand for...Hence why so many life long Labour votes went Conservative this time round.

Yes it seems if you go against the grain of the people on the left you are a bit thick , stupid and don't know what your on about , they know best of course that's why the Labour party etc were the biggest losers on the 12th.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

So now ugly people is a bigger problem than racism.

Uggo Lives Matter

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

So now ugly people is a bigger problem than racism.

people are really clutching at straws

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...oh and by the by, parmy...just one last thing, because it’s Christmas ...so a little ‘gift’ for you, if you like...I’m sure it’ll be deleted, so you’ll have to grab it quickly if you want to keep it...I did not in any way engineer to fix Most Love for the winner to have won, as accused...I was not a part of Most Love in any way whatsoever...(..other than voting as a regular forum member..)....my ‘crime’, as it were...is that I would not be part of anyone’s relentless hatefulness in singling out and bullying a member of this forum....how ‘nasty’ is that...Merry Christmas...

Not sure why you have posted this at me as I have no idea what you are ranting about...but merry Xmas to you to...now of you pop and tell someone how wonderful they are...again and again and again.

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Jigs

Ethnic minorities are more likely to be falsely imprisoned.
Ethnic minorities are more likely to fall into a cyclical poverty trap.
Ethnic minorities are more likely to be labelled terrorists.

Are ugly people?

1. World wide, yes probably. I've not seen the statistics for the UK.
2. No, not in this day and age. I would say that's about equal, in the UK anyway.
3. Well if we're honest yes, and that's because ethnic minorities are more likely to commit terrorist acts in the UK.

(please bare in mind im addressing the UK )

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Swan

1. World wide, yes probably. I've not seen the statistics for the UK.

2. No, not in this day and age. I would say that's about equal, in the UK anyway.

3. Well if we're honest yes, and that's because ethnic minorities are more likely to commit terrorist acts in the UK.



(please bare in mind im addressing the UK )

Christ, do you not see the ignorance in your own posts? You're one of the problematic people who are holding us back.

[arista]

Crazy LGBT folks

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

Christ, do you not see the ignorance in your own posts? You're one of the problematic people who are holding us back.

What's your argument then Jessica? Because i've read back the thread and you haven't really made any valid points, you just seem to be going against opinions you don't agree with.

edit -

False imprisonment is up for debate in the UK.
Poverty in the UK doesn't care about race nowadays.
Asians and British Asians are statistically more likely to commit terrorist acts in the UK. (this isn't my opinion, it's fact)

[Jigs]

Originally Posted by arista

Crazy LGBT folks

What I find
crazier is
your style of
typing. It's almost as if
you
don't
have a grasp
on literacy or language,
so therefore,
Do not comment on issues
that are beyond your reach
of understanding.

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Swan

What's your argument then Jessica? Because i've read back the thread and you haven't really made any valid points, you just seem to be going against opinions you don't agree with.

I don't agree with them because they are wrong. I am aware of the world around me and it's not the wonderland that so many people are making it out to be. Straight white cis men are the most privileged people in our countries and even though they face some issues of their own it is not because they are straight white cis men or spotty or ugly. Other people without that privilege are hard done by BECAUSE they are black or Asian or gay or trans. It is completely different and nobody should ever say it's not happening. Is it all in the heads of everyone who is aware of it? Why do you think people are disagreeing? For the laugh? This isn't a funny topic, it's serious and real. I'm stating what I know is the truth, it's not an opinion.

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Jigs

What I find

crazier is

your style of

typing. It's almost as if

you

don't

have a grasp

on literacy or language,

so therefore,

Do not comment on issues

that are beyond your reach

of understanding.

He uses a speech to text program which causes his posts to be formatted like that. It's still annoying though.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

I don't agree with them because they are wrong. I am aware of the world around me and it's not the wonderland that so many people are making it out to be. Straight white cis men are the most privileged people in our countries and even though they face some issues of their own it is not because they are straight white cis men or spotty or ugly. Other people without that privilege are hard done by BECAUSE they are black or Asian or gay or trans. It is completely different and nobody should ever say it's not happening. Is it all in the heads of everyone who is aware of it? Why do you think people are disagreeing? For the laugh? This isn't a funny topic, it's serious and real. I'm stating what I know is the truth, it's not an opinion.

So which part of this do you disagree with:

Originally Posted by Swan

What's your argument then Jessica? Because i've read back the thread and you haven't really made any valid points, you just seem to be going against opinions you don't agree with.

edit -

False imprisonment is up for debate in the UK.
Poverty in the UK doesn't care about race nowadays.
Asians and British Asians are statistically more likely to commit terrorist acts in the UK. (this isn't my opinion, it's fact)

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

I don't agree with them because they are wrong. I am aware of the world around me and it's not the wonderland that so many people are making it out to be. Straight white cis men are the most privileged people in our countries and even though they face some issues of their own it is not because they are straight white cis men or spotty or ugly. Other people without that privilege are hard done by BECAUSE they are black or Asian or gay or trans. It is completely different and nobody should ever say it's not happening. Is it all in the heads of everyone who is aware of it? Why do you think people are disagreeing? For the laugh? This isn't a funny topic, it's serious and real. I'm stating what I know is the truth, it's not an opinion.

I don't really know what you mean by 'cis' but moving on. Have i said once that some black people don't face struggles because they're black? Same with Asians, same with gay people, with trans people? No!

Your hatred of 'straight white cis men' is very telling (and by the tone of your post it's pretty deep seeded). A straight man, black, white, asian will not face homophobic abuse, i agree. However a white man can be racially abused, as can a black man, as can an asian man.

Do you dismiss black racism against asians , and vice versa? (which is more common than people like to admit). Do you dismiss the good people do, white, black, gay, straight? Your opinion is that a straight white male is privileged in a way that they can't sympathise with those who face abuse because of colour and sexuality which simply isn't true.

Again it goes back to the 'well f u, you're white, straight and male, you're the enemy' argument which is rather draconian, ill informed and a very dangerous mind set to adopt.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Jigs

What I find
crazier is
your style of
typing. It's almost as if
you
don't
have a grasp
on literacy or language,
so therefore,
Do not comment on issues
that are beyond your reach
of understanding.

A Style of Writing is not a problem
it's what you say that matters.

[arista]

Happy Baby

[bots]

so nice to see the spirit of christmas in action

[Jigs]

Originally Posted by arista

A Style of Writing is not a problem
it's what you say that matters.

Yet all you had to say was "Crazy LGBT folk". How very empathetic and progressive of you.