[bots]

it's actually very difficult to shoot someone when they are not right beside you, it takes effort

[user104658]

I agree on principle that custodial sentences should be for violent crime or people who have been criminal in a way that presents a clear ongoing danger to the public... However I also don't think he's innocent just because it was unintentional. I'd prefer the consequences (for crime in general) to be more creative than "stick em in jail" though.

Baldwin for example, prison or no prison, IMO should not be allowed around firearms ever again. Including on movie/TV sets. If the job requires an environment where there are live guns - tough, he can't do it. Full stop.

That said beyond that I'd advocate live firearms not being on ANY TV or film set in the first place. Prop guns and effects only. The risk is not worth it just to make it "slightly more authentic" - realistically, no one actually notices if it was a real gunshot, so there's no reason for a real gun.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

I agree on principle that custodial sentences should be for violent crime or people who have been criminal in a way that presents a clear ongoing danger to the public... However I also don't think he's innocent just because it was unintentional. I'd prefer the consequences (for crime in general) to be more creative than "stick em in jail" though.

Baldwin for example, prison or no prison, IMO should not be allowed around firearms ever again. Including on movie/TV sets. If the job requires an environment where there are live guns - tough, he can't do it. Full stop.

That said beyond that I'd advocate live firearms not being on ANY TV or film set in the first place. Prop guns and effects only. The risk is not worth it just to make it "slightly more authentic" - realistically, no one actually notices if it was a real gunshot, so there's no reason for a real gun.

I do agree with a lot of your points here tbh, especially the part about live firearms not really needed to create an immersive Western.

[bots]

lets also not forget that Baldwin was the film producer. The person ultimately responsible for the safety of staff on the set

[AnnieK]

Agree with Livia. Anyone handling a gun should check the chamber and if in doubt the weapon should not be discharged.

At the end of the day a woman has lost her life at the hands of Bladwin. Whether he meant it or not there is a family grieving a woman who lost her life at work and it shouldn't have happened

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Agree with Livia. Anyone handling a gun should check the chamber and if in doubt the weapon should not be discharged.

At the end of the day a woman has lost her life at the hands of Bladwin. Whether he meant it or not there is a family grieving a woman who lost her life at work and it shouldn't have happened

I just think he would have had so much on his mind at the time of the scene - it just wouldn’t cross your mind that it was possibly a live gun .

Has this ever happened in the last 100 years ?


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[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Zizu

I just think he would have had so much on his mind at the time of the scene - it just wouldn’t cross your mind that it was possibly a live gun .

Has this ever happened in the last 100 years ?


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Well maybe they should stop using real guns on set then ....If they can't even do proper checks . Health and safety should always be their priority, otherwise what's the point.

[Livia]

Actors haven't just died because of gunfire in set. They've died by drowning, falling from a horse, aeroplane crashes, car crashes... You can't ban them all. Safety training is the way, I think, to minimise the risks.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Well maybe they should stop using real guns on set then ....If they can't even do proper checks . Health and safety should always be their priority, otherwise what's the point.

I honestly have no idea why they would have real guns in a film studio in the first place !


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[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Zizu

I honestly have no idea why they would have real guns in a film studio in the first place !


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They'll probably argue it's for 'realism' , but then they should make sure only blanks are used & fired .

[AnnieK]

Brandon Lee was shot on set and died making The Crow.

If a member of my family were shot in the course of their work, I would want everyone who had responsibility for their safety at work to face consequences

Having too much on their mind would not be an excuse for me I'm afraid.

It is a tragedy but accountability needs to be taken

[arista]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Brandon Lee was shot on set and died making The Crow.

If a member of my family were shot in the course of their work, I would want everyone who had responsibility for their safety at work to face consequences

Having too much on their mind would not be an excuse for me I'm afraid.

It is a tragedy but accountability needs to be taken

Yes, another Massive Error.
He had a great future

[Livia]

Like @AnnieK says, Brandon Lee died on set. He died because the gun was emptied of cartridges but no one checked the barrel. A round his misfired and lodged in the barrel. Consequently, when it was loaded with a blank and fired, there was enough power to fire the lodged bullet. Similarly, in 1984, Actor Jon-Erik Hexum held a blank-loaded pistol against his head and fired, pretending to play Russian roulette. The power of the blank round was enough to blow a piece of his skull into his brain and he died. Everyone handling firearms, whether loaded with blanks or unloaded, should be checked and checked again and everyone on a set should understand the dangers.

[AnnieK]

It's standard practice when handling firearms. My son is in the army cadets. They get to shoot weapons and prior to being able to even step foot inside the range, they had to study and pass a weapons handling test. This included checking the chamber and never, ever pointing a gun at anyone that hasn't been checked.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

It's standard practice when handling firearms. My son is in the army cadets. They get to shoot weapons and prior to being able to even step foot inside the range, they had to study and pass a weapons handling test. This included checking the chamber and never, ever pointing a gun at anyone that hasn't been checked.

I bet he'll never forget that training either.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Livia

I bet he'll never forget that training either.

I don't think he will. Its drilled into them. He loves it though and has given him more respect for guns

[user104658]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

It's standard practice when handling firearms. My son is in the army cadets. They get to shoot weapons and prior to being able to even step foot inside the range, they had to study and pass a weapons handling test. This included checking the chamber and never, ever pointing a gun at anyone that hasn't been checked.

Gosh that's new(ish) I was in the ATC and we absolutely did not have tests. We probably should have to be fair, as there was a incident where another cadet loaded his rifle while people were down range (I was one of them) and - I swear to god - I have never heard someone go off like that instructor. Kid probably still has PTSD.

But yeah the had us firing low-caliber rifles on the first week with no safety training whatsoever

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Gosh that's new(ish) I was in the ATC and we absolutely did not have tests. We probably should have to be fair, as there was a incident where another cadet loaded his rifle while people were down range (I was one of them) and - I swear to god - I have never heard someone go off like that instructor. Kid probably still has PTSD.

But yeah the had us firing low-caliber rifles on the first week with no safety training whatsoever

Yeah...they had a shooting camp recently and had to do the WHT in detachment before they went and then again at camp.

I was a nervous wreck but he loved it.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Yeah...they had a shooting camp recently and had to do the WHT in detachment before they went and then again at camp.

I was a nervous wreck but he loved it.

We just had an indoor rifle range on site that we could more or less use when we wanted, the main thing they worried about was the price of ammo . That would have been around 1997-2001ish... Good old 90's health and safety...

[arista]

Live now on SkyNewsHD

9AM Court Feed Santa Fe


Strict Lady Judge
just said no jury can google this case.

Alec Baldwin has his Glasses on.


Lady Lawyer
now attacking Alec.

She stated "Tight Budget" was on the Film.

[arista]

The Attacking Lawyer
said the Replica Gun maker
stated the prop gun was in working order

https://news.sky.com/story/alec-bald...-know-13175108


Live Feed now CNN HD on UK Feed

[arista]

Amazing they playing
clips from the Movie

ON CNN HD

Alec Baldwins Lawyer
saying he was acting

The Lady they set the Gun up
is guilty.

Not him.

[Maru]

I watched the Hannah Guiterrez Reed trial in full. Listening to this when I can while waiting for power post hurricane.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Maru

I watched the Hannah Guiterrez Reed trial in full. Listening to this when I can while waiting for power post hurricane.

I'd be very interested to hear your take on it, Maru.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Livia

I'd be very interested to hear your take on it, Maru.

I couldn't catch all of it for the obvious. But I think going back to follow back up on past 3 days will be good. If for anything, as a general PSA for how not to conduct oneself in front of a judge. Baldwin's facial impressions and demeanor made my skin crawl as he stomped off at one point when jury was out of room during a reading. Even though I think he deserves some kind of punishment for his behavior with regards to firearms safety, it will need to be civil or karmic. The judge, imo, has been fair but firm in both trials. More curious now if Hannahs will be overturned, which I think is highly likely.