[farhad]

Yes he married a 9/6year old because people in them days lived till they were like 35 to 44 therefore the 9 year old back in them days would be like 17 in these days, its just illogical and stupid to compare life of ancient time to now where things have been advanced so people could live longer. Marry gave birth to Jesus when she was 12 or 11, would this mean christian god raped her, or Jesus raped her as he is god to them.

[Very_Nayce]

Originally posted by horcrux92

Listen, I suggest you read my post AGAIN. I said SEVERAL not EVERY war has an element of religion involved.

You have to understand that these reigious folk dont like scope in an argument. They take things you or certani books [] say at litteral or face value.

[Axiom]

Originally posted by farhad
Yes he married a 9/6year old because people in them days lived till they were like 35 to 44 therefore the 9 year old back in them days would be like 17 in these days, its just illogical and stupid to compare life of ancient time to now where things have been advanced so people could live longer. Marry gave birth to Jesus when she was 12 or 11, would this mean christian god raped her, or Jesus raped her as he is god to them.

How could Jesus have raped Mary when he was her child??

[Nurse57]

"its just illogical and stupid to compare life of ancient time to now"

And yet you want people to follow a book written in ancient time. That is just illogical and stupid. Your words.

[Axiom]

Originally posted by Nurse57
"its just illogical and stupid to compare life of ancient time to now"

And yet you want people to follow a book written in ancient time. That is just illogical and stupid. Your words.

Exactly!

[farhad]

Originally posted by Nurse57
"its just illogical and stupid to compare life of ancient time to now"

And yet you want people to follow a book written in ancient time. That is just illogical and stupid. Your words.

We follow Quran because its the best guider, name me when was slavery abolished in the west, racism, the burning female widows or infant, women as political leaders, it through Quran which revolutioned and create equality all human weather it be muslim or non-muslim, most of the written human rights in the was already there. Quran abolished Slavery long before west was carrying out these Attrocity, Islam is the fastest growing religion because of its teachings, not followers.

[farhad]

Originally posted by horcrux92

How could Jesus have raped Mary when he was her child??

According Christian belief Jesus was the god of Torah.

[Nurse57]

You can't have it both ways. Either the ancient stuff is illogical and stupid or it is not. What one is it?

[Axiom]

Originally posted by farhad

We follow Quran because its the best guider, name me when was slavery abolished in the west, racism, the burning female widows or infant, women as political leaders, it through Quran which revolutioned and create equality all human weather it be muslim or non-muslim, most of the written human rights in the was already there. Quran abolished Slavery long before west was carrying out these Attrocity, Islam is the fastest growing religion because of its teachings, not followers.

Muslims abolish slavery?! No. A friend of mine went to Egypt a few years ago, and 80% people there are muslims. Now, my friend and his family was walking through a street in Cairo, when a MUSLIM merchant walked up to my friend's parents and offered them two camels in exchange for my mate's sister as slave. So don't come up with this cr*p when slavery is more present in middle-eastern countries than western culture. Racism is also present in the middle east. Doesn't Osama Bin Laden have a hatred of America and the West?

[farhad]

[quote]Originally posted by FrenchAffair

Originally posted by farhad



Rape slave-girls

"Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom are slave-girls captive of war: Thus hath Allah ordained (Prohibitions) against you: Except for these, all others are lawful, provided ye seek (them in marriage) with gifts from your property,- desiring chastity, not lust, seeing that ye derive benefit from them, give them their dowers (at least) as prescribed; but if, after a dower is prescribed, agree Mutually (to vary it), there is no blame on you, and Allah is All-knowing, All-wise"

Where does Allah tell us to rape a slave-girl, Islam believes manumission of slave, marrying a slave or poor girl is an act of manumission of slave, like Prophet Mohammed said, but the marriage clearly says shouldn't be for lust, but for helping the helpless. In contrast the Bible says:

Titus 2:9 (NIV) Teach slaves* (*including young little girl slaves) to be subject to their masters in everything* (*and I mean, EVERYTHING without restrictions no matter how kinky!!!), to try to please them, not to talk back to them,* (*Hallelujah! Praise the LORD! Sweet Jesus! Please don’t judge me wrong here… I’m being sarcastic just to make a point!)

Exodus 21:7-8 (NIV) "If a MAN SELLS* (*for whatever reason even for being short of money) his DAUGHTER* (*NOT HIS SON but his daughter!!!) as a SLAVE, SHE is not to go free as male slaves do. If she does not please the master who has selected her for himself* (*for whatever kinky pleasure), he must let her be redeemed. He has no right to sell her to foreigners, because he has broken faith with her.

As you can see, which scripture endorses to rape their female slave, bibleor the Quran?

[farhad]

Originally posted by horcrux92

Muslims abolish slavery?! No. A friend of mine went to Egypt a few years ago, and 80% people there are muslims. Now, my friend and his family was walking through a street in Cairo, when a MUSLIM merchant walked up to my friend's parents and offered them two camels in exchange for my mate's sister as slave. So don't come up with this cr*p when slavery is more present in middle-eastern countries than western culture. Racism is also present in the middle east. Doesn't Osama Bin Laden have a hatred of America and the West?

Quran and the Prophet abolished slavery, dont look at certain muslims, I can describe certian christians. There is that whole section in Sahi Bhukari called Manumission of Slave, and according to reports Prophet later on all-together freed over hundereds of slave. Another example is Black Bilal, who was brually treated badly by his own, Prophet heard about this and gave expensive money to buy Bilal of and then set him free. The section to that:section:http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamen...i/046.sbt.html

prophet muhammed said "No Arab is superior to a non-Arab, No non-Arab is superior to an Arab, No White person is superior to a Black person, and No Black person is superior to a White person. What do the ant-islamist have to say about that. Again these things were unheard of 14 centuries ago.

I agree in some parts there are racist arabs, there are also racist americans, that doesn't make it part of Prophet's teaching.

[Axiom]

Originally posted by farhad

Quran and the Prophet abolished slavery, dont look at certain muslims, I can describe certian christians. There is that whole section in Sahi Bhukari called Manumission of Slave, and according to reports Prophet later on all-together freed over hundereds of slave. Another example is Black Bilal, who was brually treated badly by his own, Prophet heard about this and gave expensive money to buy Bilal of and then set him free. The section to that:section:http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamen...i/046.sbt.html

prophet muhammed said "No Arab is superior to a non-Arab, No non-Arab is superior to an Arab, No White person is superior to a Black person, and No Black person is superior to a White person. What do the ant-islamist have to say about that. Again these things were unheard of 14 centuries ago.

I agree in some parts there are racist arabs, there are also racist americans, that doesn't make it part of Prophet's teaching.

I'm sorry I just can't agree. If the Qu'ran abolished slavery then why is it still present in Islamic countries?

[Nurse57]

I ask again.

You can't have it both ways. Either the ancient stuff is illogical and stupid or it is not. What one is it?

[farhad]

Originally posted by horcrux92

I'm sorry I just can't agree. If the Qu'ran abolished slavery then why is it still present in Islamic countries?

It would be nice if you read the links I rovided you so this misconception of prophet being an evil man can be removed, and look into Quran slavery in wiki compare this to the Bible. Furthermore you might of heard Islamic charity system called Zakat it is obligatory for abled muslims that every year they give charity or 2.5% of their earning to the needs. Again charity system was unheard of before Quran came and set a new system that every abled muslims should obey this and made it compulsory, muslims may enter hell if they dont follow this. Slaves in Islamic country are not being sold to other nations, rather the countires like bangladesh and Pakistan are poor.

“And he hath not attempted the ascent, and what will convey unto thee what the ascent is! It is the setting free of the slaves or the giving of food in the day of hunger to an orphan."(90:11-15).

“Alms are only for the poor and the needy and those who collect them and those whose hearts are to be reconciled and to free the captives and the debtors, for the cause of Allah” (9:60).

There is also human rights for non-muslims under Quran.

GOD in the BIBLE
- regrets! [Gen. 6:6 & 7]
- forgets! [Psalm 13:1] [Lam. 5:20]
- rides a naked female child!
- sleeps [Psalm. 4:23]
- abuses himself! [Jer. 10:18]
- goes to toilet! - he was human (jesus)
- needs food! he was human (jesus)
- makes women eat their innocent children! [Lam. 2:20]
- needs refreshing! [Exo. 31:17]
- is unjust! [Psalm 82:2]

ARE U SAYING THESE ARE WRONG?

[Axiom]

I don't say the prophet is an evil man. All I am saying is that if the Qu'ran is so important to these muslims why are they still permitting slavery?

[farhad]

Originally posted by horcrux92
I don't say the prophet is an evil man. All I am saying is that if the Qu'ran is so important to these muslims why are they still permitting slavery?

Ask them, but dont bring Quran into this because it simply is aginst it. All I'm stating is the abolishment of Slavery western country talk about was already abolished by Prophet Mohammed. Nowadays Muslim countries are poor, the poors need to work somewhere to survive, but Quran layout the guidlines how a slave should be treated, they must not be harmed or given job beyond their capability, a slave should be treated equally, a slave can also inherit according to Quran.

[farhad]

No should blame prophet muhammad aobut slavery, if anything prophet muhammad freed slaves like bilal who was beaten very badly with a heavy stone on his stomach to prophet Muhammad (p.b.u.h) BROUGHT bilal with his own earned MONEY by his good will to stop Bilal from gettin hurt and trying to make prophet sound bad about slavery its not half as bad as you americans who invented slavery in the 1stt palce.

[Nurse57]

I am still awaiting your reply from my previous question.

"already abolished by Prophet Mohammed."

"but Quran layout the guidlines how a slave should be treated"

So it is abolished but you have guidelines, just in case?

[Axiom]

Originally posted by farhad
No should blame prophet muhammad aobut slavery, if anything prophet muhammad freed slaves like bilal who was beaten very badly with a heavy stone on his stomach to prophet Muhammad (p.b.u.h) BROUGHT bilal with his own earned MONEY by his good will to stop Bilal from gettin hurt and trying to make prophet sound bad about slavery its not half as bad as you americans who invented slavery in the 1stt palce.

I didn't say it was the prophet's fault. Also, we are not americans.

[Nurse57]

"its not half as bad as you americans who invented slavery in the 1stt palce."

LOL. Sorry, I thought this was in the serious debate section.

Slavery can be traced to the earliest records, such as the Code of Hammurabi in Mesopotamia (~1800 BC), which refers to slavery as an already established institution.

Where as the slave trade in the US started in British North America around 1619 AD, when a Dutch ship brought 20 enslaved Africans to the Virginia colony at Jamestown. So I make that 3419 year gap.

Are you sure America invented slavery?

[Axiom]

Originally posted by Nurse57
"its not half as bad as you americans who invented slavery in the 1stt palce."

LOL. Sorry, I thought this was in the serious debate section.

Slavery can be traced to the earliest records, such as the Code of Hammurabi in Mesopotamia (~1800 BC), which refers to slavery as an already established institution.

Where as the slave trade in the US started in British North America around 1619 AD, when a Dutch ship brought 20 enslaved Africans to the Virginia colony at Jamestown. So I make that 3419 year gap.

Are you sure America invented slavery?

He is getting desperate to find explanations

[FrenchAffair]

Originally posted by Very_Nayce

The inquest, the crusades, witch burnings. Any of it ring a bell, no? Religion kills too. Both are wrong. The only difference is the Atheists dont use a spectre in the sky to justify it.

Atheists these days tend to be the chaps across the street smoking pot listening to albums you dont hear in the charts. Their not a violent subculture by any means.

Crusades were a defensive war that defended Europe from invadeing Muslim hords and the inqusition was responsible for the deaths of no more than 6000 people. harly a blip in terms of attrocities in human history.

[farhad]

Originally posted by FrenchAffair

Crusades were a defensive war that defended Europe from invadeing Muslim hords and the inqusition was responsible for the deaths of no more than 6000 people. harly a blip in terms of attrocities in human history.

When muslim empire entered in countries, they bought more peace and they didn't destroy everything, Moors and Salladin are great examples, Quran when you go into war, do not steal or destory a tree, or kill women, elders and children, only fight the fight force, whilst Bible calls for destruction and everything should be destroyed. By the way I found the Bible that was hidden mentions Prophet's Mohammed's name by Jesus as the coming of final Messiah, recorded by Barnbass, Jesus's close desciple.

The verse reads:

"Jesus answered: `The name of the Messiah is admirable one, for God himself gave him the name when he had created his soul, and placed it in a celestial splendour. God said: "Wait Mohammed; for thy sake I will to create paradise, the world, and a great multitude of creatures, whereof I make thee a present, insomuch that whoso bless thee shall be blessed, and whoso shall curse thee shall be accursed. When I shall send thee into the world I shall send thee as my messenger of salvation, and thy word shall be true, insomuch that heaven and earth shall fail, but thy faith shall never fail." Mohammed is his blessed name.' Then the crowd lifted up their voices, saying: `O God, send us thy messenger: O Admirable One, come quickly for the salvation of the world!'" Barnabas 97:9-10. The Italian manuscript replaces "Admirable One" with "Muhammad" [3].

[Nurse57]

Are you just going to ignore every point I pick you up on?

[farhad]

Originally posted by Nurse57
Are you just going to ignore every point I pick you up on?

Its better if try and read the link I gave you.