[arista]

She was fighting IDS

[jet]

Originally Posted by arista

Looking good.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by arista

She was fighting IDS

[Kizzy]

Yep let's all celebrate ids keeping his seat... :/
When all these towns specifically the new northern tory towns are complaining about lack of funding, food bank use and removal of EU grants I'm gonna laugh my arse off.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by arista

She was fighting IDS

I know how she feels. I couldn't get off the toilet when I was fighting IDS

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Yep let's all celebrate ids keeping his seat... :/
When all these towns specifically the new northern tory towns are complaining about lack of funding, food bank use and removal of EU grants I'm gonna laugh my arse off.

they are not going to and no you wont

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

they are not going to and no you wont

Lets see shall we?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by jet

You don’t believe in the law of averages then?
The last 2 tory governments barely scraped through and needed the Lib Dems and the dup respectively to prop them up. Now suddenly, people in their droves, including those who usually vote Labour, give the Tories a landslide victory.

According to you, its because they are idiots; a mass epidemic of ignorance has occurred in the space of just a few years. No, the sensible, intelligent answer is obvious - JEREMY CORBYN and his comrade armchair revolutionary’s promising outlandish goodies to the young people he targeted and who followed him like a cult. Wiser heads looked at him and his history, those who he befriended, his failure to reassure people he would keep their streets safe, his ever more unbelievable manifesto. There is a reason why Labour has languished in opposition for long periods in the last century, but Corbyn and his clique were stupid enough to think that an even more radical programme than usual would work.
They kept making the same mistakes and expecting a different outcome.

As the leader of the party, the failure lies with him. That’s what leaders are supposed to do, lead their team to success! Unless you see him as just a weak figurehead?
The wise general public hadn’t much of a choice. To keep out evil, so to speak, they had to vote for the lesser evil, by far. And they did with bells on.

There is no point in discussing anything with you, it all begins and ends with Corbyn when it comes to you to the point that his mere presence somehow makes it so that the entire public are not responsible for their own choices because it's all Corbyn's fault. Utterly ridiculous.

People made their choices based on nothing but propaganda, they gave the Tories a landslide win out of nothing but wilful ignorance. I live in Toryville despite the area being working class at heart. I've had poilitical conversations with plenty of people and it all goes the same way, they don't want to hear facts about the Tories that paint them in a bad light and they hate labour because the papers told them to. People are responsible for their own idiotic choices. Many voters chose to be ignorant and so I shall laugh in their faces when their choices bite them in the arse and they suffer the consequences for their ignorance.

Grown ass people made a terrible choice and they will hold the responsibility for that decision and you will not try to alleviate blame from them by blaming a losing party. The information was out there, the facts were damning of the Tories and people chose not to listen. They have no one to blame but themselves.

You speak of 'wiser heads' but I've yet to see anything to support that beyond 'CORBYN BAD! WE BLAME OUR BAD DECISIONS ON HIM!'. It is scapegoating pure and simple, people are responsible for their own votes and when they vote poorly they are free game for criticism.

The reason why Tories have gotten stronger since 2016 is because we are living in an age where the facts no longer matter. We live in a Trump era world where you can ignore facts that go against your beliefs and the idiot rags are becoming more like state propaganda every day. It's not a sudden thing, it didn't happen over night, it's been happening for years and this election is proof of that. People are cattle that willingly voted for the slaughterhouse.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Nine years of suffering???

For who?

If anything my life and prospects have increased greatly in the last 8 years...are you saying everyone who voted Tory have suffered for nine years?

If you are of the working or middle class then I simply don't believe you are telling the truth.

[Kazanne]

Are people still throwing things around in here ? I'll come back when it's calmed down and when people accept they cant always win

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Are people still throwing things around in here ? I'll come back when it's calmed down and when people accept they cant always win

Thank you, Kazanne, for providing an example of what's wrong with Tory voters.

This is not a game of football, elections aren't the world cup, you shouldn't be cheering on a party like it's your ****ing football club. It's not a game, you haven't won a single ****ing thing in this election has, no voter has.

It's like the Tory voters are in some sort of cult, they can't be reasoned with, they look at Boris like he's a messiah and they act like this is a victory for them when it's a victory for their overlords that will continue to exploit them.

Political parties should be loyal to the voters, not the other way around. MPs work for the public, we shouldn't kiss their feet like they are gods. Maybe one day, the tory voters will be deprogrammed but I doubt it, they seem to like their chains too much.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Are people still throwing things around in here ? I'll come back when it's calmed down and when people accept they cant always win

I'll come back when posts from The X Factor: The Band thread haven't mistakenly creeped into here.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

If you are of the working or middle class then I simply don't believe you are telling the truth.

And that is your problem....In a nutshell.

Maybe your life is ****, and you need to belittle people's choices and thier reasons for it to make you feel a bit better irl

10 years ago I was newly separated living in a one bedroom flat in scotland with little prospects of a new job....I decided to move down to Essex and have been on the up ever since, I'm now renting an affordable house because I get well payed under tory rule.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by parmnion

And that is your problem....In a nutshell.

Maybe your life is ****, and you need to belittle people's choices and thier reasons for it to make you feel a bit better irl

10 years ago I was newly separated living in a one bedroom flat in scotland with little prospects of a new job....I decided to move down to Essex and have been on the up ever since, I'm now renting an affordable house because I get well payed under tory rule.

I was going to quote that freakout you had in the other thread about people getting personal but it seems like you have the self awareness to edit it to 'bored' at least.

Again, I've got no reason to believe you. I've known so many tory supporters that have convinced themselves that things are good that I can't believe them at their word. They're just speaking the party lines they've been given.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I was going to quote that freakout you had in the other thread about people getting personal but it seems like you have the self awareness to edit it to 'bored' at least.

Again, I've got no reason to believe you. I've known so many tory supporters that have convinced themselves that things are good that I can't believe them at their word. They're just speaking the party lines they've been given.

Why would you not believe Parm? I can believe that someone who buckled down and worked hard is doing okay, while living in a rented home

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I was going to quote that freakout you had in the other thread about people getting personal but it seems like you have the self awareness to edit it to 'bored' at least.

Again, I've got no reason to believe you. I've known so many tory supporters that have convinced themselves that things are good that I can't believe them at their word. They're just speaking the party lines they've been given.

I don't believe you don't believe me, so we are stuck I guess

[Beso]

I might take a picture of all the cash in my wallet I've manged to save this past month...and that's including 2 nights out in london and a hotel

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Thank you, Kazanne, for providing an example of what's wrong with Tory voters.

This is not a game of football, elections aren't the world cup, you shouldn't be cheering on a party like it's your ****ing football club. It's not a game, you haven't won a single ****ing thing in this election has, no voter has.

It's like the Tory voters are in some sort of cult, they can't be reasoned with, they look at Boris like he's a messiah and they act like this is a victory for them when it's a victory for their overlords that will continue to exploit them.

Political parties should be loyal to the voters, not the other way around. MPs work for the public, we shouldn't kiss their feet like they are gods. Maybe one day, the tory voters will be deprogrammed but I doubt it, they seem to like their chains too much.

This is a somewhat ironic post given that a few days ago on this thread you posted

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The only good thing to come out of all of this is the thought that I'm gonna be telling Tory voters 'I told you so' so much over these next few years.

It's going to be fun to watch these people suffer for their mistakes and remind them that they only have themselves to blame, after all, they have no minor or hung governments to blame. They got what they wanted, a Tory majority, and they will get everything they deserve for it.

[Beso]

Talking of football club politics.....oh oh jer-emy corbyn...oh oh jer-emy corbyn..


At a labour conference as well...rofl

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

This is a somewhat ironic post given that a few days ago on this thread you posted

Aww, an adorable attempt at a 'gotcha' moment but, as always, it hasn't worked.

I hate what voters have decided upon, it doesn't come down to loyalty to me, I'm smart enough to not be loyal to any party as I'll vote depending on whether a party's policies support my views. but most Tory voters look at politics like a sport, they are loyal to their 'clubs' to their detriment and I shall mock them for it.

Now why don't you go back to doing what you do best, mocking teenagers with Asperger's while pretending you could ever have the moral highground against me.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by parmnion

And that is your problem....In a nutshell.

Maybe your life is ****, and you need to belittle people's choices and thier reasons for it to make you feel a bit better irl

10 years ago I was newly separated living in a one bedroom flat in scotland with little prospects of a new job....I decided to move down to Essex and have been on the up ever since, I'm now renting an affordable house because I get well payed under tory rule.

Yeah never mind the country is going to ****.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Yeah never mind the country is going to ****.

It's not though.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by parmnion

It's not though.

Tell that to people on the poverty line, tell that to an NHS at breaking point, tell that to the vulnerable people on benefits who are getting themselves deeper into debt and poverty through a predatory system. Tell that to other public services that have been so stripped back that they can barely function.

[arista]

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[arista]

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