[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Livia

A good number of Poles were very enthusiastic supporters of the Nazis and participated actively in the round up of Jews and the theft of their property.

oh, that explains that they had sent most of their army to Lvov (where there in reality was not much fighting)

but more like that the Nazis could easily invade Radom




the Nazis were so rotten to the core they even tried stabbing the Soviets in the back (first starting a ''alliance'' with them to take poland but then wanting it all) how the Soviets didn't see that coming at all, how laidback their approach was pre-1941



and then there also is Vichy France obviously, whom were also vile cowardly sympathizers of the Nazi's in exchange for their own freedoms (whom controlled North Africa, southern france)


but all of this is very offtopic, so lets head back on topic


in terms of the pro-palestine protesters, they don't seem to understand in a war you always have collateral damage, it is sad of the innocent palestinians deaths, but you always should fight terrorism and you can blame Hamas more for those deaths who used their citizens as human shields, than Netanyahu (he made a controversial decision yes, deffo makes him not very popular) but Hamas are more evil at the moment

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

the Nazis were so rotten to the core they even tried stabbing the Soviets in the back

The more one learns about those guys

[bots]

It's a nuanced conflict. It's not as simple as this side is good and that side is bad. That's why I struggle with all these protestors. I don't believe the majority are that stupid. Similarly with maga, i don't believe half the people believe a word Trump says, but they are still out there attaching themselves to his cause

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

It's a nuanced conflict. It's not as simple as this side is good and that side is bad. That's why I struggle with all these protestors. I don't believe the majority are that stupid. Similarly with maga, i don't believe half the people believe a word Trump says, but they are still out there attaching themselves to his cause

Let's be honest most people out "in crowds" on any side/any issue/for any reason are there simply because they want to be there doing the thing and that's the primary motivation. Actual, nuanced, in-depth understanding of the issues requiring any sort of critical thinking will not be present. Just loud-mouths and big banners.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

It's a nuanced conflict. It's not as simple as this side is good and that side is bad. That's why I struggle with all these protestors. I don't believe the majority are that stupid. Similarly with maga, i don't believe half the people believe a word Trump says, but they are still out there attaching themselves to his cause

every interview I have seen with the pro-hamas "protestors" and I have seen a lot - the kids have no clue what it is they are on the march for

even older people have a very basic knowledge

its worrying how stupid and sheep-like people actually are

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

its worrying how stupid and sheep-like people actually are

To be honest I don't think it's most people, it's just that the people dumb enough to blindly follow [anything] are also the ones dumb enough to do so very loudly.

And it's certainly not just young people. There are examples young, old, and spanning the entire political spectrum. No real meaningful difference between a Palestine protestor, a flat earther, a "just stop oil" roadbump or a MAGA redhat outside an abortion center. Different sauces on the same sandwich.

[Crimson Dynamo]

$90,000 a year Columbia Uni students

[Livia]

If they can't spell it, I doubt they could point to it on a map.

[arista]

Yes, worldwide anger is growing.

[DemRed]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes, worldwide anger is growing.

Against what?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by DemRed

Against what?

That's the question, isn't it. Both against nothing, and against anything, because the real answer is that the anger is rooted in postmodern existential catastrophe. The "what" isn't relevant. The anger and frustration just "is" ... and it needs a target ... because most people can't engage in the sort of abstract critical thinking required to understand what they're looking at. And even fewer can do it in relation to themselves. And even those who can do both, can't do it all of the time.

And so we rage.

[arista]

IDF is now attacking Precise Targets
in Eastern Rafagh

SkyNewsHD in Israel
reports

[arista]

Meanwhile in America






[US halts bomb shipments to Israel amid
concerns of full-scale Rafah invasion
as Biden's rift with Netanyahu deepens

A senior official confirmed the US paused
a large shipment last week to Israel
The shipment was supposed to contain
of a total of 3,500 bombs
Over 1 million civilians are sheltering
in Rafah after evacuating parts of Gaza]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...escalates.html

[arista]

[A Palestinian youth inspects the damage
inside a destroyed building following
Israeli bombardment of Rafah's Tal al-Sultan district
in the southern Gaza Strip on May 7, 2024]

[Livia]

Meanwhile in Yemen.... 380,000 people have died, Muslims killed by other Muslims. War crime after war crime has been committed. No protests outside the Saudi embassies. Why is that?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

Meanwhile in Yemen.... 380,000 people have died, Muslims killed by other Muslims. War crime after war crime has been committed. No protests outside the Saudi embassies. Why is that?

The sad banality is that the answer to this isn't even nuanced or political. "It's not the cause du jour". That's literally the whole answer. The people protesting are at this point just weaponised mass of nothingness who will rally around whatever the latest thing to rally around is.

My personal "favourite" illustration of this is the fact that no one gives two shiny shites about Ukraine any more. Like zero interest. .

[DemRed]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

The sad banality is that the answer to this isn't even nuanced or political. "It's not the cause du jour". That's literally the whole answer. The people protesting are at this point just weaponised mass of nothingness who will rally around whatever the latest thing to rally around is.
.

I beg to differ. I think this new generation coming through have informed themselves well. In these modern times its very easy to go on certain online platforms and not only see what's going on, but understand why its going on and more importantly, how long its been going on for. We now know with certainty how much power the IL have over both the American and British government and if that doesn't piss the Brits off, then you have to ask, why not?
History has been hidden from the older generation. The horrors of colonialism, has been brushed over well up until now, but now its ugly head has raised above the precipice and the younger generation are angry.

Its easy to suggest they are just an angry mob of stupid people and if it makes people feel better to suggest thats is all good and well, but we are presently going through a historical period of change that will be talked about in the years to come.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by DemRed

I beg to differ. I think this new generation coming through have informed themselves well. In these modern times its very easy to go on certain online platforms and not only see what's going on, but understand why its going on and more importantly, how long its been going on for. We now know with certainty how much power the IL have over both the American and British government and if that doesn't piss the Brits off, then you have to ask, why not?
History has been hidden from the older generation. The horrors of colonialism, has been brushed over well up until now, but now its ugly head has raised above the precipice and the younger generation are angry.

Its easy to suggest they are just an angry mob of stupid people and if it makes people feel better to suggest thats is all good and well, but we are presently going through a historical period of change that will be talked about in the years to come.

I don't think it has to be either-or and I think it's far more complicated than that, and in many ways, it equalises to how things ever were. Young people have easy access to all of the information in the world, and are at the same time and by the same mechanisms subjected to vastly more disinformation and agenda-driven semi-truths than ever before. What separates the mindless from the mindful is the ability to assess and appraise the information at hand with a critical eye and (to be entirely blunt) people, young, old, anywhere in between are no better at that than they ever were.

I think you're cherry-picking the argument here DemRed in all honesty because I've seen your skepticism on "woke issues" / trans rights etc. and there is a significant crossover between "people protesting for trans" (something that you don't agree with) and "people waving the Palestinian flag" (something that you do agree with). The criteria on which you're deeming young people "well informed" is, then, what? Whether or not it happens to be a topic that you agree with the mindset zeitgeist on? A group that attends a Gaza protest on Monday is well informed, but the same group swapping out those flags to boycott JK Rowling at a University on Tuesday is suddenly no longer well informed?

It doesn't really make sense, to me. Nor does it make sense that the same groups of people just-so-happen to fully align in their beliefs about a whole range of diverse issues, having properly considered each issue in full. It's statistically HIGHLY unlikely, is it not? It seems more likely that there's a lot of copy-paste protesting going on.


...

All of that aside, even to take the stance that these people ARE well informed on the issues and have them spot on, it can't be denied that the "laser focus" is usually on one or two issues at a time, and moves on quickly, without there being any resolution to the previous "issue of utmost importance" ..., i.e., Ukraine (Ukraine who??) when the Israel/Palestine issue came along to draw focus. Or the 1%/"Occupy", or MeToo, or Black Lives Matter, or, or, or...

Cause du jour.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

The sad banality is that the answer to this isn't even nuanced or political. "It's not the cause du jour". That's literally the whole answer. The people protesting are at this point just weaponised mass of nothingness who will rally around whatever the latest thing to rally around is.

My personal "favourite" illustration of this is the fact that no one gives two shiny shites about Ukraine any more. Like zero interest. .

Actually a work colluege of mine is just back from a weeks long drive to ukraine in a van load of supplies, supplied by the workforce and local people...sonyou are wrong..many people do care, its just the virtual signillars who need to be seen signalling virtue that have just moved into the palistinine cause.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Livia

Meanwhile in Yemen.... 380,000 people have died, Muslims killed by other Muslims. War crime after war crime has been committed. No protests outside the Saudi embassies. Why is that?

Yes, Livia

that is sad.


I updated my 2018 thread
https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/for...n#post10133098

[Livia]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes, Livia

that is sad.


I updated my 2018 thread
https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/for...n#post10133098

I saw that, thanks arista. I don't see any of TiBB's Hamas fan club commenting on it.

[DemRed]

Originally Posted by Livia

I saw that, thanks arista. I don't see any of TiBB's Hamas fan club commenting on it.

Probably because there are no Hamas supporters on here!

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by DemRed

Probably because there are no Hamas supporters on here!

Exactly DemRed.
Wild accusations fly like confetti at times.

[Parmy]

There wa a trans rights protest in leeds on monday, chanting from the river...you couldn't make it up.

[arista]

President Biden
has confirmed all weapons will stop going to Israel
if the attack Rafah in full.