[Vanessa]

Oh well, there are always dvds.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

not that im into that

[Niall]

What I really cannot understand is how some are against an opt in system here. I just don't know how that can be argued against.

If you want to sacrifice your civil liberties in the name of 'keeping children safe' and reinforcing Victorian taboos then you're an idiot in my books anyhow.

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Niall

What I really cannot understand is how some are against an opt in system here. I just don't know how that can be argued against.

If you want to sacrifice your civil liberties in the name of 'keeping children safe' and reinforcing Victorian taboos then you're an idiot in my books anyhow.

Having a system where parents can opt-in to the whole thing would be fine IMO, just don't force it on everyone.

[Jack_]

The first time I came across porn was in a park whilst with my cousins, aged about 8 or 9. A porn mag had been torn to pieces and was just lying on the floor but you could still see images of some girls opening their ***** up for all to see. It wasn't a pretty sight at that age I'm not going to lie, and for the rest of the day I did wonder what the hell it was about, but that hasn't scarred me and ruined the rest of my life...

I started watching porn online around 14, and that hasn't affected my life either. Much like Lee's daughter I probably Googled the words of body parts aged 10 or 11 because I was curious but never did I come across anything pornographic as is being made out on here. Sure, you can stumble across it sometimes but is it going to ruin the rest of that person's life? No. They might be worried about what they've looked at for a while, or be curious about what it is, but in the grand scheme of things when they grow up they'll laugh off their innocence, just like I have.

The real danger as I have already outlined is that this filter is going to block all of the regulated, well known, trusted porn sites, and those dodgy sites that look ambiguous at best are going to be the ones people (especially adolescents just starting out looking at porn) are looking at, and that can't be a good thing.

I also don't know how many times it has to be repeated in this thread that child porn is not easily accessible. I mean seriously, it really isn't just type in kiddyfiddler.co.uk and everyone has access to all sorts of jailbait, it's much more difficult to find than that. Never in four years of watching porn and searching all sorts of things have I ever come across anything blatantly illegal, but forget the facts and experiences of people that actually have gone through this and let's just listen to the Mail and make up scenarios in our head about poor innocent little kids seeing some Russian girl get creampied.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Jack_

The first time I came across porn was in a park whilst with my cousins, aged about 8 or 9. A porn mag had been torn to pieces and was just lying on the floor but you could still see images of some girls opening their ***** up for all to see. It wasn't a pretty sight at that age I'm not going to lie, and for the rest of the day I did wonder what the hell it was about, but that hasn't scarred me and ruined the rest of my life...

I started watching porn online around 14, and that hasn't affected my life either. Much like Lee's daughter I probably Googled the words of body parts aged 10 or 11 because I was curious but never did I come across anything pornographic as is being made out on here. Sure, you can stumble across it sometimes but is it going to ruin the rest of that person's life? No. They might be worried about what they've looked at for a while, or be curious about what it is, but in the grand scheme of things when they grow up they'll laugh off their innocence, just like I have.

The real danger as I have already outlined is that this filter is going to block all of the regulated, well known, trusted porn sites, and those dodgy sites that look ambiguous at best are going to be the ones people (especially adolescents just starting out looking at porn) are looking at, and that can't be a good thing.

I also don't know how many times it has to be repeated in this thread that child porn is not easily accessible. I mean seriously, it really isn't just type in kiddyfiddler.co.uk and everyone has access to all sorts of jailbait, it's much more difficult to find than that. Never in four years of watching porn and searching all sorts of things have I ever come across anything blatantly illegal, but forget the facts and experiences of people that actually have gone through this and let's just listen to the Mail and make up scenarios in our head about poor innocent little kids seeing some Russian girl get creampied.

Nobody asked for your life story jack, and your comments about the the opinions of others on this issue are a tad insulting.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Nobody asked for your life story jack, and your comments about the the opinions of others on this issue are a tad insulting.

I find the proposal itself highly insulting and your avoidance of numerous explanations in this thread isn't helping matters

Also, my experiences and the experiences of others as detailed in this thread are a hell of a lot more valid than the wails of 'think of the children!!!!!! my poor Bella may see a BJ POV because the internet is so unsafe and there's no restrictions and porn (including dirty vile child porn) is polluting the entirety of the internet!!!! waaa waaa'

People have already explained how difficult it is to find or stumble across such content and it is being ignored.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I find the proposal itself highly insulting and your avoidance of numerous explanations in this thread isn't helping matters

Also, my experiences and the experiences of others as detailed in this thread are a hell of a lot more valid than the wails of 'think of the children!!!!!! my poor Bella may see a BJ POV because the internet is so unsafe and there's no restrictions and porn (including dirty vile child porn) is polluting the entirety of the internet!!!! waaa waaa'

People have already explained how difficult it is to find or stumble across such content and it is being ignored.

Why must you make things personal?
I don't care how many times things are 'explained' I will wait and see how the changes work once implemented thankyou.
Yes I can see that you feel your view is the only one that matters, nobody is ignoring you jack calm down.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Nobody asked for your life story jack, and your comments about the the opinions of others on this issue are a tad insulting.

To be fair, no one asked for your life story either and I daresay that comment towards Jack is a tad insulting as well.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Redway

To be fair, no one asked for your life story either and I daresay that comment towards Jack is a tad insulting as well.

I haven't given it, do you? that's a shame it wasn't intentional.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I haven't given it, do you? that's a shame it wasn't intentional.

That makes literally no sense at all?

[Samuel.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

The first time I came across porn was in a park whilst with my cousins, aged about 8 or 9. A porn mag had been torn to pieces and was just lying on the floor but you could still see images of some girls opening their ***** up for all to see. It wasn't a pretty sight at that age I'm not going to lie, and for the rest of the day I did wonder what the hell it was about, but that hasn't scarred me and ruined the rest of my life...

I started watching porn online around 14, and that hasn't affected my life either. Much like Lee's daughter I probably Googled the words of body parts aged 10 or 11 because I was curious but never did I come across anything pornographic as is being made out on here. Sure, you can stumble across it sometimes but is it going to ruin the rest of that person's life? No. They might be worried about what they've looked at for a while, or be curious about what it is, but in the grand scheme of things when they grow up they'll laugh off their innocence, just like I have.

The real danger as I have already outlined is that this filter is going to block all of the regulated, well known, trusted porn sites, and those dodgy sites that look ambiguous at best are going to be the ones people (especially adolescents just starting out looking at porn) are looking at, and that can't be a good thing.

I also don't know how many times it has to be repeated in this thread that child porn is not easily accessible. I mean seriously, it really isn't just type in kiddyfiddler.co.uk and everyone has access to all sorts of jailbait, it's much more difficult to find than that. Never in four years of watching porn and searching all sorts of things have I ever come across anything blatantly illegal, but forget the facts and experiences of people that actually have gone through this and let's just listen to the Mail and make up scenarios in our head about poor innocent little kids seeing some Russian girl get creampied.

Yeah, the whole idea that watching porn at a young age in any way affects you is ridiculous in itself.

Was exposed to porn mags around 8-9 as well, and saw porn online maybe even as young as 12.

Obviously I can understand why you wouldn't want your child exposed to that at such a young age, but acting like it'll go on to make you a messed up person is completely false. Maybe if you're watching hardcore porn when you're 8-9, possibly? But that'd be an extremely rare case where a child would seek that out.

[Sticks]

This is what I have put on my Google blog

With apologies to Martin Niemöller

First the decided to block internet porn of the worse kind
And I did not speak out because I am not into internet porn as it disgusted me

Then they decided to block videos put up by Islamic extremists, that even moderate Muslims find offensive
And I did not speak out because I am not into watching Islamic extremist videos.

Then they decided, in all fairness, to block videos put out by far right racist groups
And I did not speak up because I find the rantings of the far right repugnant.

Then they decided to block details on how to make terrorist weapons like bombs and explosives
And I did not speak up because I did not want to know how to make that vile stuff.

Then they decided to block details that anorexics share on how to starve themselves
And I did not speak up because I found these things incomprehensible

Then they decided to block discussion of anything that might be critical of government policy, as they said that would be considered sapping national morale and giving aid and comfort to our enemies
And there was nobody left to speak up for us who had concerns about government decisions, that affected our lives, and we were silenced.

Originally Posted by Sticks

This is what I have put on my Google blog

Look, I'm completely opposed to this change, but using that poem for anything porn/censorship related is in pretty poor taste.

[Sticks]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

Look, I'm completely opposed to this change, but using that poem for anything porn/censorship related is in pretty poor taste.

But was that not in the spirit of the original poem?

Originally Posted by Sticks

But was that not in the spirit of the original poem?

Censorship? Yes, you're right. But porn? definitely not.

It's just an appalling comparison in my view, when you strip the topic down with what that poem was originally about. I know you were coming at it from censorship, but still, just not right.

[Sticks]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

Censorship? Yes, you're right. But porn? definitely not.

It's just an appalling comparison in my view, when you strip the topic down with what that poem was originally about. I know you were coming at it from censorship, but still, just not right.

I recall a story where a fire station in the US banned its staff from reading Playboy, or something of that ilk. Those affected were supported by a number of Christians who reasoned, if they can ban Playboy today, then they might end up banning our Bibles.

How about a few lessons from the episode of Star Trek the Next Generation called Drumhead

Youtube video

See from 52 seconds

And Picard's final words

Youtube video

[Tom4784]

People shouldn't have to opt in to get rid of it though, it should be a service that the parents and such should opt in to, that way you aren't encroaching on people's liberties.

It won't happens like that though because the parents that this is aimed at are dumb as rocks and can't be bothered to raise their own spawn properly.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

People shouldn't have to opt in to get rid of it though, it should be a service that the parents and such should opt in to, that way you aren't encroaching on people's liberties.

It won't happens like that though because the parents that this is aimed at are dumb as rocks and can't be bothered to raise their own spawn properly.

I'd say this is aimed at all parents, and I for one am not dumb, and I raise my children properly thank you.

I'd like to discuss this with you when you have children of your own.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Lee.

I'd say this is aimed at all parents, and I for one am not dumb, and I raise my children properly thank you.

I'd like to discuss this with you when you have children of your own.

Correction: I said the parents that are dumb as rocks and can't be bothered to raise their own children, please point out where I referred to you?

Also I hate it when people go 'Oh, you don't understand, you don't have children'. No, the act of squeezing a baby out of your vagina does not instantly imbue you with a magical sense of newfound wisdom nor does it give you the right to talk down to anyone else just because you have a kid. I have as much right to an opinion on this matter as anyone else does and my opinion is that the block will achieve nothing but pacify distant lazy parents who wants the world to raise their children because they can't be bothered to. It will not prevent child porn or anything dodgy and it won't even prevent kids from looking at porn. It's just a big annoying dent to everyone's rights.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Correction: I said the parents that are dumb as rocks and can't be bothered to raise their own children, please point out where I referred to you?

Also I hate it when people go 'Oh, you don't understand, you don't have children'. No, the act of squeezing a baby out of your vagina does not instantly imbue you with a magical sense of newfound wisdom nor does it give you the right to talk down to anyone else just because you have a kid. I have as much right to an opinion on this matter as anyone else does and my opinion is that the block will achieve nothing but pacify distant lazy parents who wants the world to raise their children because they can't be bothered to. It will not prevent child porn or anything dodgy and it won't even prevent kids from looking at porn. It's just a big annoying dent to everyone's rights.

My opinion will not change when I have kids, I spend so much time looking after the little ones in my own family because their parents suck at life that I have a good understanding of what makes a good parent because I've seen what makes a bad one.

Will you and are you able to monitor and restrict these little ones access to the net when they are at their friends house, or at an after school club, or out on their bikes, or at a sleep over?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Cherie

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Will you and are you able to monitor and restrict these little ones access to the net when they are at their friends house, or at an after school club, or out on their bikes, or at a sleep over?

No, but when they're in my care I can and that's all I can do, forcing this on the whole nation is just ultimately selfish and it could lead to a very dark path.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Cherie

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Will you and are you able to monitor and restrict these little ones access to the net when they are at their friends house, or at an after school club, or out on their bikes, or at a sleep over?

To be fair though, you will never be able to monitor that as the parents of their friends could have opted in, so unless you are going to ask the question to all the parents you will never know what they are accessing when they are not under your direct supervision, it's so difficult and an age old problem where in the past big brothers / friends etc passed on the porn mags, now its the internet but its the same story, it will be impossible to monitor it completely ever.

[Z]

Originally Posted by Cherie

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Will you and are you able to monitor and restrict these little ones access to the net when they are at their friends house, or at an after school club, or out on their bikes, or at a sleep over?

You'd never be able to let your kids go outside or meet other people if you wanted to shield them from all the world's horrors ranging from murder to porn but that's no way to live a life. Instead of shaming people into admitting they like to watch porn, would the government not be better off striking a deal with ISPs to share these warnings about mature site content (which already exists nowadays, they'd just need to strengthen parental locks on Google searches) as they've said they're going to do and then monitor anyone who chooses to ignore such warnings and make arrests, if they were so concerned about people accessing porn? But of course, Mr Cameron is speaking from the POV of a parent, so it's only natural that we're focusing on what parents can do to minimise the chances of their kids seeing things - and having full control of what their kids do on the internet is a great idea; but it should only be applying to parents and not just the population en masse. The reality is you can't just not allow your children to use the internet, but as a parent you have to accept that you are giving your child access to a device that will allow them to look up anything in the world, whether that be war atrocities, porn or sensitive material that you don't want them to know about. I don't see how the government can take it upon itself to decide what the population en masse can and can't look up online - that's exactly what China has done and as such its people are persecuted for going around the filters. Obviously censoring porn is not the same thing as censoring your country's atrocities but it's the principle - as Sticks posted previously, it's a short step away from full blown censorship and suddenly we're powerless to do anything about it because we said it was okay to censor some things in the first place.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

People shouldn't have to opt in to get rid of it though, it should be a service that the parents and such should opt in to, that way you aren't encroaching on people's liberties.

It won't happens like that though because the parents that this is aimed at are dumb as rocks and can't be bothered to raise their own spawn properly.

You have said this many times now, are you trying to appear offensive to all parents?
How has this affected your 'liberties'?.... It hasn't.
This is aimed at everyone dezzy.