[MeMyselfAndI]

Originally Posted by reece(:

I don't think that matters since the top three will be those three unfortunately

Well in the top 4, we can all join together and plus that fourth one (Likely Suzette/Talla)

[Macie Lightfoot]

Jillian Won The Money But Not The Game

[Jack_]

AJ - 10
Alec - 10
Andrew - 7 (-)
Emmett - 7
Gary - 34 (+)
Peter - 17
Suzette - 27
Talla - 17

[Macie Lightfoot]

I really don't know what show you were watching if you really think it revolved around LIZA yet Talla was a supporting character.

And you can say all you want about Emmett playing the best game but he sealed his own fate evicting Talla and then getting an easy question wrong in the final HoH.

[MeMyselfAndI]

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

I really don't know what show you were watching if you really think it revolved around LIZA yet Talla was a supporting character.

And you can say all you want about Emmett playing the best game but he sealed his own fate evicting Talla and then getting an easy question wrong in the final HoH.

This is 100% true & I rarely agree with him, no point telling him to simmer down when I think the majority of viewers will agree. The cast members I always forget are Aneal & Liza when I try to remember 15.

EVERYONE remembers Talla, shes probably the second most memorable after Gary

[Macie Lightfoot]

I really don't know what show you were watching if you really think it revolved around LIZA yet Talla was a supporting character.

And you can say all you want about Emmett playing the best game but he sealed his own fate evicting Talla and then getting an easy question wrong in the final HoH.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

I really don't know what show you were watching if you really think it revolved around LIZA yet Talla was a supporting character.

And you can say all you want about Emmett playing the best game but he sealed his own fate evicting Talla and then getting an easy question wrong in the final HoH.

The whole show didn't, but when her and Tom were at their peak she was contributing a lot more storyline wise than Talla was who was always just the drunk girl who occasionally had some hilarious moments. She didn't actually have a storyline now did she?

Well we all know he should have evicted Gary since he wasn't stupid enough to take Emmett but thankfully he managed to convince him that he would, so that's why he didn't evict him and tbh at that point he had no reason to think otherwise since him and Gary had always had a good relationship, Gary had always expressed his indifference/bordering on dislike for Jill to him, and because Talla would DEFINITELY not have taken him, so tbh having two people he thought would take him to F2 as opposed to only guaranteeing one, then yeah I can see why he evicted Talla

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by Jack_

The whole show didn't, but when her and Tom were at their peak she was contributing a lot more storyline wise than Talla was who was always just the drunk girl who occasionally had some hilarious moments. She didn't actually have a storyline now did she?

Well we all know he should have evicted Gary since he wasn't stupid enough to take Emmett but thankfully he managed to convince him that he would, so that's why he didn't evict him and tbh at that point he had no reason to think otherwise since him and Gary had always had a good relationship, Gary had always expressed his indifference/bordering on dislike for Jill to him, and because Talla would DEFINITELY not have taken him, so tbh having two people he thought would take him to F2 as opposed to only guaranteeing one, then yeah I can see why he evicted Talla

Liza didn't contribute anything. She was boring and forgettable and an early boot who was ultimately irrelevant to the grand scheme of things. Like come on, your "love triangle" (seriously after this and Charlie/Callum/Dexter I never want to see another love triangle ever again) consisted of TOM and PETER that speaks enough about your worth. Compared to Talla, who was consistently entertaining and provided dozens of talking points (which when you would constantly lecture me about how I watch Big Brother wrong (holylol @ unironically telling someone that they're watching TV wrong), you would emphasize that the show revolves around talking points and needs them to survive and whatever other bull**** you spew) and was actually the big character you pretend others like Emmett, Jillian, Alec, and Peter were.

And yes, Emmett evicted the girl who did not win a single Competition and would nearly guarantee a Jemmett final HoH over the guy who actually tried to play the game, especially after his brother warned him not to trust the gay guy. Well played

[Black Dagger]

AJ - 10
Alec - 10
Andrew - 6 -
Emmett - 7
Gary - 34
Peter - 18 +
Suzette - 27
Talla - 17

[Black Dagger]

Troy you are boring, simmer down xo.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by Black Dagger

Troy you are boring, simmer down xo.

I guess you've already run out of prerecorded comebacks that we're back at "simmer down xo" again

[Black Dagger]

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

I guess you've already run out of prerecorded comebacks that we're back at "simmer down xo" again

I don't want to waste my time thinking up new ones for you, you're just tedious and lol at prerecorded when you repeat yourself on the daily babes. yawn xxxxx

[MeMyselfAndI]

No offense, but you've contradicted yourself SO much in this thread. Putting Jillian in with the characters as too why you liked this season, and saying how there is no way Kat/Danielle/Aneal should beat Peter, yet you minussed her over them, and no you started this. People were minussing Peter as we don't like him, you were minussing Jillian because the people who didn't like Peter happened to like Jillian.

And I disagree with everything you said, Jillian, Emmet, Talla & Andrew were the stars.
Peter was a supporting character

[MeMyselfAndI]

Jillian did win
Theres no two ways about it, she WON the show. It's just a fact, no matter how you go about it, you're just wrong.

The winner of the game wins the prize, Jillian won the prize, there would be a lawsuit if they just awarded someone random the prize, the winner of the game has to get the prize, which Jillian got. She won, fact. Anything you say otherwise is simply a lie.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by MeMyselfAndI

No offense, but you've contradicted yourself SO much in this thread. Putting Jillian in with the characters as too why you liked this season, and saying how there is no way Kat/Danielle/Aneal should beat Peter, yet you minussed her over them, and no you started this. People were minussing Peter as we don't like him, you were minussing Jillian because the people who didn't like Peter happened to like Jillian.

And I disagree with everything you said, Jillian, Emmet, Talla & Andrew were the stars.
Peter was a supporting character

I explained on one of the first few pages why I targeted Jillian? You're rewriting what's actually happened in this thread

I would have targeted Kat first since she was the most irrelevant, but NO ONE was going to be bothered enough to minus her and so someone like Peter WOULD have left before, therefore I thought well Jill has more detractors so let's try her, and they went along with it

I didn't even plan on voting as much as I have done in the beginning as I've also already explained before, the only reason I've done so since is because it was started by other people, a few nights ago Troy said he wasn't going to allow Jill to leave first and spent every hour of the UK early hours -ing Peter and plussing her so she wouldn't be out, I woke up and Peter was nearly out so I thought well the only way this is going to be stopped is if I do the same. Then the other night lostalex said he was going to 'destroy' Peter and did exactly the same due to time zone differences, so I had to retaliate by doing the same. I didn't start the excessive voting that's a total lie, I reacted to it. That's what actually happened.

Peter was not in any way a supporting character that's just false, I want to make this clear because people don't seem to be able to read, I did not or do not rate his game, I'm voting in this on contribution to the season as I always do with any BB that I watch. You cannot deny the amount of stuff he contributed to the episodes, whether you found that annoying or not is irrelevant, it was still there. You don't have to like him but he WAS a big character contribution wise, that's it

Originally Posted by MeMyselfAndI

Jillian did win
Theres no two ways about it, she WON the show. It's just a fact, no matter how you go about it, you're just wrong.

The winner of the game wins the prize, Jillian won the prize, there would be a lawsuit if they just awarded someone random the prize, the winner of the game has to get the prize, which Jillian got. She won, fact. Anything you say otherwise is simply a lie.

Okay just choose to ignore everything I said and actually what you've said I'm not even disputing so?

I know she won the show, I know she won the money, I know they couldn't have reversed the vote (hence why I said she HAD to win after that), but I'm sorry, she didn't get four jurors to intend to vote for her. You can't shy away from this even she would admit it herself ffs, yes she'll take the win and yes she did win in reality but she did not play a good enough game to win without needing a misvote to happen, you can't just ignore that. Once again, the intent of an action is almost always more important than what actually happens

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Peter was not in any way a supporting character that's just false, I want to make this clear because people don't seem to be able to read, I did not or do not rate his game, I'm voting in this on contribution to the season as I always do with any BB that I watch. You cannot deny the amount of stuff he contributed to the episodes, whether you found that annoying or not is irrelevant, it was still there. You don't have to like him but he WAS a big character contribution wise, that's it

But all of his contributions were awful, that's the point you don't get and the flaw in your logic. You preach about talking points and contributions, but you look at quantity as opposed to quality. Peter was shoved down our throats and did get a lot of airtime but it was all nauseating and his contributions were the low points of the show. The Sheyld's entire existence, a character development scene on the struggles of eating a mother****ing salad, constant self-congratulatory DRs to lead casuals to thinking he's actually playing a good game. I literally cannot think of a positive contribution Peter made to the show.

It's like saying that Tom was great for his contributions when they consisted of casual sexism and homophobia (and apparently racism from what I remember hearing about?). Like, you're a gross human with no redeeming qualities and I couldn't wait to get you off of my television. Having high visibility does not automatically make you a positive contribution to the show. Just look at like, almost everyone heavily featured in BB12 and CBB11.

[MeMyselfAndI]

AJ - 10
Alec - 10
Andrew - 7 +
Emmett - 7
Gary - 34
Peter - 17 -
Suzette - 27
Talla - 17

[MeMyselfAndI]

Jillian & Emmet were the two best players of the game, It was very evident, which is why they both spent the most days in the house, and were immune practically every week

[Josiah.]

I'm trying not to be rude but... Jack, Troy, and MMI, please stop the fighting immediately!

I really do not want the mods to close this thread because of a HUGE argument/debate. So, PLEASE go back to being NICE PEOPLE and play the game without b****ing.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

Liza didn't contribute anything. She was boring and forgettable and an early boot who was ultimately irrelevant to the grand scheme of things. Like come on, your "love triangle" (seriously after this and Charlie/Callum/Dexter I never want to see another love triangle ever again) consisted of TOM and PETER that speaks enough about your worth. Compared to Talla, who was consistently entertaining and provided dozens of talking points (which when you would constantly lecture me about how I watch Big Brother wrong (holylol @ unironically telling someone that they're watching TV wrong), you would emphasize that the show revolves around talking points and needs them to survive and whatever other bull**** you spew) and was actually the big character you pretend others like Emmett, Jillian, Alec, and Peter were.

And yes, Emmett evicted the girl who did not win a single Competition and would nearly guarantee a Jemmett final HoH over the guy who actually tried to play the game, especially after his brother warned him not to trust the gay guy. Well played

She was actually the hated house bitch in the lead up to her eviction and most of the action was revolving around her and whether or not she was playing Tom and/or Peter, the houseguests were discussing it, Peter and Tom were and as viewers that was the main storyline at the time.

Once again there you go making patronising and baiting comments, and you're telling me you don't troll? Like why is it that you are incapable of actually having a civilised debate without resorting to 'hahahaha you're an idiot' (or your equivalent which is 'holylol' or something similar)? I actually hate to admit this but you do sometimes have some valid points when I'm debating with you, but why is it that you insist on being so rude to people? That's exactly why you're so irritating because you just never stop referencing members in threads, criticising their opinions and resorting to laughing at them even when sometimes they haven't even yet posted in the thread? Why is it that I can have debates with plenty of other people on here who I disagree with and they disagree with me but it can remain civil, mature and respectful instead of insult throwing and laughing smilies? I'm not saying I don't partake in that because I do but as a form of retaliation, I'd much rather just have a debate without the need for all of that, you just don't seem to be capable of it? I just don't get it

Anyway on the subject of Talla and talking points well yes she was hilarious but nothing she did constitutes developing a discussion point, they were just funny moments. A talking point arises out of a storyline or a house relationship/feud/friendship where you can discuss in depth about what happened in such an event or about the legitimacy of a duo or some sort, you can't discuss Talla passing out in the toilet drunk, that's just funny. So no it doesn't come under the talking points argument

Actually I lie, the argument with Gary was one potential talking point...but that's it really? I loved her don't get me wrong but she hardly had many storyline that could be discussed in depth? She was just the cute drunk

Originally Posted by Josiah.

I'm trying not to be rude but... Jack, Troy, and MMI, please stop the fighting immediately!

I really do not want the mods to close this thread because of a HUGE argument/debate. So, PLEASE go back to being NICE PEOPLE and play the game without b****ing.

I didn't even want any of this, if you remember on the first few pages I spent like a day trying not to rise to the bait from a certain member but I just wasn't having it in the end. I don't even get it it's just a bloody forum game who actually cares, these arguments aren't necessary

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by Jack_

She was actually the hated house bitch in the lead up to her eviction and most of the action was revolving around her and whether or not she was playing Tom and/or Peter, the houseguests were discussing it, Peter and Tom were and as viewers that was the main storyline at the time.

Once again there you go making patronising and baiting comments, and you're telling me you don't troll? Like why is it that you are incapable of actually having a civilised debate without resorting to 'hahahaha you're an idiot' (or your equivalent which is 'holylol' or something similar)? I actually hate to admit this but you do sometimes have some valid points when I'm debating with you, but why is it that you insist on being so rude to people? That's exactly why you're so irritating because you just never stop referencing members in threads, criticising their opinions and resorting to laughing at them even when sometimes they haven't even yet posted in the thread? Why is it that I can have debates with plenty of other people on here who I disagree with and they disagree with me but it can remain civil, mature and respectful instead of insult throwing and laughing smilies? I'm not saying I don't partake in that because I do but as a form of retaliation, I'd much rather just have a debate without the need for all of that, you just don't seem to be capable of it? I just don't get it

Anyway on the subject of Talla and talking points well yes she was hilarious but nothing she did constitutes developing a discussion point, they were just funny moments. A talking point arises out of a storyline or a house relationship/feud/friendship where you can discuss in depth about what happened in such an event or about the legitimacy of a duo or some sort, you can't discuss Talla passing out in the toilet drunk, that's just funny. So no it doesn't come under the talking points argument

Actually I lie, the argument with Gary was one potential talking point...but that's it really? I loved her don't get me wrong but she hardly had many storyline that could be discussed in depth? She was just the cute drunk

The peak of Liza's relevance was being called a scheming ****ing ***** in an argument between two other people. Homegirl didn't matter.

Referencing a time in which you were patronizing me is not patronizing. Like, you literally told me multiple times that I watch BB wrong and I'm the reason it got cancelled on C4. Me referencing these words does not make you the victim, not at all. And then about me not being able to have a civilized debate or whatever, your bud Lucas (oops I just referenced another forum member How Dare I) is just as guilty if not more of everything you described than I am.

Talla's moments were memorable and some were season-defining. Liza's moments consisted of trying to see the good in Tom and Peter. She's stupid, that's the only possible discussion that could've risen from that.

And Josiah, sorry but in a thread about the HGs of BBCanada, the HGs of BBCanada are going to get discussed. That's what happens in forums, discussions are had.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

The peak of Liza's relevance was being called a scheming ****ing ***** in an argument between two other people. Homegirl didn't matter.

Referencing a time in which you were patronizing me is not patronizing. Like, you literally told me multiple times that I watch BB wrong and I'm the reason it got cancelled on C4. Me referencing these words does not make you the victim, not at all. And then about me not being able to have a civilized debate or whatever, your bud Lucas (oops I just referenced another forum member How Dare I) is just as guilty if not more of everything you described than I am.

Talla's moments were memorable and some were season-defining. Liza's moments consisted of trying to see the good in Tom and Peter. She's stupid, that's the only possible discussion that could've risen from that.

And Josiah, sorry but in a thread about the HGs of BBCanada, the HGs of BBCanada are going to get discussed. That's what happens in forums, discussions are had.

See I give you an opportunity to go 'okay alright, we'll both agree to stop the patronising comments, insults and joker smilies and have civilised debates in future' and you just return with the same kind of thing? I love discussing these things, it's fun and I find it interesting and enjoyable hearing other peoples opinions, but it's spoiled when it has to descend into petty, immature digs at one another. I don't want to have to do that, why can't we just debate without you trying to mock my opinions?

Okay let me make a distinction between what I consider patronising in this instance, because I see the point you've just raised

If you felt patronised by that point I once made then I apologise, but that is somewhat my opinion. I didn't however (at least I don't think) laugh, insult you and make comments like 'LOL you're so stupid hahahaha joker smiley oh look Troy being a moron again hahaha', that kind of thing. And if I did it was in retaliation for you doing it to me. I simply want to have a debate free of this kind of petty playground behaviour, I'm above that. Like, there are plenty of members that share similar opinions to you but I manage to have enjoyable, mature debates with them without having to mock each other's opinions and throw immature digs at each other? And the same goes for other debates I have non-BB related with other members, it doesn't need to descend into a childish argument.

Also actually Lucas is more than capable of having a civilised debate because I've been in one with him before and have read posts of his having one before, he does what he does when he's being insulted and patronised too. But he can address this criticism you've made of him himself

[Jack_]

Sorry Josiah, I'll keep voting too

AJ - 10
Alec - 10
Andrew - 6 (-)
Emmett - 7
Gary - 35
Peter - 17 (+)
Suzette - 27
Talla - 17

[Josiah.]

Um, Jack; look at the post I made above yours.

[MeMyselfAndI]

She played a good enough game to get f2, and her opponent did'nt play a good game, as he got evicted. Therefore she played a better game, It was very similar to BB3 USA, a bitter jury, not voting on the game. Thankfully a mistake was made, and history did not repeat itself