[arista]

Former TV Chef
Antony Worral Thompson
was Conservative, now supports the Brexit Party
as a protest vote.


He is Live on Ch5HD Am

[Withano]

Anti-Brexit parties - those in favour of another referendum - collectively took about 40% of the vote, compared with 35% for the two parties in favour of leaving the EU without a deal.

Sends a pretty clear message

[arista]

Originally Posted by Withano

Sends a pretty clear message

No it does not
if it was clear
Change UK would have at least gained a MEP
instead they are like UKIP
nothing

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Withano

Sends a pretty clear message

European Election Results headlines:
- Brexit Party win with 32% of the vote
- Lib Dems second, ahead of Labour
- Worst Conservative performance ever.
Here's everything you need to know.


This is the only thing sending a clear message....32 percent of the vote......how lon has that party been running for again?.....32 percent of the vote....just let that sink in..

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

European Election Results headlines:
- Brexit Party win with 32% of the vote
- Lib Dems second, ahead of Labour
- Worst Conservative performance ever.
Here's everything you need to know.


This is the only thing sending a clear message....32 percent of the vote......how lon has that party been running for again?.....32 percent of the vote....just let that sink in..

32% of the vote is only meaningful if you fail to consider the fact that the rest of the vote is split across several parties. 32% of the vote means that 68% of the voters did NOT vote for the party offering Hard Brexit. Let that sink in. You can't assume that Labour or Conservative voters are against Brexit, but you can safely assume that most of them are against HARD Brexit, and thus, less than half of voters want a hard brexit. Meaning that it would be thoroughly undemocratic to deliver a hard Brexit.

I'd say we're no further forward really: We know that the UK voted for Brexit, we have a strong indication that people want Brexit WITH a deal and not without one, and we have a government that is failing miserably to deliver a working deal. .

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

You can't assume that Labour or Conservative voters are against Brexit, but you can safely assume that most of them are against HARD Brexit, and thus, less than half of voters want a hard brexit. Meaning that it would be thoroughly undemocratic to deliver a hard Brexit.

Well yes, however, 'the Brexit Party' surely won't see themselves as a long term party? So anything bar getting their own way won't matter to them like it would other parties surely? They wouldn't have to worry about pissing off future voters...as..after Brexit there would BE no future voters if thats all the party is about? (Personally, I think the 'party' is about Farage not losing HIS seat, and his 80k wage, and not much else )

I do think its quite unlikely they will do anywhere near as well in a GE mind. But the chance is there. Do MPs HAVE to vote for the Brexit plan? Or theoretically, could Farage just get there, say **** it, no deal brexit, do it, then leave.

Most of those who voted leave that I know (obviously not that many really) do NOT want no deal. They want to leave, but with trade deals and stuff. It really doesn't seem too popular an option, and, I don't think we can really say that 32% want it just because they voted for Farage. Theres a fair few reasons to vote for him, and it WAS voting for him, not voting for the party..in honesty really.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Do MPs HAVE to vote for the Brexit plan? Or theoretically, could Farage just get there, say **** it, no deal brexit, do it, then leave.

MEP's in Europe have no "real" power to do anything at all... and even if Brexit Party somehow won a General Election, the PM has no executive power to do... well also anything at all... without Parliament backing and certainly not something as big as Brexit. I believe it's already been put into law that Westminster will not trigger a no-deal Brexit from this end without parliament specifically voting for it. The only way we can no-deal is if it gets a majority vote in Parliament, or if we're basically forced out by the EU.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by parmnion

European Election Results headlines:
- Brexit Party win with 32% of the vote
- Lib Dems second, ahead of Labour
- Worst Conservative performance ever.
Here's everything you need to know.


This is the only thing sending a clear message....32 percent of the vote......how lon has that party been running for again?.....32 percent of the vote....just let that sink in..

I know. Much less than the remain parties.

[In the Drunk Tank]

The Tories slogan was literally 'the only party that can deliver Brexit' so it's odd they're not being included in a lot of graphs comparing Leave vs Remain. Fair eenough if you're talking specifically about hard Brexit but even then its looking extremely likely that the next Tory leader will be a hard Brexiteer

In the end there's a lot of selective interpretation of these results going on from both sides but it really doesn't say much about how another referendum would go given the turnout would be double. The country is still divided and that's the only definite conclusion you can make really

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by MTVN

The Tories slogan was literally 'the only party that can deliver Brexit' so it's odd they're not being included in a lot of graphs comparing Leave vs Remain. Fair eenough if you're talking specifically about hard Brexit but even then its looking extremely likely that the next Tory leader will be a hard Brexiteer

In the end there's a lot of selective interpretation of these results going on from both sides but it really doesn't say much about how another referendum would go given the turnout would be double. The country is still divided and that's the only definite conclusion you can make really

Well it's not really being selective.
As if you think all the Conservatives are pro brexit only.
Then that takes the pro brexit votes to 44%.

If you do that, you then cannot discount Labours 14% to suit too.
Most of those voting Labour want a much closer aligned brexit or in the absence of that, no brexit at all.

So the bulk of Labour votes need to be taken as a world away from Farage's and the likes of frontrunners in the Conservative leadership.

So without Labour and Conservative inclusion.
It's as was said, 40% remain Parties.
35% strongly pro brexit Parties.

Add in the other 2 usually main Parties.
You at best are left with probably 52/3% remain Parties. and 47/8 strongly pro brexit Parties.
Had only the Brexit Party and say Lib Dems stood.
That could have been what resulted more than likely.

Speaking for myself, I once said I'd never consider voting Lib Dem again.
However in the scenario I put above.
I'd have voted Lib Dem against the Brexit one for sure.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Withano

I know. Much less than the remain parties.

Indeed Withano, spot on.

Also this is a new party in name only.
With the same leader who took UKIP to top the vote in 2014 and 28 seats.

He's now taken this grouping to top the vote again, supplanting his old UKIP party with 5 more seats.

I cannot bear Farage, he is divisive, loud and bigoted in my view.
He is however a big player in politics particularly on brexit.

All he's done is repeat the level he reached 5 years ago leading UKIP.

32% of the vote is not a majority and his destruction of his other party for his current vehicle.
Has no real votes to hand to him now.

32% plus UKIPs 4%, is a long way from a majority of votes.
If the Brexit position is at 44%.
Including all the Conservative votes too.

No wonder he'd fear and put down any new vote on the issue.

[arista]

The Brexity Party in Scotland
are projected to gain another MEP
making there total to 29

The Brexit Party
came 2nd in Scotland.

[arista]

Change UK and Greens
keep repeating the same word "Broken"

Its not Broken
its the Leaders of the 2 main party's not getting it right

[Nicky91]

ugh brexit victory this has ruined politics in UK, just voting for hopes, dreams and not based on what a party stands for

[arista]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

ugh brexit victory this has ruined politics in UK, just voting for hopes, dreams and not based on what a party stands for

No Nicky
PM May
has single handedly
destroyed the Brexit Exit.

[arista]

[Nicky91]

UK shouldn't have been allowed to vote in these elections anyway, now Farage is only gonna troll in european parliament


hope we EU kicks out UK soon ourselves, like we are afraid of the british scare tactics towards us, we EU have been already bigger than UK (which isn't a empire anymore, but more being laughed at for a long time by EU)

[arista]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

UK shouldn't have been allowed to vote in these elections anyway, now Farage is only gonna troll in european parliament


hope we EU kicks out UK soon ourselves, like we are afraid of the british scare tactics towards us, we EU have been already bigger than UK (which isn't a empire anymore, but more being laughed at for a long time by EU)

But its a Legal problem


Loads of New Elected Le Penn in France also will Troll
It all over your SPLIT EU

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by arista

But its a Legal problem


Loads of Ne Elected Le Penn in France also will Troll
It all over your SPLIT EU

at least Le Pen i agree more with her views than Macron honestly


and comparing Le Pen to your brexit party and farage (brexit party i don't take serious as a political party at all) Le Pen i do take serious, france needs some change, especially when they have those yellow vests protests going on for some time now, against Macron

[Christmas Dynasnow]

what a victorious night for Brexit and Nigel

once again the GBP have spoken in clear tones

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

what a victorious night for Brexit and Nigel

once again the GBP have spoken in clear tones

yeah to vote blindly, unaware of what you vote for

[Christmas Dynasnow]

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Honestly does this image not just completely blow the claims that Scotland and England are in any way politically aligned out of the water . At this point the idea of the "United" Kingdom is just a joke.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Honestly does this image not just completely blow the claims that Scotland and England are in any way politically aligned out of the water . At this point the idea of the "United" Kingdom is just a joke.

That Scotland are going to get shafted because of England, its horrid really.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

That Scotland are going to get shafted because of England, its horrid really.

But Vicky
they are used to it.