[Sticks]

Originally Posted by UserSince2005

You want to be a rusrat so bad. You should sign up. I hear putins missing 40k of his rusrats so I’m sure you will be welcomed

You and bitontheslide Misrepresent my position.

Ghandi once said "An eye for an eye only makes everyone blind"

From my experience, not every bully can be stood up to. Some have to be acquiesced to because they are too powerful and are willing and able to take extreme action.

Putin is one such person, given his KGB connections, which I said from the get go.

There has been a tremendous loss of life as the "plucky" Ukrainians put up a fight. This only aggravated the situation and escalated things. Something, with some people, you do not do. It seems many here have ignored the wisdom of Ghandi, a man who threw off the British and led India to independence, so he must have known what he was talking about.

As for arista near the beginning of this, I am certain that the Ukrainian president did issue the order not to surrender to the troops. I am an amateur historian, so I pointed out that Hitler did the same thing regarding the issuing of orders. That is just historical fact. They may not be the same people, but it seemed that they did exactly the thing, regarding the issuing of orders.

If Zelensky had taken the American offer to leave for the west and the troops surrendered, there may not have been so much bloodshed here.

Violence only breeds more violence.
Ghandi knew that, and his passive non violent ways bore fruit.

[Candy Annie Cane]

Originally Posted by Sticks

You and bitontheslide Misrepresent my position.

Ghandi once said "An eye for an eye only makes everyone blind"

From my experience, not every bully can be stood up to. Some have to be acquiesced to because they are too powerful and are willing and able to take extreme action.

Putin is one such person, given his KGB connections, which I said from the get go.

There has been a tremendous loss of life as the "plucky" Ukrainians put up a fight. This only aggravated the situation and escalated things. Something, with some people, you do not do. It seems many here have ignored the wisdom of Ghandi, a man who threw off the British and led India to independence, so he must have known what he was talking about.

As for arista near the beginning of this, I am certain that the Ukrainian president did issue the order not to surrender to the troops. I am an amateur historian, so I pointed out that Hitler did the same thing regarding the issuing of orders. That is just historical fact. They may not be the same people, but it seemed that they did exactly the thing, regarding the issuing of orders.

If Zelensky had taken the American offer to leave for the west and the troops surrendered, there may not have been so much bloodshed here.

Violence only breeds more violence.
Ghandi knew that, and his passive non violent ways bore fruit.

And had people not fought back against Hitler and Nazi Germany, where would we be today? What are the Ukrainians meant to do? If they had surrendered easily and Putin then turned his attention to other non Nato countries and then eventually the rest of Europe as his troop numbers grow..were they all to surrender too until a New World Order is established and Putin rules all? What kind of world would our children and grandchildren have to look forward to then?

[bots]

Originally Posted by Sticks

The Ukrainian president orders his troops to fight to the death and is not allowing them to surrender.

Hitler did the same thing when it was obvious that Germany was losing the war.

your pro russian stance is becoming tiresome. Maybe you think you are being funny/smart but you are not

He didnt order them to fight to the death, the army said they wanted to fight to the end. It's always an individuals choice in the end. They could dessert like so many thousand russian soldiers

[arista]

Originally Posted by Sticks

The Ukrainian president orders his troops to fight to the death and is not allowing them to surrender.

Hitler did the same thing when it was obvious that Germany was losing the war.

Stupid Comparison,
Zelensky is nothing like Evil Hitler was

[arista]

[Russian shelling and air strikes hit
multiple targets across Ukraine,
officials say
Five missile strikes have been reported
in the western city of Lviv
Five people are reportedly killed and 13 injured
in shelling of the city of Kharkiv
In Mykolaiv, near the port of Odesa,
the governor reports continuous rocket attacks]



From the BBC Live Feed
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-61136997

[bots]

i can see russia dropping a tactical nuke on the steel works at Mariupol. It's difficult to see how else they can defeat the ukranian soldiers there

[arista]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i can see Russia dropping a tactical nuke on the steel works at Mariupol. It's difficult to see how else they can defeat the Ukrainian soldiers there

Yes, it has Tunnels under it
so they can move around alot.
But Russian troops are not in there
as they get shot.

[arista]

[Two captured British fighters are
paraded on Russian TV
and forced to beg Boris Johnson for help]


Aiden Aslin


Shaun Pinner


[Aiden Aslin and Shaun Pinner have appeared
on Russian state television today
Britons were serving in Ukrainian marines
and captured in Mariupol last week
Pair beg Boris Johnson to arrange
a prisoner swap so they can be freed
in return for the release of
Viktor Medvedchuk,
Putin's top political ally in Ukraine
At the same time, Ukraine released
a video of Medvedchuk begging for freedom]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-state-TV.html

[arista]

Terrible the Russian missiles hitting Lviv
not military target
a young boy got glass slicing his hand open

ITV1HD News.

[Zizu]

I thought Ukraine was his limit ?

Supposedly he won’t dare to attack Poland


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

[Candy Annie Cane]

He won't attack Poland initially as they are members if Nato but has threatened escalation if Sweden or Finland want to join Nato. He is not acting like a rational leader so who knows what he could / will do

[arista]

[bots]

its very difficult to know what putin will do after ukraine. He could try for a couple of quick wins against smaller non nato countries, but they have shown quite clearly that they dont have an army equipped/trained to go up against a tech superior and trained nato force. The ukraine army has only been trained for about 8 years by us, but it has shown itself to be a formidable foe to russia. That being said, russia will eventually level ukraine if it keeps going on its current path and that cant be considered a win for anyone

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

its very difficult to know what putin will do after ukraine. He could try for a couple of quick wins against smaller non nato countries, but they have shown quite clearly that they dont have an army equipped/trained to go up against a tech superior and trained nato force. The ukraine army has only been trained for about 8 years by us, but it has shown itself to be a formidable foe to russia. That being said, russia will eventually level ukraine if it keeps going on its current path and that cant be considered a win for anyone

... and the Russian people still have no idea what atrocities their army are committing .

Presumably their soldiers are not allowed to go on leave or contact their families ??


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

[arista]

The Online Paper:

[bots]

the russian people i know, know all about the war, they use vpn.

[arista]

'Surrender or Die'
Russia tells them.

[Russia has claimed it has hit more than
1,200 Ukrainian targets with missiles,
airstrikes and artillery
Russia gave Ukrainian troops a two-hour window
to lay down arms in Mariupol or face being killed
Several cities and towns in eastern Ukraine
were pounded by Russian shelling
and artillery last night
The war in Ukraine has now entered
a new phase as Russia doubles down on
efforts to seize the territories of
Donetsk and Luhansk]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Mariupol.html

[bots]

Lavrov has said they will not use nuclear weapons in ukraine, so that basically means that they will

[arista]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Lavrov has said they will not use nuclear weapons in Ukraine, so that basically means that they will

True no one can trust them.

[arista]

[A man walks near a residential building destroyed
during Ukraine-Russia conflict in
the southern port city of Mariupol,
Ukraine April 17, 2022]

[bots]

Mariupol is almost entirely rubble now

[Sticks]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Mariupol is almost entirely rubble now

Would that have been the case if they had surrendered early on?

[bots]

they dont want to surrender, i thought you would understand that by now

[Sticks]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

they dont want to surrender, i thought you would understand that by now

I get that, just asking what would have been the result if they had.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Sticks

Would that have been the case if they had surrendered early on?

Shocking.