[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

We dont see any bombing from Ireland and the IRA now..

No, we don't.

we didnt bomb them to smithereens, did we!

No, we didn't.

If you understand this, then you already know the answer here?

[Livia]

No terrorist cell in any other country continually fire rockets into a neighbouring country with the intention of killing people. Pre 7th October Hamas would fire hundreds of rockets, sometimes from schools and hospitals. The only reason more Israelis weren't killed was the use of the Iron Dome.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

No terrorist cell in any other country continually fire rockets into a neighbouring country with the intention of killing people. Pre 7th October Hamas would fire hundreds of rockets, sometimes from schools and hospitals. The only reason more Israelis weren't killed was the use of the Iron Dome.

Circumstantial morality isn't morality.

[DemRed]

Originally Posted by Livia

No terrorist cell in any other country continually fire rockets into a neighbouring country with the intention of killing people. Pre 7th October Hamas would fire hundreds of rockets, sometimes from schools and hospitals. The only reason more Israelis weren't killed was the use of the Iron Dome.

And no country apart from Israel, would arm civilians and give them IDF protection whilst they went and raided and confiscated Palestinian homes, land, orchards and sheep on the West Bank. Since the invasion of Gaza, Shin Bet has made a killing moving Palestinians out of their farms.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by DemRed

And no country apart from Israel, would arm civilians and give them IDF protection whilst they went and raided and confiscated Palestinian homes, land, orchards and sheep on the West Bank. Since the invasion of Gaza, Shin Bet has made a killing moving Palestinians out of their farms.

I wonder how much of a killing hamas made on oct 7th when it removed Israeli farmers from their homes.

[DemRed]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I wonder how much of a killing hamas made on oct 7th when it removed Israeli farmers from their homes.

This all started long before Oct 7th.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by DemRed

This all started long before Oct 7th.

It didn't really help tho

Did it..?

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by DemRed

This all started long before Oct 7th.

Yes, many many Palestinian farmers sold their land to the jewish settlers.

[Livia]

Because TS has the answer. Naturally.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

Because TS has the answer. Naturally.

"TS" has the answer? Are you disputing that the troubles were addressed via politics and negotiation rather than through bombing campaigns? It's not me having the answer it's just historical fact. I'm sorry that "We didn't obliterate Belfast" is an inconvenient truth but claiming that it's just "TS's answer " isn't going to change it.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

"TS" has the answer? Are you disputing that the troubles were addressed via politics and negotiation rather than through bombing campaigns? It's not me having the answer it's just historical fact. I'm sorry that "We didn't obliterate Belfast" is an inconvenient truth but claiming that it's just "TS's answer " isn't going to change it.

No, I'm disputing that you have the answers you think you do. Not just to this subject but to every subject.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

No, I'm disputing that you have the answers you think you do. Not just to this subject but to every subject.

Again fundamentally misunderstanding the purpose of a debates forum but carry on Livia this is nothing new - I know you don't like my opinions, I don't care any more than I did yesterday, last month or last year, and you not liking them isn't going to stop me posting them tomorrow any more than it did today. So... enjoy or stick me back on block I guess

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

"TS" has the answer? Are you disputing that the troubles were addressed via politics and negotiation rather than through bombing campaigns? It's not me having the answer it's just historical fact. I'm sorry that "We didn't obliterate Belfast" is an inconvenient truth but claiming that it's just "TS's answer " isn't going to change it.

Yes it worked there, but we've had more than 80 years of trying it in gazza and things have just gotten worse rather than better...I think oct 7th was the final straw for israel..dont you?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Yes it worked there, but we've had more than 80 years of trying it in gazza and things have just gotten worse rather than better...I think oct 7th was the final straw for israel..dont you?

You'd be hard-pressed to convince me that there have been any meaningful attempts at negotiation when it comes to Israel/Palestine -- not with anything other than token concessions from Israel or the West. It's also true though that there aren't many opportunities for diplomatic solutions that Palestinians would accept either.

But that's how these things go, it takes the right people on the right day, none of it changes the simple fact that ultimately the haphazard destruction of Gaza is going to make Israel less safe in the Middle East, not more safe, and will in the longer term cause a surge in terrorist activity, not a reduction. To put it in the simplest terms - parents whose kids school got bombed will strap bombs to their chests. Kids who saw their parents blown apart at 5 years old will be waving a gun by 15. That's ALWAYS been the case, it's woven into the very basics of what terrorism and extremism is at the very core.

I think Oct 7th was the final straw for Israel but I also thing it was a go-for-broke from Hamas. They knew what the response would be. They obviously also know they cannot actually go to war with the IDF. So why do you think they did it?

[Parmy]

Pleasure TS, pure pleasure. Why else would you cut of children's hands to take home, to show everyone how brave you were?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Pleasure TS, pure pleasure. Why else would you cut of children's hands to take home, to show everyone how brave you were?

Inherent evil doesn't exist and yet people gleefully commit evil acts - the fact that some of the terrorists take pleasure in committing atrocities is a separate issue. You'll find examples of cruelty and pleasure in killing in every army in the world, the real difference is only that a terrorist organisation is not an organised military and thus there's no real command structure or process of discipline to keep that (somewhat) in check. What do you think would happen if, during an armed conflict, the US command structure suddenly said "Actually you know what troops? Do whatever the hell you want, no consequences ".

Human nature hasn't changed throughout history and it certainly doesn't differ by region.

[Parmy]

You specifically asked about hamas, and I gave you a reason why they would do it..I would also argue Hamas's a military, as it has battalions and leaders etc..

[arista]

Yes LT

they must buy it from Hamas

[Christmas Dynasnow]

BBC’s Gaza coverage has sunk to new lows

Impartiality breaches have occurred so often at its Arabic channel that they almost look deliberate


The BBC’s royal charter sets out five “public purposes”, the very first of which is a commitment to impartiality. Yet the Israel-Hamas war has seen the BBC fail to deliver on this crucial test on more occasions than can be explained away as “errors” or bad luck.

A source of repeated issues over impartiality is BBC Arabic. Since the October 7 terrorist attacks on Israel, BBC Arabic has been forced to make 80 corrections to its reporting. Something is going badly wrong. Mistakes don’t happen 80 times.
The failures of impartiality have included BBC reporters describing Hamas terrorists as “the resistance”, as well as labelling attacks which targeted and killed civilians as “resistance operations”. It’s the language you would hear from a Hamas spokesman.

The corporation was forced to remove an episode of the BBC Arabic programme Trending, which questioned whether the Kfar Aza kibbutz massacre on October 7 actually happened. This plays into an anti-Semitic conspiracy theory that seeks to undermine the terrible truth of what happened that day. How was a video of that nature produced and distributed by the BBC in the first place? How is it possible that editorial standards at BBC Arabic had fallen so low that this was seen as legitimate reporting?

There is plenty more. Last month a BBC Arabic presenter asked an Egyptian guest to apologise for expressing sympathy for Israel. One BBC Arabic journalist interviewed a Palestinian woman about her life amid the conflict but decided it was not relevant to ask her directly about the time she stabbed an Israeli neighbour in front of her children.

There is no sign that this blatant lack of impartiality at BBC Arabic will be dealt with any time soon by senior management. Yet this is not even the worst of it. The BBC continues to employ people who actually celebrated the October 7 terrorist attacks.

Sally Nabil, a BBC Arabic correspondent, “liked” a number of tweets which appeared to legitimise the targeting of Jewish civilians, including tweets which called the October 7 atrocities “a morning of hope”. She also “liked” a comment on a video which showed footage of jeeps loaded with Jewish bodies and kidnapped civilians. Ms Nabil is still employed by the BBC.

Another BBC Arabic journalist, Sanaa Khouri, reposted and liked tweets appearing to support the massacres, including one about celebratory sweets being distributed in Lebanon in its aftermath. The Beirut-based correspondent also tweeted in the wake of the attacks: “Israel’s prestige is crying in the corner”. Some BBC employees have even gone as far as mocking civilians who were kidnapped by Hamas. BBC executive producer Mahmoud Sheleib took part in a Twitter conversation shortly after October 7 in which he appeared to joke about a woman whose grandmother was abducted by the terrorist group.

The BBC is employing people who celebrated the worst massacre of Jewish people since the Holocaust. This means that our licence fees are paying the wages of people who celebrated the rape and slaughter of men, women and children. How can this be possible? Why should we accept it? If any other publicly funded organisation supported terrorist sympathisers, the outcry would be enormous. Yet the BBC seems to be impervious to its problems, unwilling to recognise and address the management failures that are poisoning one of Britain’s great institutions.

When breaches of impartiality are so egregious that they extend to the exaltation of a massacre, something has gone very wrong with the public broadcaster. But these scandals are made so much worse when the organisation fails to deal effectively with the problem.

Indeed, far from publicly recognising the scale of this issue, the BBC has gone out of its way to support and endorse its Arabic service. Director-general Tim Davie has recently stated his admiration for BBC Arabic, saying that the service was something “we should be very proud of”.

On taking the role of director-general, Davie chose to put impartiality at the heart of his tenure, describing it as his “number one priority”. Given the actions of BBC Arabic over the past seven months, it now seems clear that, unfortunately, he has failed in his mission in the most shameful way possible.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...-impartiality/

[Christmas Dynasnow]

" Hamas welcomes move by Spain, Ireland and Norway to recognize Palestinian
statehood - 'an important step on the path of affirming our right to our land
and independent Palestinian state with Jerusalem as its capital'


https://x.com/i24NEWS_EN/status/1793207030896795653

[Cherry Christmas]

The families of the 3 female conscript soldiers who were abducted on 7th October have released the full video of their abduction, not seen it and not sure I would want to

[The Slim Reaper]

[bots]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

" Hamas welcomes move by Spain, Ireland and Norway to recognize Palestinian
statehood - 'an important step on the path of affirming our right to our land
and independent Palestinian state with Jerusalem as its capital'


https://x.com/i24NEWS_EN/status/1793207030896795653

ao i guess spain won't mind if Gibraltar makes Madrid it's capital

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

ao i guess spain won't mind if Gibraltar makes Madrid it's capital

I'm sure you know that this situation isn't even vaguely comparable?

The United Kingdom’s position on the status of Jerusalem is clear and long-standing: it should be determined in a negotiated settlement between the Israelis and the Palestinians. The final determination of Jerusalem must ensure that the holy city is a shared capital of Israel and a Palestinian state

https://www.gov.uk/government/speech...-long-standing

I shall await someone coming along to tell me that gov.uk is a bad source of woke news fakery

[Christmas Dynasnow]

UPDATE: I just finished an extended world exclusive interview with Israel’s President, Isaac Herzog
It will premiere on our ⁦
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