[Cherry Christmas]

They say Hancock could be bankrupted if senior civil servants sue him for breach of confidentiality

[arista]

The Lockdown saved lives
in my view

Before the vaccine

[bots]

many of us on here at the time pointed out that they were making mask wearing compulsory when there was zero evidence that they worked. It was pretty obvious when they said make your own that it was a scam

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

many of us on here at the time pointed out that they were making mask wearing compulsory when there was zero evidence that they worked. It was pretty obvious when they said make your own that it was a scam

Didn't wearing the masks stop you from spreading Covid to other people though?

[bots]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Didn't wearing the masks stop you from spreading Covid to other people though?

Also, wear it to protect others should be seen as a red flag, because that conveniently means you have no possible method of verifying if it works or not

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Also, wear it to protect others should be seen as a red flag, because that conveniently means you have no possible method of verifying if it works or not

Fair point.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Britain’s second lockdown was based on ‘very wrong’ Covid data, Boris Johnson
feared

Boris Johnson was worried that he had “blinked too soon” in plunging Britain
into a second national lockdown on the basis of data that scientists had
warned him was “very wrong”.

The then prime minister made the observation on Nov 1, 2020 – a day after
he had announced a lockdown to come into force on Nov 4. Despite his fears,
the lockdown went ahead and lasted for a month.

In another exchange, he appeared to express a desire to lift the country out
of lockdown earlier than planned, but said his media advisers – Lee Cain and
James Slack – warned him that such a move was “too far ahead of public
opinion”.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...-data-hancock/

top comment: What an absolute car crash. People with an anti lockdown view
at the time were called murderers, now we discover the then PM shared that
view. I’m so glad all this is coming out - the anti lockdown argument is now
being proved to be completely credible. None of it was based on science, and
the modelling was clearly wrong. And what people are forgetting is, we’ll be
paying the price, financially, economically, and mentally, for the next hundred
years, by which time there’ll be another pandemic, because that’s how they
tend to work !

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Hand washing and wiping surfaces like supermarket trolleys did work


Masks did not

Youtube video

[Christmas Dynasnow]

SIR – Amid all the much-deserved criticism of Matt Hancock and others now
that there is blood in the water, the essential truths about our response to the
Covid pandemic are in danger of being missed again.


Lockdowns, masks and all the rest of the Covid hysteria did little or no good,
and vast and continuing harm.

So by all means go after the power-crazed individuals who got their 15 minutes
of fame, but what we really need is an assurance that this crazy, nonsense-
based approach to an infectious disease with a very low mortality rate among
healthy people will never, ever be allowed to happen again.


Dr Stephan Larsson
Onslow Mountain, Nova Scotia, Canada

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[arista]

[bots]

After congratulating the then education secretary Sir Gavin Williamson on delaying A-level exams for a few weeks - a shorter period than some teaching unions called for - Mr Hancock had some choice words.

On 1 October 2020, Mr Hancock messaged Sir Gavin: "Cracking announcement today. What a bunch of absolute arses the teaching unions are."

Sir Gavin replied: "I know they really really do just hate work."

In response, Mr Hancock returned two laughing out loud and a bullseye emoji

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Mr Hancock texted his old boss George Osborne, ex-chancellor and then-Evening Standard editor, on 28 April 2020 to "call in a favour" asking for a favourable front page, as he tried to reach his own deadline to reach 100,000 daily Covid tests.

Mr Osborne replied: "Yes - of course - all you need to do tomorrow is give some exclusive words to the Standard and I'll tell the team to splash it."

After replying with a quote, Hancock later writes in capital letters: "I WANT TO HIT MY TARGET!"

The editor answered bluntly: "I gathered."

In another interaction, on 9 November 2020 Mr Hancock asked for an explanation about Mr Osborne calling for Boris Johnson to make testing his number one priority and insisted: "OK but mass testing is going very well."

"No-one thinks testing is going well, Matt," Mr Osborne replied.


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Sir Gavin, messaging Mr Hancock, on 10 May 2020 ahead of schools reopening, asked for the health secretary's help in getting personal protective equipment (PPE) for schools "as a last resort so they can't use it as a reason not to open".

The education secretary texted: "All of them will [open] but some will just want to say they can't so they have an excuse to avoid having to teach, what joys!!!"

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Boris Johnson had misgivings about the government's shielding advice in discussions with the chief medical officer Prof Sir Chris Whitty. In August 2020 the then-prime minister suggested that if renewed lockdown restrictions were needed over-65s be offered a choice on shielding.

Mr Johnson, addressing Sir Chris in a WhatsApp group on 9 August, said: "If you are over 65 your risk of dying from Covid is probably as big as your risk of falling down stairs. And we don't stop older people from using stairs. What do you think?"

Sir Chris conceded that he "would think twice before shielding unless it threatened the NHS". Chief scientific adviser Sir Patrick Vallance replied: "We haven't found shielding easy or very effective first time round."

Only a few days previously, shielding had ended for more than two million clinically vulnerable people in England, Scotland and Wales. Since March 2020 they had been advised to stay at home to avoid contracting Covid. Shielding later returned.

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Helen Whately, who was social care minister at the time, travelled 50 miles to a Covid test centre so a relative could be tested in September 2020, according to the Telegraph. There were restricted numbers of home testing kits and the public had to book a slot at a testing centre, where they could swab themselves and it would be sent to a laboratory.

Speaking of the experience on 19 September, she messaged Mr Hancock: "So my mystery shopping shows the system is definitely working, at least for some."

Mr Hancock enthusiastically replied "for MOST!", despite UK labs struggling to keep up with demand and people being asked to travel hundreds of miles to get tested.

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One set of messages shows Boris Johnson getting in a muddle over statistics.

He flagged a Financial Times article stating the global case fatality rate had fallen below 0.04. Mr Johnson wanted to know why the British death rate appeared to be much higher at 4%.

Chief scientific officer Sir Patrick, chief medical officer Sir Chris, aide Dominic Cummings, Cabinet Secretary Simon Case and Mr Hancock all chipped in.

When Mr Vallance eventually pointed out the FT figure is a probability, not a percentage, the PM replied "Eh" followed by another message reading simply "?".

He offers "five marks" to whoever can explain the difference and asks them to "show working" - before Mr Cummings assures him it is a "common confusion".

In the same exchange, Mr Johnson says he "knows what I would prefer" if he was 80 and given a choice between exposure to Covid-19 and "destroying the economy".

[arista]

SkyNews Text:
[The latest from Matt Hancock's leaked
WhatsApp messages - Mr Hancock's battle with
Rishi Sunak over COVID rules is
Saturday's instalment.]

[Cherry Christmas]

Some of these messages are insane ...

[Zizu]

I haven’t been following this closely at all because.. I don’t care … BUT if Hancock has given access to his personal WhatsApp to a journalist ( or anyone) then he’s not fit to hold ANY position of responsibility


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[arista]

Originally Posted by Zizu

I haven’t been following this closely at all because.. I don’t care … BUT if Hancock has given access to his personal WhatsApp to a journalist ( or anyone) then he’s not fit to hold ANY position of responsibility

But when he gave that Lady
his WhatsApp load,
it was for his book
Which is now Bollocks

As now
all the Telegraph Papers
are giving the Real Time Data Free
if you buy the paper.

[bots]

what the messages show is that those mp's are not fit to be in government, it's really that simple

[arista]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

what the messages show is that those mp's are not fit to be in government, it's really that simple

They say at the time,
they were under pressure

As China's Covid was Killing millions
around the world



Of Course,
arresting a couple Ladies
on a Country Walk
was wrong
As they were in open country
not mixing on a tube train.

[arista]

[arista]

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by arista

[arista]

Yes Matt
she can help you with your
pathetic book.

And NO
NDA
on those luscious WhatsApp messages


Life In The Fast Lane

[Cherry Christmas]

Sucker for a pretty face I am afraid

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Sucker for a pretty face I am afraid

Sadly I think that’s just a bloke thing ( our kryptonite ?)


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[bots]

the problem with Hancock is that he believes his own BS