[Raph]

Liam you have Tyler I want Cody

[Lostie!]

I'm sticking with Wren for now.

I just hope it's not someone who'd be really disappointing for me like CeCe, or supposedly-dead characters we've never even properly met like Bethany or Marion.

[Dollface]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

Um, back off. Youwansum?

(I certainly wansum of Wren. ).

Oh yes I wansum

[Dollface]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

I'm sticking with Wren for now.

I just hope it's not someone who'd be really disappointing for me like CeCe, or supposedly-dead characters we've never even properly met like Bethany or Marion.

Me too, I've had a feeling for a while that Wren may be A so i'm going to stick with that for now (i bloody hope it's Wren )

[Smithy]

Honestly, i'm 100% convinced it's Cece now, it just seems so obvious

Marlene said on twitter a couple of days ago that we've seen Big A in a black hoody, so far we've seen Cece be revealed; as Red Coat, a Black Hoody and the White Coat at the ball, she's been nearly every reveal and



if she thought she was Ali and the first thing (the only thing that we saw) she said to her was

"I did everything you told me to do"

Which at that point would have been Alisons advice on being cool, which she followed

Mona told everything to Cece when she was in radley which is how A knows everything, when she came back to Rosewood at xmas Alison filled her in on everything that was going on, which, once again is how A is one step ahead

Cece has the motive, the resources, the knowledge and Grunwald even said something about Alison being betrayed by someone close to her, who else but her supposed best friend that she confides everything in?

[Dollface]

I think CeCe would be too obvious though, it wouldn't be a shocking reveal

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Dollface

I think CeCe would be too obvious though, it wouldn't be a shocking reveal

Exactly how I feel. CeCe's been in the frame too much for me to be satisfied by it being her. I have a bad feeling it will be CeCe, though.

I mean, I'm all for CeCe being involved and assisting whoever A is, I just don't want her to be the main A.

Speaking of Red Coat, I hope we get proper clarification on her. Alison was revealed as one, CeCe was apparently revealed as one but then we found out she was only Red Coat that one time in Ravenswood to help Alison, what about the one who's been sneaking around being all shady and evil? Was that Alison, or is there another Red Coat? And is she the same person as the woman in the veil?

[Smithy]

Cece has been so obvious that people have completely stopped looking at her as a suspect, which would make it shocking, atm anyone could be revealed as A and because this show has been so long winded and drawn out, it wouldn't be a massive surprise because at one point or another everyone has been as suspect

Both Cece and Alison were redcoat, Alison asked Cece to go around in a red coat to try and distract A, because she too went out in a red coat, obviously Cece being A meant that she wasn't being thrown off track by anything and it just meant she could watch Alison more closely without Alison thinking she was in danger, Cece was the redcoat that visited Mona in Radley, and i'm guessing she was also the one who dug up "Alison's" grave in the S3 premiere

Both Alison and Cece were at the lodge in the S3 finale when it burnt down, Alison pulled Hanna out and i'm guessing Cece the other girls (because she hadn't finished torturing them) Cece lost her red coat in the fire and was wearing an Ali mask when she pulled the girls out so that they wouldn't see who she really was, which also explains why in the S4 premier the Alison mask worn by black veil/widow at Wildens funeral was burnt

Spoiler:

Hope that cleared it up for you

[LukeB]

watching season 1 on netflix

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Raph

Liam you have Tyler I want Cody

I will fight you for Cody, back off

[LukeB]

my favourite charmed character is in PLL

[Smithy]

Also, the other spoilers for S5 finale

Spoiler:

Ali is ruled guilty and the liars are all arrested as accessories for the murder, I guess because they lied about her being kidnapped? On their way to jail (without Ali),

A hijacks their vehicle and knocks them out. They wake up in this life-sized dollhouse where Mona is pretending to be Ali. When she gets the chance, Mona explains that A has been keeping her here, forcing her to play out these scenarios. She's wearing an Ali mask, a wig, and the shirt Ali was wearing the day she "died"

A controls them by locking them in their rooms at certain times and playing a really annoying alarm when A is mad. So they all play along but Spencer and Mona mastermind this way to turn off the electricity and they try to run away but at the end of the episode, you see they're fenced in.

The police find the shed, which is part of the A lair, because Caleb does some hacking magic with the cameras that caught the liars being kidnapped and helps the police follow the car's most recent whereabouts. Caleb and Ezra get arrows shot at them. And also, archery is brought up in court when Ali's lawyer is trying to prove that Ali wasn't strong enough to toss Mona around.

The liars think they know the gender. They end up in A's "dollhouse" where there are alphabet blocks arranged in an anagram for "Charles." So naturally, Spencer assumes A is named Charles. So they think they know it's a man."

whatever's in the barrell is too decomposed to confirm anything. Just one in a series of disappointing non-reveals this season."

[LukeB]

Spencer and Hanna

[LukeB]

Wren

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Cece has been so obvious that people have completely stopped looking at her as a suspect, which would make it shocking, atm anyone could be revealed as A and because this show has been so long winded and drawn out, it wouldn't be a massive surprise because at one point or another everyone has been as suspect

Both Cece and Alison were redcoat, Alison asked Cece to go around in a red coat to try and distract A, because she too went out in a red coat, obviously Cece being A meant that she wasn't being thrown off track by anything and it just meant she could watch Alison more closely without Alison thinking she was in danger, Cece was the redcoat that visited Mona in Radley, and i'm guessing she was also the one who dug up "Alison's" grave in the S3 premiere

Both Alison and Cece were at the lodge in the S3 finale when it burnt down, Alison pulled Hanna out and i'm guessing Cece the other girls (because she hadn't finished torturing them) Cece lost her red coat in the fire and was wearing an Ali mask when she pulled the girls out so that they wouldn't see who she really was, which also explains why in the S4 premier the Alison mask worn by black veil/widow at Wildens funeral was burnt

Spoiler:

Hope that cleared it up for you

One of my main issues with CeCe being A is that we'd never even met her until 7 episodes into Season 3, when this second A had already been terrorising the girls for 6 episodes already. I want it to be someone we already knew from as early as the Season 3 premiere.

It's like when they introduced the mystery of someone pulling Alison out of the ground in the Season 3 finale, then next season revealed it to be someone we weren't even introduced to until Season 4. That kind of stuff really irritates me in mysteries.

[LukeB]

Because I already know Alison is not really dead. I got theories of what really happened to Alison..

I believe Jenna/Toby are sending those texts and they got Alison kidnapped and used someone elses body so everyone thinks it's Alison's because they're trying to mess with the girls for revenge

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

One of my main issues with CeCe being A is that we'd never even met her until 7 episodes into Season 3, when this second A had already been terrorising the girls for 6 episodes already. I want it to be someone we already knew from as early as the Season 3 premiere.

It's like when they introduced the mystery of someone pulling Alison out of the ground in the Season 3 finale, then next season revealed it to be someone we weren't even introduced to until Season 4. That kind of stuff really irritates me in mysteries.

I don't think it matters too much tbh, seeing as the girls all had history and the motive is there on cece's part, if this was shown at the beginning of S3E1 it would have made it really obvious, "new girl character/oh they got that girl kicked out of college/New A" the fact they didn't is quite good tbh

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Smithy

I don't think it matters too much tbh, seeing as the girls all had history and the motive is there on cece's part, if this was shown at the beginning of S3E1 it would have made it really obvious, "new girl character/oh they got that girl kicked out of college/New A" the fact they didn't is quite good tbh

It's all down to personal preference, I guess. I personally feel underwhelmed if the perpetrator in a mystery story wasn't officially introduced to the audience earlier on.

Still, I'd take CeCe over a completely new character we still haven't met.

[Dollface]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

It's all down to personal preference, I guess. I personally feel underwhelmed if the perpetrator in a mystery story wasn't officially introduced to the audience earlier on.

Still, I'd take CeCe over a completely new character we still haven't met.

Completely agree

I think it'd be cool if Wren and CeCe were secretly romantically involved and working together as A

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

It's all down to personal preference, I guess. I personally feel underwhelmed if the perpetrator in a mystery story wasn't officially introduced to the audience earlier on.

Still, I'd take CeCe over a completely new character we still haven't met.

Originally Posted by Dollface

Completely agree

I think it'd be cool if Wren and CeCe were secretly romantically involved and working together as A

Surely you'd rather have an A who (albeit was introduced a bit late) makes complete sense. She has a vendetta against the girls whereas the rest of the suspects..

Toby? No
Aria? No
Bethany? No
Melissa? No
Wren? No

It would be a bit of a middle finger to the viewer, just to make someone else A, just to 1) Shock viewers 2) have someone who'd been in it for longer

[Natalie.]

I kinda wanna finish season 4 and 5 but then I'll have to wait for season 6 When does season 6 start?

[Smithy]

June probably, still a Season 7 to come after that tho

[Dollface]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Surely you'd rather have an A who (albeit was introduced a bit late) makes complete sense. She has a vendetta against the girls whereas the rest of the suspects..

Toby? No
Aria? No
Bethany? No
Melissa? No
Wren? No

It would be a bit of a middle finger to the viewer, just to make someone else A, just to 1) Shock viewers 2) have someone who'd been in it for longer

I wouldn't mind if CeCe was involved but because she's such an obvious suspect i think it'd be better if she was working with someone (the head A) like Wren or Melissa
It's unlikely Wren is A but Melissa has plenty of motive

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Surely you'd rather have an A who (albeit was introduced a bit late) makes complete sense. She has a vendetta against the girls whereas the rest of the suspects..

Toby? No
Aria? No
Bethany? No
Melissa? No
Wren? No

It would be a bit of a middle finger to the viewer, just to make someone else A, just to 1) Shock viewers 2) have someone who'd been in it for longer

I don't see how we can write certain people off as having no motives yet, though. As I've said, I've read a few Wren theories that make a lot of sense to me, with his possible motive surrounding Bethany. It's probably not going to come to pass, but I think it's interesting to think about.

CeCe being A will be disappointing for me, partly because of her late introduction and partly because they've spent so much time making her look blatantly shady already. I really enjoy her as a character and have no problem with her being involved, but as the main A? I'd definitely be underwhelmed.

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Dollface

I wouldn't mind if CeCe was involved but because she's such an obvious suspect i think it'd be better if she was working with someone (the head A) like Wren or Melissa
It's unlikely Wren is A but Melissa has plenty of motive

Originally Posted by Lostie!

I don't see how we can write certain people off as having no motives yet, though. As I've said, I've read a few Wren theories that make a lot of sense to me, with his possible motive surrounding Bethany. It's probably not going to come to pass, but I think it's interesting to think about.

CeCe being A will be disappointing for me, partly because of her late introduction and partly because they've spent so much time making her look blatantly shady already. I really enjoy her as a character and have no problem with her being involved, but as the main A? I'd definitely be underwhelmed.

But like i said before, they've made everyone look shady at one point or another, so much so that the show's been diluted down so that everyone is now a suspect and if revealed as A there's always gonna be some people saying "Oh well it was obvious"

Also dollface what would you say would be Melissa's motive against the other girls? Fair enough i could potentially understand her being against Spencer and Ali but why Aria/Em/Hanna?

And i don't get how you can be unhappy about Cece being A but would be happy with wren because of a relationship with bethany, a character who hasn't been introduced until season 5 (ep 100!!!)

(this might sound like I'm being really aggressive I'm not I'm just really convinced now that it's cece )