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Kazanne · 23-11-2015, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

Kaz what this guy is writing about is based on historical evidence from centuries of research that pre date christianity. All of these Gods were born on the 25th of December, many from a virgin birth with lots of other similar traits to what christianity is today. More importantly they all were here long before christianity.
TBH If i had written it then you make a fair point Kaz.
But i didn't write it. Historians did

It's still doesn't make it fact Johnny, people have their own beliefs (or not) nothing will change that, who's to say those historians didn't fabricate and add bits here and there,lol

Johnnyuk123 · 23-11-2015, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Kazanne

It's still doesn't make it fact Johnny, people have their own beliefs (or not) nothing will change that, who's to say those historians didn't fabricate and add bits here and there,lol

His post is based on historical facts Kaz. He simply gathered those facts and reposted them onto his own website. They are facts regardless of anyone choosing to believe in them or not, they are still historical facts.

Crimson Dynamo · 23-11-2015, 05:35 PM

Mummy i saw an advert saying praying works. If we pray for granny will her cancer go away?

No darling

Well what is it for?

Er

Well

Go ask you dad

Kazanne · 23-11-2015, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Mummy i saw an advert saying praying works. If we pray for granny will her cancer go away?

No darling

Well what is it for?

Er

Well

Go ask you dad

Maybe praying doesn't work for heathens LT.

Kazanne · 23-11-2015, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

His post is based on historical facts Kaz. He simply gathered those facts and reposted them onto his own website. They are facts regardless of anyone choosing to believe in them or not, they are still historical facts.

Different strokes for different folks I guess Johnny,I'm gonna buy LT an Easter egg and see if he eats it

Johnnyuk123 · 23-11-2015, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Kazanne

Different strokes for different folks I guess Johnny,I'm gonna buy LT an Easter egg and see if he eats it

See if you can find one shaped like a cross like this for LT.

Kazanne · 23-11-2015, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

See if you can find one shaped like a cross like this for LT.

nice one,but I'm mortally offended

kirklancaster · 23-11-2015, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Kazanne

It's still doesn't make it fact Johnny, people have their own beliefs (or not) nothing will change that, who's to say those historians didn't fabricate and add bits here and there,lol

I wrote several long posts on this very subject a while back Kaz but I cannot be arsed looking for it TBH.

kirklancaster · 23-11-2015, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Mummy i saw an advert saying praying works. If we pray for granny will her cancer go away?

No darling

Well what is it for?

Er

Well

Go ask you dad

I know one like that:

"Dad, where are the Alps"?

"Ask yer mam - she puts everything away".

Kazanne · 23-11-2015, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I wrote several long posts on this very subject a while back Kaz but I cannot be arsed looking for it TBH.

It IS a long thread , but a good one ,I've enjoyed it,I just hope LT doesn't shoot the Easter Bunny

DemolitionRed · 23-11-2015, 07:10 PM

I was listening to an interview on the radio at work this afternoon and although I don't consider myself a Christian, I found myself agreeing with the person who was pro the advert.

For those who need to keep stating that religion isn't real, that its just a fable, you need to understand that Christianity is a very real thing for those who practice this faith. To try and convince them otherwise is disrespectful.

We can argue that Christmas is a Pagan festival but that's by the by. If you are Pagan and Christmas day is one of your Pagan festivals that's great. If you are a Christian and Christmas day is one of your Christian festivals, that's great too and if you're an atheist, agnostic, or other religion that just wants to join in the festivities with no thought about what the day represents, then nobody is going to knock you for it.

As for the advert, the more I think about it the more I believe it should be allowed and even praised. Christmas has been hijacked. If everyone else can advertise to the consumer to buy, buy, buy for Christmas, why on earth would we object to the Christian church, the very thing Christmas was born from, not be able to advertise ?

Johnnyuk123 · 23-11-2015, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Kazanne

It IS a long thread , but a good one ,I've enjoyed it,I just hope LT doesn't shoot the Easter Bunny

Agreed!

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Kazanne · 23-11-2015, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I was listening to an interview on the radio at work this afternoon and although I don't consider myself a Christian, I found myself agreeing with the person who was pro the advert.

For those who need to keep stating that religion isn't real, that its just a fable, you need to understand that Christianity is a very real thing for those who practice this faith. To try and convince them otherwise is disrespectful.

We can argue that Christmas is a Pagan festival but that's by the by. If you are Pagan and Christmas day is one of your Pagan festivals that's great. If you are a Christian and Christmas day is one of your Christian festivals, that's great too and if you're an atheist, agnostic, or other religion that just wants to join in the festivities with no thought about what the day represents, then nobody is going to knock you for it.

As for the advert, the more I think about it the more I believe it should be allowed and even praised. Christmas has been hijacked. If everyone else can advertise to the consumer to buy, buy, buy for Christmas, why on earth would we object to the Christian church, the very thing Christmas was born from, not be able to advertise ?

kirklancaster · 23-11-2015, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I was listening to an interview on the radio at work this afternoon and although I don't consider myself a Christian, I found myself agreeing with the person who was pro the advert.

For those who need to keep stating that religion isn't real, that its just a fable, you need to understand that Christianity is a very real thing for those who practice this faith. To try and convince them otherwise is disrespectful.

We can argue that Christmas is a Pagan festival but that's by the by. If you are Pagan and Christmas day is one of your Pagan festivals that's great. If you are a Christian and Christmas day is one of your Christian festivals, that's great too and if you're an atheist, agnostic, or other religion that just wants to join in the festivities with no thought about what the day represents, then nobody is going to knock you for it.

As for the advert, the more I think about it the more I believe it should be allowed and even praised. Christmas has been hijacked. If everyone else can advertise to the consumer to buy, buy, buy for Christmas, why on earth would we object to the Christian church, the very thing Christmas was born from, not be able to advertise ?

What a fantastically argued post.

Kazanne · 23-11-2015, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

Agreed!

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Love that Johnny,I'm nicking it

Johnnyuk123 · 23-11-2015, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Kazanne

Love that Johnny,I'm nicking it

I made it for you. Thought you might like it.

Vicky. · 23-11-2015, 07:30 PM

OK first time I heard the news report on this..can't believe the reason given is actually 'incase it offends non-Christians'?!

I always thought bollocks like that was fake

Johnnyuk123 · 23-11-2015, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I was listening to an interview on the radio at work this afternoon and although I don't consider myself a Christian, I found myself agreeing with the person who was pro the advert.

For those who need to keep stating that religion isn't real, that its just a fable, you need to understand that Christianity is a very real thing for those who practice this faith. To try and convince them otherwise is disrespectful.

We can argue that Christmas is a Pagan festival but that's by the by. If you are Pagan and Christmas day is one of your Pagan festivals that's great. If you are a Christian and Christmas day is one of your Christian festivals, that's great too and if you're an atheist, agnostic, or other religion that just wants to join in the festivities with no thought about what the day represents, then nobody is going to knock you for it.

As for the advert, the more I think about it the more I believe it should be allowed and even praised. Christmas has been hijacked. If everyone else can advertise to the consumer to buy, buy, buy for Christmas, why on earth would we object to the Christian church, the very thing Christmas was born from, not be able to advertise ?

This is not true and certainly not a fact. Christianity did not celebrate Christmas for centuries, in fact they were totally against it for centuries. The date Jesus was born has still not been indentified. The nearest date they have to this birth date is september or october. Why am i saying this...Sheperds in that region always kept their cattle indoors during the winter months. There is a passage in the bible that mentions cattle out door whilst talking about the birth of Jesus. Many people agree (none believers and believers) that his birth, if he did exist, would fall months before december and NOT on the exact same day as dozens of other gods before him. So Christmas was NOT born from Christianity. The rest of your post is interesting, i agree with everyone just enjoying the holiday for what it is, a holiday to spend time with your family and loved ones.

Cherie · 23-11-2015, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I was listening to an interview on the radio at work this afternoon and although I don't consider myself a Christian, I found myself agreeing with the person who was pro the advert.

For those who need to keep stating that religion isn't real, that its just a fable, you need to understand that Christianity is a very real thing for those who practice this faith. To try and convince them otherwise is disrespectful.

We can argue that Christmas is a Pagan festival but that's by the by. If you are Pagan and Christmas day is one of your Pagan festivals that's great. If you are a Christian and Christmas day is one of your Christian festivals, that's great too and if you're an atheist, agnostic, or other religion that just wants to join in the festivities with no thought about what the day represents, then nobody is going to knock you for it.

As for the advert, the more I think about it the more I believe it should be allowed and even praised. Christmas has been hijacked. If everyone else can advertise to the consumer to buy, buy, buy for Christmas, why on earth would we object to the Christian church, the very thing Christmas was born from, not be able to advertise ?

I heard that argument as well and it's very valid

Cherie · 23-11-2015, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky.

OK first time I heard the news report on this..can't believe the reason given is actually 'incase it offends non-Christians'?!

I always thought bollocks like that was fake

Tbf it seems the non believers are making more of a fuss than any one of faith

Vicky. · 23-11-2015, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherie

Tbf it seems the non believers are making more of a fuss than any one of faith

I consider myself an athiest. I just find the whole thing stupid. Don't see why its caused so much of a fuss, but also don't understand why its banned in the first place. And have NEVER heard the 'incase its offensive' argument actually being used..as I said I thought that was just britain first/bnp rubbish...like the england flags being banned and such

Cherie · 23-11-2015, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky.

I consider myself an athiest. I just find the whole thing stupid. Don't see why its caused so much of a fuss, but also don't understand why its banned in the first place. And have NEVER heard the 'incase its offensive' argument actually being used..as I said I thought that was just britain first/bnp rubbish...like the england flags being banned and such

On this thread people have said they would walk out if it were aired so offence is real

Vicky. · 23-11-2015, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherie

On this thread people have said they would walk out if it were aired so offence is real

Faux outrage..I doubt anyone would really walk out over this. Probably wouldn't even register what it was til it finished, then they could have a bit of a foam to themselves. Its just because a fuss has been made