[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

It didn't matter who they gave the picture to in all honesty though does it? You know as well as I do, they could have only given it to Royals Weekly (I know there isn't such a thing but you catch my drift?). The tabloids would have got hold of it and crucified them for not giving it to the British press. By providing it themselves, they have fulfilled their perceived obligation in providing the British public with the news of the pregnancy without a pap shot of Meghan's belly coupled woth speculation.

They said they wanted privacy to live their lives the way they want, releasing what they want. They never asked for media blackout. The press will run with what they want and as we discussed at the beginning of this thread, they don't really care about legal action so there is no way they will ever get all the privacy they crave but they have the right to launch legal action if they believe a line has been crossed

The tabloids chose to run it....they weren't obliged to but they do because they know Meghan and Harry = sales

so why give a pic taken by a pro?

on valentines day

same day as diana

oh wait..

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...regardless of debate etc it does have to be proven when saying someone lied
because it’s a character damaging statement that could potentially be viewed as libellous...and open to that being laid...and it’s a good thing that there is protection against that for all of us so that someone would have to prove their words and statements..it’s not giving an opinion or any type of debate or saying ‘in my opinion’ or ‘I think that’ or ‘read that’ or whatever... it’s stating that someone is a liar and actually lied and of course that would always have to be proven because it’s being written as fact in public...

Yes.

Thinking something is different from knowing.
So facts claimed require substantiation.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...you mean that you have enough money to know what payment actually is...?...if only...

It's Annie's publication, and I got a freebie. Says a lot that she asked you to pay though. Just sayin'

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

so why give a pic taken by a pro?

on valentines day

same day as diana

oh wait..

The same day as Harry's mum announced her pregnancy with Harry? Pretty cute nod to his mum in my opinion. It's no secret that Harry adored his mum....quite the tribute announcing the pregnancy of his second child the way she did.

I'd rather give a pic taken by a pro than announce it and wait for a long range pap pic when I'm not looking my best. Surely that's common sense?

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

It's Annie's publication, and I got a freebie. Says a lot that she asked you to pay though. Just sayin'

...I think that’s probably because I paid my last debt...and the one before...and the one before...and the one before....just saying’...she’s too wise to spend any time or request for what’s never going to happen, that’s our Annie...

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

The same day as Harry's mum announced her pregnancy with Harry? Pretty cute nod to his mum in my opinion. It's no secret that Harry adored his mum....quite the tribute announcing the pregnancy of his second child the way she did.

I'd rather give a pic taken by a pro than announce it and wait for a long range pap pic when I'm not looking my best. Surely that's common sense?

nah

privacy

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Yes.

...yeah I was surprised about it also still having to be quantified if saying ‘in my opinion’ etc, Joey...rather than a statement of fact....if it’s a negative/character damaging, type thing...and it apparently applies with things like WhatsApp as well and similar...our legal eagle Joey....

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

nah

privacy

Nah? That all you got

They are now Celebs not Royals....they have no.protocol to bind them Can you not see that by releasing a picture they have possibly maintained their privacy....we've seen the bump so pap pics are not the hot commodity now.

Now, if you excuse me....I have this week's Royals Weekly to edit....

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...maybe you will feel safe but that really isn’t any justification for posting any potentially character damaging words...actually, I just googled and with those type of words, even with the presence of ‘my opinion’ or ‘I think’ or etc...it would still be open for libel being laid against...it’s fine that you say that you’re happy because that’s your own choice..but it doesn’t make what anyone else has requested in hoping for proof ...any less correct in expecting and hoping for that proof for those words, however they’re phrased...

If you said something and I called you a liar between you and I that's different

If I said nothing to you personally, or in addition to saying you're a liar then I repeat that to others.
That's tantamount to slander.

If I put that you are a liar in print and in public, and have done this or that presenting it as fact.
When you haven't.
Then that would be tantamount to libel.

If I say I think, or possibly or maybe you've lied or done something.
Then I'm not presenting it as a fact.
Which would not be wrong.

Things in tabloids are wrong.
After all the Duchess has just won a case against a tabloid.
Which I further congratulate her on.

The Daily Mail no less, which has often been used as anti Meghan so called facts on here even.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Nah? That all you got

They are now Celebs not Royals....they have no.protocol to bind them Can you not see that by releasing a picture they have possibly maintained their privacy....we've seen the bump so pap pics are not the hot commodity now.

Now, if you excuse me....I have this week's Royals Weekly to edit....

Literally subscribing as I type...

[Cherie]

We all need Royal Weekly in our lives so we can keep up

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

If you said something and I called you a liar between you and I that's different

If I said nothing to you personally, or in addition to saying you're a liar then I repeat that to others.
That's tantamount to slander.

If I put that you are a liar in print and in public, and have done this or that presenting it as fact.
When you haven't.
Then that would be tantamount to libel.

If I say I think, or possibly or maybe you've lied or done something.
Then I'm not presenting it as a fact.
Which would not be wrong.

Things in tabloids are wrong.
After all the Duchess has just won a case against a tabloid.
Which I further congratulate her on.

The Daily Mail no less, which has often been used as anti Meghan so called facts on here even.

...which is why it’s on the onus of proof to be given..?...in this internet age especially and so much stuff about celebrities etc, it’s an obvious safeguard and a good thing for that to be the way, I feel...thank you, Joey......

[AnnieK]

I've sat here tearing my hair out on furlough all these months and could have had a fabulous, high brow publication whizzing out from my kitchen

This time next year Rodney......

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

I've sat here tearing my hair out on furlough all these months and could have had a fabulous, high brow publication whizzing out from my kitchen

This time next year Rodney......

...Annie’s Royal Podcast...

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...which is why it’s on the onus of proof to be given..?...in this internet age especially and so much stuff about celebrities etc, it’s an obvious safeguard and a good thing for that to be the way, I feel...thank you, Joey......

Yes it is.

If anyone's accusing anyone else of lying or doing wrong, yes the onus is on the accuser to present substantiated proof not opinionated presentation.

The anonymity on social media however is really worrying.
Lives can be ruined by it.
By anonymous individuals throwing out accusations with at present, no comeback.

Of course it should be the duty of all social media owners of any setting really.
To set standards of ensuring opinion only, doesn't override production of solid substantiated proof of singular or multiple accusations.

Then again however, look at the gutter actions of the tabloids too.
It's like a pack mentality once someone becomes a target.
As the Duchess of Sussex is to said tabloids.
As well as areas of social media too.
Very sadly.

[jet]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Yes it is.

If anyone's accusing anyone else of lying or doing wrong, yes the onus is on the accuser to present substantiated proof not opinionated presentation.

The anonymity on social media however is really worrying.
Lives can be ruined by it.
By anonymous individuals throwing out accusations with at present, no comeback.

Of course it should be the duty of all social media owners of any setting really.
To set standards of ensuring opinion only, doesn't override production of solid substantiated proof of singular or multiple accusations.

Then again however, look at the gutter actions of the tabloids too.
It's like a pack mentality once someone becomes a target.
As the Duchess of Sussex is to said tabloids.
As well as areas of social media too.
Very sadly.

The items I read were by respected royal commentators, not anonymous individuals. Regarding the law, Meghan could have had comeback if they were lies and she wanted to. She could sue, right?

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by jet

The items I read were by respected royal commentators, not anonymous individuals. Regarding the law, Meghan could have had comeback if they were lies and she wanted to. She could sue, right?

I think Joey is speaking more about the trolls.on social media to be fair Jet....not the articles you have quoted. He is talking more generically about info on the internet

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

He doesn’t have to prove anything....they are his facts and if people don’t want to believe it then it’s up to them...goading and ridiculing is all they can do in response. We were all having a decent chat on here until certain people join the thread...

They are his opinions, facts are facts and if he can't back it up then it's not a fact.

Making at that he is being attacked by people asking him to back up his claims in a debate thread is foolish.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

They are his opinions, facts are facts and if he can't back it up then it's not a fact.

Making at that he is being attacked by people asking him to back up his claims in a debate thread is foolish.

Correct, they are my opinions gleaned from reading respected royal commentators and experts views or what they have reported as fact. I am under no obligation to go back and spend time finding articles which I could have already posted or given links to going back over the last year and which people pretend they haven't seen or don't read. People are free to do their own research. Yet never do.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Cherie

We all need Royal Weekly in our lives so we can keep up

We have Jet

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by jet

Correct, they are my opinions gleaned from reading respected royal commentators and experts views or what they have reported as fact. I am under no obligation to go back and spend time finding articles which I could have already posted or given links to going back over the last year and which people pretend they haven't seen or don't read. People are free to do their own research. Yet never do.

You can’t because they’re daily Mail articles

[thesheriff443]

If you want lay down at Meghan and Harry’s feet and shower them with affection and hold them in god like regards that’s fine

If people want to see them as a pair of preaching hypocrites interested in their own gain while claiming to be healing the world that’s also fine.

Every one is entitled to their own opinions without the need to know them on a personal level.

There is a clear devide when it comes to Meghan and Harry and no one is going to change their minds

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

I think Joey is speaking more about the trolls.on social media to be fair Jet....not the articles you have quoted. He is talking more generically about info on the internet

Yes I was Annie, thank you.

I thought that was pretty clear.
Hence it being under my paragraph on social media with anonymous individuals throwing out accusations.

I'm not aware of anonymous individuals writing articles in tabloids.
Then again, I never read the gutter trash tabloids anyway so wouldn't know.
Although I'm sure even the tabloids would want to have the identity of anyone they used accusations from, even if they didn't reveal same for a time.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

If you want lay down at Meghan and Harry’s feet and shower them with affection and hold them in god like regards that’s fine

If people want to see them as a pair of preaching hypocrites interested in their own gain while claiming to be healing the world that’s also fine.

Every one is entitled to their own opinions without the need to know them on a personal level.

There is a clear devide when it comes to Meghan and Harry and no one is going to change their minds

[jet]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

If you want lay down at Meghan and Harry’s feet and shower them with affection and hold them in god like regards that’s fine

If people want to see them as a pair of preaching hypocrites interested in their own gain while claiming to be healing the world that’s also fine.

Every one is entitled to their own opinions without the need to know them on a personal level.

There is a clear devide when it comes to Meghan and Harry and no one is going to change their minds